4-ACO vs. 4-HO

[GDxCAT]

I have tried 4 ho dipt and 4 ho mipt. I enjoyed both very much.

I am wondering if it is worth trying the acetoxy. I know that the
acetoxy is more stable, the trip lasts longer and it is less potent,
but are there any subjective differences in the trips?



Anyone out there that has tried both want to help me out?



...cat

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[Toltec]

Originally Posted by GDxCAT

I have tried 4 ho dipt and 4 ho mipt. I enjoyed both very much.
I am wondering if it is worth trying the acetoxy. I know that the acetoxy is more stable, the trip lasts longer and it is less potent, but are there any subjective differences in the trips?

Anyone out there that has tried both want to help me out?

...cat

My friend tried Both; 4-ho-mipt @ 18mg's and 4-aco-mipt @ 18mgs! He says that the aco was alot more visual and euphoric then the ho.


cheers

[glogga]

With regards to the 4-xx-dipt's and 4-xx-mipt's in both cases I find the 4-aco to be smoother, more visual, and more clear headed. I most definitely prefer 4-aco's, even though the potency is reduced. 4-aco-dmt sounds real interesting.

[Sick Jack]

Originally Posted by glogga

4-aco-dmt sounds real interesting.

isn't this psilocybin ???

[nanobrain]

no, that's the 4-ho, afaik.

[prospero]

Surely 4-HO-DMT is psilocin; psilocybin is 4-phosphoryloxy-DMT. 4-ACO-DMT has, to my knowledge, never been synthesised.

[Toltec]

Doesn't 4-ho-dmtbreakdown or convert into psilocybin/ And that is the reason why it is not synthesized/available. Would that be the case for 4-aco-dmt too? I sure hope not. My understanding is that ACO is more stable.


can someone corect me if im wrong.


thanksEdited by: Toltec

[Jaw Clenching]

Originally Posted by Toltec

Doesn't 4-ho-dmtbreakdown or convert
into psilocybin/ And that is the reason why it is not
synthesized/available. Would that be the case for 4-aco-dmt too? I sure
hope not. My understanding is that ACO is more stable.


can someone corect me if im wrong.


thanks

4-HO-DMT is psilocin. It's possible that psilocybin (4-PO-DMT) is converted into psilocin in the body.



The 4-HO, 4-AcO, and 4-PO versions of tryptamines are all similar but
enter the bloodstream and brain at different rates giving slightly
different effects.

[Solidly-here]

4-AcO-Mipt . . . something pretty good.


For the last couple years, I have been using 4-AcO-DiPT (and its cousin the 4-HO-DiPT). The AcO version is softer, more Fun, and lasts a little shorter (which is good; RCs last 12 hours on me).


About 3 weeks ago, I got my first shipment of new RCs since the DEA closed downthe US suppliers. I am happy to be a Gold Forum member.A week later, I tried 4-Aco-MiPT for the First time. It came on quickly (the usual 17 minutes). Then I just forgot that it was MiPT (I kept telling myself I was Tripping on 4-AcO-DiPT).


At 2 hours, I noticed that I was feeling even happier than usual. I was feeling a sizzling ++ (usually I am buzzing at +++). I was able to relax my mind. The music was deeper and richer. A smile was burned into my mouth. I drove a couple hours. I was riveted to my driving. It was like the car was steering itself (as it sometimes does), but this went on for 15 minutes at a time. At 5 hours, I remembered that I had taken the MiPT. I laughed and laughed. Wow! This stuff is Real good. I am Ready for Fun.


I spent the next 3 hours with some Relatives. I was so happy, that they all acted quasi-human (instead of like Morticians). As I was talking, my voice became richer, and clearer than usual. Each time I asked a Question, they were giving me full answers (instead of one-word answers, like usual). The ride home was light and airy. At about 10 hours, the Trip faded away; it felt like snowflakes falling. Over the next 30 minutes, I got to + a couple times (for a few seconds), and then right back to my wonderful afterglow.


This 4-AcO-MiPT is a Hot one for me. It's a mood elevator. I usually feel pretty good, but this Trip was another level of elevation. I haven't taken it again ... YET, but I will soon. A few days ago I took another 4-HO-DiPT Trip. It was just the same as usual. So the MiPT was the difference; it is a new Fun toy for me.


My rating: 4-HO-DiPT = B- ... 4-AcO-Dipt = B ... 4-AcO-Mipt = A- ... LSD = A+Edited by: Solidly-here

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good post, thanks for your description!

[Nagognog2]

Next time, lose the car keys!! Of all the irresponsible, pinheaded things to do - driving about on a RC is up there on the top of my list. May vandals pour sugar in the gas tank.

[GDxCAT]

i agree that driving while tripping should be out of the question.

But to play devils advocate, it didnt seem like he took a full dose anyways since he was able to interact fine with family.

I know on my heavy miprocin trips, talking in general is pretty much out of the question.

[JewishNazi]

in what dose range of miprocin do you consider to bea 'heavy' trip for you?

[Solidly-here]

Different People handle RCs in Different Ways.


My Dose was a Heavy dose (but to me, just a Regular dose). I took 22 MG of 4-AcO-MiPT. I read a lot about it, here and elsewhere, and it seemed quite like my "usual" stuff; it IS like the DiPT form.


I have taken 4-HO-DiPT many times (at least once a week for years), with a few weeks off. I use it as fuel for Concentration. With this RC-boost, I am able to get absorbed into what I am doing (working, sharing, playing, driving, singing). I filter-out the hallucinations, unless I WANT to have one: OK, wall, start breathing.


As for talking with Family, the night before I wrote down things I wanted to talk about. That MiPT day was mostly asking those questions, and relating incidents. I placed my Concentration on my Voice. As I said before: "my voice became richer, and clearer than usual. Each time I asked a Question, they were giving me full answers (instead of one-word answers, like usual)."


Driving is a matter of holding it together. With practice, I can pretend to be a good driver. In reality, my play-acting becomes good, careful, driving. And my Trip becomes a driving Trip.


If I ever felt I wasn't driving safely, I would have just let my Mom drive for a while (or, for the rest of the way). She was perfectly happy to be on the Freeway with me (and RCs). She trusts me, and I trust me.Edited by: Solidly-here