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View Poll Results: Which method is best for first time use?
Oral DMT powder + MAOI 27 19.71%
Smoking DMT powder 62 45.26%
It depends on the individual / Not sure 48 35.04%
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Old 23-12-2009, 19:20
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First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

For those nootrops out there that have tried DMT in both methods (orally with an MAOI, and smoking) which one would you suggest should be done first?

Which method did you try first?

Which method do you think you would have preferred to try first?
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Old 23-12-2009, 19:29
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

swim would smoke a threshold dosage to make a bowl more interesting, test waters, and gauge its potency on swim. DMT is a short acting experience when smoked, where-as eating it with an MAOI would be a prolonged experience... short sounds better to swim in terms of testing the waters, but the extended experience may be interesting later.

-also there are the dietary rules which must be followed a week before taking an MAOI, during, and after. not following them can result in hypotensive crisis, and even death. use caution, swim safe

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

swim has never tried oral, but swims first time was smoked, but it really depends on the person, really intense shit.

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

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swim would smoke a threshold dosage to make a bowl more interesting, test waters, and gauge its potency on swim. DMT is a short acting experience when smoked, where-as eating it with an MAOI would be a prolonged experience... short sounds better to swim in terms of testing the waters, but the extended experience may be interesting later.
Which method did your pet noot try first?

The problem with DMT is that, from what I have read, there is a fine line between a threshold dose when it comes to smoking it. One amount may being on a psychedelic trance while a little bit more will blow one's psyche out of this world.

I ask on behalf of a friend of mine who is looking to try it and is unsure of which method to go with first.

He thinks that perhaps an oral dose will give him time to play around in the altered state... but of course he doesn't want to spend a few lifetimes in the DMT world either.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

SWIM would recommend smoking first, that is what he did. If one is careful and starts at small doses it should be easy to avoid being completely blown out of the water until that is the goal. The main reason though is that it is very short acting, so if SWIY gets into a situation they are uncomfortable with they wont be stuck there. SWIM would recommend saving the oral until familiar with DMT so SWIY wont be freaked out and stuck for long periods of time. It will probably take a few low doses of smoking to become used to it though because it is so short. It took SWIM a little while to move past the 'what the hell was that?' stage
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

I don't believe in working one's way up when it comes to tryptamines.
The differences between small and immersive doses aren't just of intensity, they are completely different experiences.
My friend started with Aya and he's glad he did, because he feels that the vaporized freebase experience was much more assimilable - but then he'll never know will he?
At any rate, he prefers Aya to freebase because he is much more able to work with the experience rather than just being blown away.
Freebase seems incomplete compared to Aya, and that goes for using pure glass shard freebase instead of tea for oral dosing too.

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

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SWIM would recommend smoking first, that is what he did. If one is careful and starts at small doses it should be easy to avoid being completely blown out of the water until that is the goal. The main reason though is that it is very short acting, so if SWIY gets into a situation they are uncomfortable with they wont be stuck there.
Has your friend consumed DMT orally and ever found them self in an uncomfortable situation?

What dose was used?

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My friend started with Aya and he's glad he did, because he feels that the vaporized freebase experience was much more assimilable - but then he'll never know will he?
Excellent descriptive word choice, assimilable, but it is used in this context with a positive or negative connotation?

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At any rate, he prefers Aya to freebase because he is much more able to work with the experience rather than just being blown away.
Freebase seems incomplete compared to Aya, and that goes for using pure glass shard freebase instead of tea for oral dosing too.
This is what my pet noot suspects, that an oral dose will give him room to play around. He just wants to make sure the dose is appropriate. What dose did your friend use, of the crystallized DMT in Aya?

Also, please elaborate on the notion of freebase DMT in Aya being 'incomlete', if possible. He is intrigued.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

Swim thinks that smoking dmt for the first timer would be best, because of its duration and dosing is a bit easier in that swiy could just take another toke to boost if looking for more intenisty. with Oral dmt, it lasts longer, is much harder to find a good dose (for swim he's taken it about 5 times at the same doses but had radically different experiences each time, but who knows maybe its just swim). Oh and for the uninitiated, violent nausea and projectile vomit could be a bit of a turn off.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

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Oh and for the uninitiated, violent nausea and projectile vomit could be a bit of a turn off.
Is this in regards to Ayahuasca, or consuming extracted DMT orally?
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

smoking for the first few times is way best to get use to it. as it does not last to long. and after efects make you feel realy good fit and healthy for a good few hours and get good sleep. swim would like to try oral but doze and duration is a little scary as dpt was to much for swim in some respects.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

Thanks for everyone who provided input so far.

If anyone could contribute more information on the qualitative differences between
smoking dmt and consuming ayahuasca or "pharmahuasca" (as dmt extract + MAOI has been called)
it would be much appreciated. I ask because he is not sure what he is looking for in this experience.
It will be his first time trying DMT.

For example;

What insights did you gain or experiences did you enjoy from your method of consumption?
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

Swim smoked it first and enjoyed it but yesturday swim did his First Pharmahuasca Trip. It was only 50mg DMT so Swim didnt trip as strong as he was aiming for but still got a lot out of it. the 50mg + MAOI was much more enjoyable then smoking it in swims opinion.

Swim thinks 50 isnt enough for a proper trip though so He is going to up it to 70-80mg next time.

CoryInJapan added 1 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...

Oh and the trip was mild enough for anyswiy wanting to try it.

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Swim smoked it first and enjoyed it but yesturday swim did his First Pharmahuasca Trip. It was only 50mg DMT so Swim didnt trip as strong as he was aiming for but still got a lot out of it. the 50mg + MAOI was much more enjoyable then smoking it in swims opinion.

Swim thinks 50 isnt enough for a proper trip though so He is going to up it to 70-80mg next time.

CoryInJapan added 1 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...

Oh and the trip was mild enough for anyswiy wanting to try it.
Thanks for adding dose information. Some people say that 50mg is just right, I guess others say it wasn't quite enough.
What MAOI did Cory use, and what was the dose of the MAOI?
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

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Thanks for adding dose information. Some people say that 50mg is just right, I guess others say it wasn't quite enough.
What MAOI did Cory use, and what was the dose of the MAOI?
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Swim got no nuasea except when feeling the DMT body effect heavily and walking around.

Swim smoked a Jay 10 minutes after taking the Rue.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

remember for some people maoi's can be a riskey thing to take with sertain illness, causing more problems.

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

After looking into the answer to this question some more, I believe the question is what kind of experience he is looking for.

He is under the impression that oral DMT could rival a psychedelic trip from mushrooms or LSD but qualitatively different. Smoked DMT will be unlike anything he has experience before, except perhaps salvia.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

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After looking into the answer to this question some more, I believe the question is what kind of experience he is looking for.

He is under the impression that oral DMT could rival a psychedelic trip from mushrooms or LSD but qualitatively different. Smoked DMT will be unlike anything he has experience before, except perhaps salvia.

Even then Salvia as no similaritys exce[t for the fact they both come on very rapidly within the first minute and last around the same amount of time except DMT seems to last a little longer on its after effects.

If Swiy isnt scared to commit to the trip and want a mellower but still intense trip longer in duration similar ro shrooms duration then Eating would be ordeal.

If not sure about commiting then have swiy try a small smoked dose first.Something like 10-25mg would be fine for the first time.

10 would be enough to get the feel and 20-25 would be enough to get some OBE feelings/stronger CEV's/OEV's

Be careful and if swiy eats it make sure to watch out for the foods ur not supposed to eat.
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[h3]FOODS TO AVOID[/h3]
Alcoholic beverages Avoid Chianti wine and vermouth.
Consumption of red, white, and port wine in quantities less than 120 mL present little risk (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
Beer and ale should also be avoided (McCabe, 1986), however other investigators feel major domestic (US) brands of beer is safe in small quantities ( cup or less than 120 mL) (Anon, 1989; Da Prada, 1988), but imported beer should not be consumed unless a specific brand is known to be safe.
Whiskey and liqueurs such as Drambuie and Chartreuse have caused reactions.
Nonalcoholic beverages (alcohol-free beer and wines) may contain tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Stockley, 1993).

Banana peels A single case report implicates a banana as the causative agent, which involved the consumption of whole stewed green banana, including the peel. Ripe banana pulp contains 7 g/gram of tyramine compared to a peel which contains 65 g/gram and 700 g of tyramine and dopamine, respectively (McCabe, 1986).

Bean curd Fermented bean curd, fermented soya bean, soya bean pastes contain a significant amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).

Broad (fava) bean pods These beans contain dopa, not tyramine, which is metabolized to dopamine and may cause a pressor reaction and therefore should not be eaten particularly if overripe (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).

Cheese Tyramine content cannot be predicted based on appearance, flavor, or variety and therefore should be avoided.
Cream cheese and cottage cheese have no detectable level of tyramine (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989, Brown & Bryant, 1988).

Fish Fresh fish (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986) and vacuum-packed pickled fish or caviar contain only small amounts of tyramine and are safe if consumed promptly or refrigerated for short periods; longer storage may be dangerous (Anon, 1989).
Smoked, fermented, pickled (Herring) and otherwise aged fish, meat, or any spoiled food may contain high levels of tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).

Ginseng Some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).

Protein extracts Three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 g/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
Avoid liquid and powdered protein dietary supplements (Anon, 1989).

Meat nonfresh or liver
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Sausage, bologna, pepperoni and salami contain large amounts of tyramine (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
No detectable tyramine levels were identified in country cured ham (McCabe, 1986).

Sauerkraut Tyramine content has varied from 20 to 95 g/gram and should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).

Shrimp paste Contain a large amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).

Soups Should be avoided as protein extracts may be present; miso soup is prepared from fermented bean curd and contain tyramine in large amounts and should not be consumed (Anon, 1989).

Yeast Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are spread on bread or mixed with water,
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Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

smoking DMT is for kids too afraid to dive into the 3 hour ayahuasca experience.
just kidding just kidding!

i dont think it really matters which you do first. just pick a path and hit the road, dont look back. ill pose a more interesting question, for me at least:

if one could only experience oral DMT or smoked DMT, which should swim choose?

and to that answer i would undoubtedly suggest oral dmt. for swim, its difficult to integrate smoked DMT experiences. its just so otherworldly and out there. now, im not saying there is anything inherently superior about being able to integrate an experience, swim likes to embrace the chaos of the smoked experience and experience the art of the divine and the unknown, even if swim cant sort it all out. however, for practical purposes relating to our earthly and mortal lives as humans, the ayahuasca experience is far more rewarding and redeemable. one is able to stretch the 1000 lightyear a nanosecond speed of the smoked experience into a few hours, and it makes it easier to flow with the spirit, to relate your reality to its intricacies.

it is comparable to other (psuedo)tryptamines like mushrooms and lsd, but still so different in a way that swim cant explain. but if you have done other psychedelics the oral experience wont feel too foreign. the smoked one might! do them both! bask in the madness!

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

^^ I agree with the usefulness of the few hours in, but it's really about what you are looking for. With the few hours at hand you have time to find and build a home in hyperspace and explore your earthly life in so many more aspects. During the trip the same things might appear many times but in a different phase of the trip, which gives a deeper perspective. It may be more subtle onset, too, and with good preparation and centering before the trip you have time to tip your toes into the water before the effects are full-blown. After the effects have gained enough momentum or when you feel comfortable, you may choose to lay down and begin the journey.

Regarding the comparison to other psychedelics, it is generally sharper and more intense. The effects seem to have a very high-pitched vibrational quality to them. The near-death experience on DMT can be accompanied with the feeling of your body-image(an image of the position of the body in your mind) tuning from the frequency of the atom to a higher frequency, hence the feeling of leaving your body, consciousness escaping the material. If you resist, it can feel like the discord shatters the atoms forcibly apart. But the peace that comes almost always after the trip fades away is that of being able to fall asleep or into trance by feeling the high frequency of atoms. It is accompanied by the ability to listen to the silence very intensely without getting distracted.

Some find it easier to fall asleep than others. SWIM found it hard initially, but later it became a feeling like returning to home. Instead of the dream you may also experience complex forms and rooms you are going in and out of, a contact with extraterrestrial intelligence if you are inclined to finding one, OBE's or plainly seeing the environment you are in with the third eye, sensing the moment's pure 'suchness'(most propably eyes opened) or seeing complex visuals(swim rarely get's these, in fact most of the time he only get's the mental trip).

In case of a bad trip doing something rhythmic seems to be especially effective. Humming a low sound may ease you into the trip. You could also simply watch your breathing to convince yourself that you are still alive and help you relax eventually.

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

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Swim thinks that smoking dmt for the first timer would be best, because of its duration and dosing is a bit easier in that swiy could just take another toke to boost if looking for more intenisty. with Oral dmt, it lasts longer, is much harder to find a good dose (for swim he's taken it about 5 times at the same doses but had radically different experiences each time, but who knows maybe its just swim). Oh and for the uninitiated, violent nausea and projectile vomit could be a bit of a turn off.

SWIM would recommend smoking also, SWIM has never eaten DMT, but the reason for that is duration and nausea. Be prepared though, it made SWIM feel like he was blasted out of a cannon. The duration of smoked DMT for SWIM was short, maybe 15 min back to baseline with a little glow for an hour or so. Threshold doses of smoked DMT are much less jolting, but still interesting, know your substance, know your body. Start out small and work up, SWIY doesn't want to be blasted off to elf land and not be expecting it...

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

@corryinjapan is the list of food and drink for just dmt? or for aya & dmt with a maoi's? as swim know surtain things are to be avoided with aya because of the chemicals contained within the plants one would make the tea from. also with maoi's some things are best avoided. but do not no of any problems with just pure dmt? thanks if able to exsplain as swim has done dmt a few times no after years of looking but never been worryed about what to eat or drink, plus swim takes lots of med's so far not had a problem but best to be safe than sorry.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

The wiki on MAOI's gives some good information on the topic.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

like swim thought then it is them that cause the issue. which is what they thought. seeing as they can cause people problems any-way like swim mentioned before. but thanks for link.
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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

SWIM tried DMT one time and orally consumed it. It had been extracted from mushrooms and put into lightning bolt shaped chocolates. SWIM had the worst 8 hours (felt like years) of his life. SWIM will never do any hallucinogen ever again.

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Re: First time use of DMT - smoke it or eat it?

DMT doesn't come from mushrooms. You had mushrooms, they were more likely then not, ground up, not extracted.

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