Side effects - Physical Troubles from RC Use

[Niteflights]

One side effect SWIM has noticed increasing after over a decade of conservative use is allergies. SWIM never experienced them before, but when on a good dose of most any RC these days it is not uncommon for SWIM to experience very itchy eyes.

The other common side effect SWIM occasionally experience is after the effect fades are stomach cramps/gastrointestinal discomfort. It's almost as if some of the substances put the digestive system into overdrive, which combined with the empty stomach leads to this.

Cheers,
Niteflights

[London_Bloke]

Originally Posted by Niteflights

....... are stomach cramps/gastrointestinal discomfort. It's almost as if some of the substances put the digestive system into overdrive, which combined with the empty stomach leads to this.

EXACTLY!!!!!

(SWIM thought it was limited to her hamster. It's as if everything south of the duodenum goes into hyper-drive digesting..... nothing.)

[Each Hit]

has your hamster tried eating a light meal about an hour or two prior to dosing? my turtle did, and he seemed to have less gastric complications than usual. he has only tried this once, though (he always wanted an empty stomach to improve onset speed)...

[Phentulvor]

SWIM always gets tightness in his thighs and lower legs on every phen and tryp he has done, and he has done many. SWIM would say the worst two are 5-Meo-AMT and 2c-t2, an example from both. I would say this is due to the fact that well tripping on these drugs some people (Including SWIM) sort of lose control over their mucles and they seem to default to tense instead of relax. If you concentrate you can relax them however, or try taking a hot bath. The muscle tension is especially in the legs from SWIMS experience. I would say don't worry about it that much!

[Elian_NWA]

SWIM tends to have painful feelings in his toes when on any psychedelic, dont know why this is.
2-C-T-2 at 70mg made every part of SWIM's body feel like it was dying
other than that, swim has felt pretty much "safe" as far as RC's go other than stomach discomfort

[acolon_5]

For SWIM all the 2C's (and 2C-T's) give him horribly thick mucous, and tons of it, at any dose. The higher the dose (15+espically) the more there is clenching, grinding of teeth, and bowel problems. 4-HO-Dipt has given SWIM alot of stimulation. After a few months of doing 2C's on a bi-monthly basis, SWIM has noticed visual disturbances on a regular basis.

[Mezza]

SWIM has dealt with a mild headache the evening after dosing ~50mg 2CD (20mg sublingual) (SWIM rarely gets headaches). 4-Aco-Dipt gave SWIM a pain in his ankle, but SWIM had also been sitting indian style for ~2 hours without even noticing it so he's written it off to the psychedelic amplifying the pain of a limb falling asleep.

All in all, most of SWIMs RC experiences have been very positive, but SWIM also goes to great lengths to build up dosages very slowly from threshold, keeps in good physical health and eats all his vegetables

Mezza

[Cuberun]

swim reports no physical troubles after going through about 4grams of methylone in perhaps a timeperiod of 2 months +-. At heaviest he had a 2 week period where methylone was used on 4 occassions. When he decided to take a break it took about 4-5 days to completely recover emotionally. He's now 100% back and functional for normal day to day stuff and will be very satisfied with sobriety for some considerable time. All in all he's learnt a lot about the substance and feels that he knows how to optimize usage of substance for himself.

should be noted that swim does weight and cardio training so he's in good physical condition.

[Mezza]

SWIM would rather use very cautious guesswork when dosing than to trust his @ss to a cheap scale that may be seriously inaccurate. And unless someone's lab rat uses RC's on a *regular* basis, a scale accurate to the nearest 1mg may not be worth the money.

I'd reckon that a cheap scale combined with cautous guesswork would be much more reliable than guesswork alone....

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Mezza

I'd reckon that a cheap scale combined with cautous guesswork would be much more reliable than guesswork alone....

A cheap scale measuring to the low mg's without some ridiculous amount of inaccuracy seems doubtful, but who knows. There's also the method of dissolving a water-soluble substance in dh2o and using ml/mg conversion... all it takes is a free oral syringe from the nearest pharmacy.

[Mezza]

A cheap scale measuring to the low mg's without some ridiculous amount of inaccuracy seems doubtful, but who knows. There's also the method of dissolving a water-soluble substance in dh2o and using ml/mg conversion... all it takes is a free oral syringe from the nearest pharmacy.

Define cheap though...I picked up a Tanita 1210 on Ebay for $100. That's a cheap scale, but decently accurate to 2mg. For any potent compound, SWIM will use the scale to measure out an appreciable quantity, then dissolve in liquid to make the dose that much more precise.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Mezza

Define cheap though...I picked up a Tanita 1210 on Ebay for $100. That's a cheap scale, but decently accurate to 2mg.

Yep, that's cheap... and SWIM can't afford one right now. In fact he can barely afford to spend 20% of that on anything the rest of this month. Money's gone.

[Mezza]

Yep, that's cheap... and SWIM can't afford one right now. In fact he can barely afford to spend 20% of that on anything the rest of this month. Money's gone.

You know your stuff Nicaine, so I wont even bother with the consesending "if you can afford the compounds you can afford the scale" speech. Just be safe bro

Mezza

[snapper]

Nicaine -get your monkey a scale that is accurate to .1 or .01 gram accuracy when you have a little extra cash - you can get a small pocket balance for about $20.00. Then you can weigh big amounts with some accuracy and then dilute with water or alcohol and dose by volume or eyeball from there if appropriate. SWIM did that with no problems for years before getting a good quality mg scale. Too much information is never a bad thing.
As far as a scale deceiving you, this can happen, but if you use your eye and common sense, it is pretty easy to tell if it is off. There's a report on Erowid somewhere about someone misweighing 225 mg of 5meoDALT as 25 mg and taking the whole thing. How this individual did not notice the difference between the two is incomprehensible. Good thing 5meoDALT is very short acting and apparently reasonably safe.
Keep in mind that other compounds (ie- mdpv) are very dose sensitive and very low dose making for a small margin of error.

[Nicaine]

SWIM may never buy another RC again (he hates psychedelics), so chances are slim he's getting a scale, particularly a useless .1 or .01 gram scale. He doesn't know why he bothered posting anything about it, as that *is* all he's getting... "buy a scale, buy a scale, buy a scale." Yawn. It's not condescending, it's boring. Leave it to psychedelic fans to bore ya to death.

[nanobrain]

^did you say 'yawn?' ;-)

[renegades]

During the trip swim can experience an upset stomach, headache, being restless, muscle's tighten, and trouble sleeping. However it is usually the next day that Swim really feels the effects of an RC, such as sleeping in late, the lack of energy, a pulled muscle in the legs or neck, or shadows still are moving visually which combine makes the next day a write off in some instances. Swim feels that 2C-T7 has the worse hangover of the 2Cs.

[seechao]

SWIM gets some serious popping sounds in his head, almost feels/sounds like a cannon ball going thru his head, its actualy quite cool and tends to happen when SWIM is about to sleep, not while tripping(altho once on mushies the universe flipped arround and squeezed sideways thru SWIM's head... but thats unrelated) The only real problems I've found is tension in my legs for a few days afterwards, this is mostly aleviated by stretching, and any "blahs" are dealt with with 5-HTP, which is the holly grail of psychedelic recovery, gets rid of the "hollow head" feeling too... The tension happens on 2c-i mostly, seems to be the worst for leg tension...

[seechao]

Oh, forgot to mention, once, SWIM, smoked 2c-i in a bulb pipe, about 10-15mg in the pipe, must have smoked 5-10mg at most, and had the most horrible lung pain and asthma of his life... dont smoke 2c-i...

[Nicaine]

SWIM's lab rats have used MDPV fairly heavily; nothing ridiculous, but they've been put on more than one 96-hour binge. So far they show no symptoms of physical damage, including neuronal/brain damage. They are as responsive as ever to methylone and other stimulants (after taking a long enough break to erase any cross-tolerance... two weeks is ideal, but three days is an excellent start). Their general physical condition is excellent -- no problems sprinting or dashing up a flight of stairs, despite not getting any regular exercise.

No signs of other problems either, such as liver or kidney issues. Free & clear.

[Rush]

swim is getting frequent headaches after he started using RC.
headaches came in stress situations more frequently, and stronger than before swim started RC researching

[seechao]

SWIM has found the same thing, sort of, SWIM thinks that since he has started playing with phenethylamines he has become much more sensitive to kundalini/chi/energy, and he has found that all of the energy blockages he has are becoming apparent, and he can no longer ignore them, which he has done since birth. Working with chakra balancing and similar techniques seems to be easier however, since he can feel the energy more... SWIM thinks its a possitive effect, as it is helping him deal with issues he has had for ages.

[snapper]

Maybe it's from prostatitis by proxy ?
Seriously though, chems and metabolites vary, and some can be very caustic or acidic. Phens are mostly eliminated in the urine. If SWIY has a sensitive bladder wall, 2CE metabolites and/or 2CE itself could easily cause irritation. A thought is to use something which modifies the pH of urine like maybe cranberry juice after the peak and increased fluid intake to dilute it out.
SWIM has gotten kidney pains mostly from 5meoDIPT (almost every time used, which was very frequently when it was around) but also some burning on urination.

[joechip666]

SWIM has experienced:

2C-C - slight numbness in extremities during

2C-E - gastric disturbances during

2C-I - congestion during, overstimulation during, slight headache after

2C-T-2 - slight general malaise

4-HO-DIPT - body shakes

4-HO-MIPT - slight body shakes

DPT - body shakes

5-MeO-MIPT - general malaise, cardio-vascular overstimulation

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[prospero]

Insufflating some of these chems definitely brings on some nasty side effects. Usually for SWIM a congestion in the neck area and a feeling of a rope slowly tightening around the throat. This is quite unpleasant and lasts for about the first hour of the trip and is particularly noticeable for 2-CT-7, 2C-D and oddly enough, MDMA. A friend of SWIM's gets it with 2C-E.