Side effects - Physical Troubles from RC Use

[TheLight01]

I'm wondering what your fysical problems are after or during RC's?


swims are that tright leg(calf) the muscle really tensions and a sore spot develops around a part of that muscle, it happens when using 2c-t-7and again with 2c-i overal bodytensions up during use, but this was strange and came back.


The day after it disappaers slowly.. what can this be?

[dr.red.evil]

Well phens are usally toxic to a point so that good be it and rcs are relitivaly untested.Does the same thing happen when u use trypts.Some times my body gets tense when i use phens or dpt.I never heard of a sore spot thought from it.Your best bet is to stay away from those two phens. Edited by: dr.red.evil

[korky8097]

i have only tried phens thus far, but have noticed spots that seem,
well tense in a weird way. The spot always changes so its not
something that happens just to a certain area. Next day on 2c-e i
noticed i was worn out and just kinda weird tense crappy feeling.

[dr.red.evil]

Originally Posted by korky8097

i have only tried phens thus far, but have noticed spots that seem, well tense in a weird way. The spot always changes so its not something that happens just to a certain area. Next day on 2c-e i noticed i was worn out and just kinda weird tense crappy feeling.

im sure i got those same spots at some point but never noticed since i was tripping

[VictorBorge]

Muscle tension, mucous production, headache, flushing and high blood
pressure (with high doses), irritable bowels. The list goes on. You seem to
be talking mostly about muscle tension, which can be relieved with
stretching (which feels extra good while tripping anyway!) Learn some
basic yoga moves or just some athletic stretches and do those. Also try
just lying still with your eyes closes and deep breathing, to take your
mind off your body.

[raven3davis]

"I always get lots of mucus production when I trip on 2cs. I have taken 2c-i, 2c-e and 2c-b, and it happens with all of them. I have to carry a cup around with me because I produce so much spit."

is what some dude at mcdonalds was saying

[Barron]

When I used to take RC's (2C* and methylone) every weeks or so for few months, it was like if half of my brain did not work properly. It mademade several days to disappear. I also hadteeth grindingfor several days (I guess it was due to a lack of serotonin). Since I decided to take less often (no more than 1 per month), these problems has disappeared.My mood is much better also.Edited by: Barron

[allyourbase]

I get all kinds of strange occurances, clenched teeth, thick throat, stuck toungue, the ability to think of myself as a coffee cup...

Reputation Comments on this post:

you need some good vibes

[FrankenChrist]

I'm thinking if the side effects of certain RC's are similar to those of MDMA it could help to take the same measures, no?

For muscle tensions, teeth grinding -> Maybe you need to rehydrate, do some stretching and take some magnesium?

[Solidly-here]

No physical troubles for me. At +1 hour (sometimes) my knees shake a little bit (with 4-HO-DiPT). Actually most of the time I feel better physically than usual.

[nanobrain]

most 2C's cause increased musle tension, headaches on the comedown, and lasting depletion of the serotonergic system.

and while there may be initial tolerance, the reverse will become true over time. abuse will lead to HPPD, emotional fragility and boundary issues.

do not smoke or snort 2C class compounds, especially 2C-T-anything. as you all well know, deaths have been attributed to this method.

the 4-HO psilocin analogs seem to be gentler in this respect, and some monkeys in the apery swear 4-HO-MiPT has anti-ageing properties.

reports of 5-MEO modification deleterious somatic and mental side effects and damage vary but seem to be the most severe of all.

never underestimate combinations of anything, be they supplements, smart drugs, and especialy, research chemicals.

often, there is crosspotentiation, and thats the least of your worries. have you a scale yet?Edited by: nanobrain

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

most 2C's cause increased musle tension, headaches on
the comedown, and lasting depletion of the serotonergic system.



and while there may be initial tolerance, the reverse will become
true over time. abuse will lead to HPPD, emotional fragility and
boundary issues.

Is there really reverse</span> tolerance with 2c's?

Edited by: enquirewithin

[blue jammer]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

I get all kinds of strange occurances, clenched teeth, thick throat, stuck toungue, the ability to think of myself as a coffee cup...

hehe, that bolded bit made me chuckle

The main thing I feel after 2-ci, 2-ce and 2-cb is an ache at the back of the head, due to all the grins on those chems, and the extra muscle usage for grinning.

Other than a bodyload with someo of them (feeling either heavier or lighter) I've never had a comedown yet off any of the 2-c chems.

[nanobrain]

^^i believe that there is definite reverse tolerance. my theory is simple:

once the new synaptic pathways are created and configurations wired from initial dose ranging experiments, the catalytic nature of the 2C's comes to the forefront. ie less (for me, much less) required to produce the state desired - reverse tolerance.

this of course does not apply to those abusing the sacraments, chugging down 50mg 2C-E in a sitting or stuffing 20mg 2C-P up their ass, for example.

[trippy420]

I have found that with 2C-E it was very hard for me to even get up off of my couch.I was very sore all over, especialy in my lower back.I also had a problem with 4 ho dipt where i had very bad stomach pains but with no gas to relieve myself. I was just wondering if anyone else has had these same problems, and if there was something i could eat or take beforehand so this wouldnt happen again. Thanks

[Toltec]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

^^i believe that there is definite reverse tolerance. my theory is simple:

once the new synaptic pathways are created and configurations wired from initial dose ranging experiments, the catalytic nature of the 2C's comes to the forefront. ie less (for me, much less) required to produce the state desired - reverse tolerance.

this of course does not apply to those abusing the sacraments, chugging down 50mg 2C-E in a sitting or stuffing 20mg 2C-P up their ass, for example.

Swim has noticed reverse tolerance effects using 2C-E. Out of the 10 os so times he's used it, he feels 2C-E becomes more psychedelic,swim sticks to 16 to 18mg's anymore is just to much over the edge.

[oldman]

yeah Swim has to agree with nanobrain's reversed tolerance theory. For him it was the same way with x too. He discovered this reversed tolerance when once he only had about 11mgs of 2ci left and took it and had a wonderful experience without hardly any load like the usual jaw clentching, headache, and sensitivity to high pitched noises. He is sticking to low dose from now on cause he's tired of all the after effects.

[enquirewithin]

^the Shulgins would seem to agree with you. I remember Anne Shulgin saying something to the effect that if you take a certain dose of a psychedelic and you are satisfied, perhaps take a little less next time.

[Ephemerides]

Muscle tension, mucous production, flushing and high blood


pressure (with high doses), irritable bowels, and a low tolerance to any drug.

Edited by: Ephemerides

[enquirewithin]

How much of this is psychosomatic, how muchan actual physical (fysical?) effect of the RCs?

[GETERDN]

I have noticed odd things with rcs, some people have absolutley no side effects, others though talk about everything from their leg to their back...i think it has to do with your current health and how much you take of the rc to begin with, but i am not sure. I used to see things online saying 3 days before you go on a journey you try and keep a good diet and be well rested

[oldman]

take lots of vits. protein (cause most likely yo will be anorexic while you dose), 5htp just for good measure. heard people talk about lysine and l-tyrosine (good for mental apparently some argue ther's not any benefit from preloading, wonder about DHEA for sexual function. have heard should stay away from yohimbe since it has some maoi qualities, small but why push it. swim tries to stay moderate on all other chems. (antidepressants, sleeping pills, adderall, etc) try to be as close to a chem virgin as you can, yeah right. maybe amoderate bit of exercise tomake sure you can handle whatever gets thrown to you. I have to think a healthy heart is very beneficial when you approach the red zone dosing.

[Nagognog2]

Let's just face facts here for a moment. The name Research Chemical means it is NOT tested and approved by ANYONE. You cannot sue the Froot Loops Company if you choke and break your legs. This is un-charted territory. Now as many here are Americans, we have a principle stock and trade in our faith that if a little is good - more is better. I suggest that ANYONE playing with these molecules comes to a firm understanding that you are playing with the unknown. Use caution. Lesser is safer. More MIGHT kill you. So if you insist on taking these molecules out for a walk and find that xmg works just fine - for heaven's sake don't keep pushing the limit up and up. These things are not cars you are souping up in the garage - this is your brain chemistry and your life.

[nanobrain]

there are a few warning signs of neurotoxicity that can be gleamed from PIHKAL / TIHKAL pages, such as:

-progressively worsening tingling / numbness in the extremities
-extreme tinnitis / vertigo
-popping sounds in the head
-blackout / amnesia

as far as mitigating potential unwanted side effects such as death, follow nagognog2's advice.

and buy a damned scale.

and analyse - not just peruse - the relevant information on the compound prior to self-experimentation.

Reputation Comments on this post:

good rules of thumb to watch

[Ephemerides]

Swim's gotten the popping sounds in his head. What the hell is that
anyway? He always thought of it as braincells exploding... but that
can't be right, and it's always been his top concern.



What are those popping sounds in your head?