Cold water extraction question???

[rolexparts]

If you were to let Hydrocodone/Oxycodone/Codeine/Anything else that can be extracted from pill form in cold water sit in cold water overnight, will the opiate/opiod be lost???? Will it get stronger or weaker?





Thanks,
B

[Tweak]

Hmmm, good question!

I have never seen a reason to leave it sitting overnight before so I have no idea..<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif">

Is there any particular reason why you want to do this?

If you let the opiate sit in cold water overnight, I can guarantee the water will be room temp in the morning.

If that is the case, then the opiate and the fillers will rebond and you will have to repeat the process again.

If your cold water/pill mass are in the fridge overnight, then i see no reason why you would lose any opiate, nor would i see a reason for the strength to increase or decrease...But I do not have first hand experience <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley1.gif">

[Woodman]

<blockquote>Originally posted by Tweak on 15 March 2004If you let the opiate sit in cold water overnight, I can guarantee the water will be room temp in the morning.<hr>
If that is the case, then the opiate and the fillers will rebond and you will have to repeat the process again.<hr></blockquote>

Tweak,



If I understand the premise of the question as posed, it would stand to reason that the process of DIFFUSION would, to some degree, take place, and certain amount of molecular deterioration is bound to occur.



If allowed to sit in water overnight, will the primary molecules deteriorate to the point where they become ineffective?



You said:

"If you let the opiate sit in cold water overnight, ... then the opiate and the fillers will rebond and you will have to repeat the process again"



Rebond? ...in an environment conducive to diffusion?



Since I'm approaching this from a biological perspective of molecular reaction, perhaps there is a more applicable chemical reaction (or some other factor) that I'm missing.



Please clarify.

[rolexparts]

I have an extended release codeine 50 MG tab, that doesn't disolve when crushed, or to snort. It breaks down into white powder (the immediate release codeine), green crystals (released 3 hours later), and red crystals (released 6 hours after initial dosing).





Iwas figuring that if I let it sit for this amount of time (at least 6 hours), then I'd be left with only Codeine.





I'm not sure.





Thanks,
B

[Tweak]

Woodman, I understand that the tendancy toward diffusion would be very strong even at room temperature, due to the high molecular velocities associated with the thermal energy of the codeine and various other molecules.

Not being able to calculate the rate of diffusion off hand, therefore not knowing how much molecular degredation would occur, I decided to simplify things (very drunk at that stage) and the term "rebond" was roughly thrown in to indicate that the codeine that is soluable in cold water will obviously not be in the water by the time morning comes and the water is room temp!

The factor that you are missing is myself being profusely intoxicated whilst posting and not understanding the 'premise of the question'! <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif">

[Woodman]

<blockquote>Originally posted by Tweak on 16 March 2004<hr>


The factor that you are missing is myself being profusely intoxicated whilst posting and not understanding the 'premise of the question'! <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif"><hr></blockquote>

Oh, Hell!

I'm guilty of that multile times, over.



No worries, though. Come the critics and condemnation; just post-to-please is the best you can do.



...and thanks for the clarification.

[rolexparts]

So... what's the answer to my question??? LOL

[Tweak]

Oh ya, forgot about that

To be honest mate, I have never dealt with slow release codeine tablets before, and cetainly not tablets that release green & red crystals upon standing.

The part that woodman & I have concluded upon, is accurate.

If your solution is left standing for too long in the water, the codeine will deteriorate to some degree, and it will 'weaken' the opiate. I wouldnt go so far as to say you would lose it all, but I think you would be best to get another brand of pills and start over, with a new procedure. If you like, PM your email to me and I'll send you a good extraction method which will leave you codeine exclusively. Note: Caffeine is also removed!!

Hope that helps. <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley4.gif">

[rolexparts]

ok, thanks... will do... i'm pm'ing you my addy

[mbrooksbsc]

Leaving salts in solution over night will not cause them to deteriorate. I have no idea what the crystals are but if you crush the pill and dissolve in water, the codeine, if it is a salt (ie codeine phosphate) will readily dissolve. The cooling process is to precipate other substances that have lower solubilities at cold temperatures. If you filter after cooling the codeine will still be in solution (mother liquor). You can let the mother liquor sit out at room temperature until it all evaporates if you would like. You would then be left with the remaining soluble substances including your codeine salt.SWIM is a chemist and told me this!