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Old 23-11-2009, 09:44
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Snorting Heroin liquid

Swims friend shoots swim up. Swim has only done it a few times. Today swims friend got the needles mixed up. Swim doesn't want to risk using someone else needle so when prompted he decided to snort it.
Swims friend came otu with it already liquefied and boiled in the spoon.

Swim didn't want to snort it at all cause he didn't think it'd work well liquid but did anyways.

It wasn't as strong as swims experience with shooting it at all.

Is snorting the liquid at all effective? It was tar if that helps
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Old 23-11-2009, 10:17
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

Absolutely was effective. SWIM snorted fentanyl derivatives in liquid solution (distilled water).

Its the best way as theres no nasal tissue damage (verse powder snorting). It also comes on faster as theres no powder that needs to first dissolve before incorporation into the intranasal mucousal matrix and passed over the tissue membrane.

BUT tar heroin is disgusting. ESPECIALLY for injection. Its physical state is prime for bacterial growth and this is well documented. Your not gonna make it sterile using a damn lighter and filter, that bacteria's going straight into the system.
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Old 23-11-2009, 20:22
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

if swiy used clean works every time this would not be a problem getting pins mixed up. but in times when clean works may not be avalible swim marks them with a black marker. then after second use brakes on side of plunger handle then theard time brakes off other side then pin is un useable as swim can't grip pin and plunger together plus swim would not want to use a pin more than 3 times. just a thought on how swiy could stay safe in futer. aswell as cooking up seperatly and keeping works away from each other untill deed is done. swim is glad it worked for swiy and was not a wasted hit. but also swiy could be at risk from this method as even though a lot less risk is involved by doing this there is still a risk of any diseases getting passed on by sharing works intentional or not. take care.

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Old 24-11-2009, 19:33
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

It must be made clear that injecting is by far the most dangerous route of administration open to heroin users. Dangerous in respect of overdose risk, in respect of risk of infection, and also in respect of the amount of physical damage done to one's body, including infections, blood-borne viruses, vein damage, abscesses, thromboses, endocarditis. All these many risks can be avoided by not injecting. Please think very hard before you take this step, any users who are able to should smoke or snort heroin rather than injecting it. Well done to the OP for realising that other, safer options are available, and for making this step towards moving in that direction.
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Today swims friend got the needles mixed up. Swim doesn't want to risk using someone else needle...
For those who do inject, the consequences of something like this happening can be fatal. Such a simple oversight can have deadly ramifications. But there are ways of avoiding it.
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if swiy used clean works every time this would not be a problem getting pins mixed up. but in times when clean works may not be avalible swim marks them with a black marker.
As Adzket mentioned, using new works every time really is the only way to guarantee 100% against accidentally using someone else's syringe. But we all know that realistically, this isn't always possible. Therefore adopting the practice of marking syringes to identify your own really is a very good idea.

Not sure if these Exchange Supplies products are available outside of the UK, so this may not be too relevant to the OP, but for others who want to do all they can to avoid the (potentially life-threatening) mixing-up of syringes, why not ask your local exchange, and see if you can get hold of some of these multicoloured, Nevershare syringes? (pictured left)

Alternatively, what about these Syringe IDs? Clever little pieces of coloured plastic which clip onto normal 1ml syringes, again helping to prevent accidental syringe sharing. (pictured below)

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Old 25-11-2009, 15:41
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

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It must be made clear that injecting is by far the most dangerous route of administration.
Actually when performed correctly with completely sterile equipment and medical grade substance, intravenous injection is one of the most efficient, reliable, and safest routes of administration.

There isn't anything inherent with the intravenous route making it dangerous, instead it can be made risky by (one or more of the following) lack of knowledge, incorrect procedure, unsterilized equipment, and/or impure substance.
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Old 25-11-2009, 15:57
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

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Actually when performed correctly with completely sterile equipment and medical grade substance, intravenous injection is one of the most efficient, reliable, and safest routes of administration. There isn't anything inherent with the intravenous route making it dangerous, instead it can be made risky by (one or more of the following) lack of knowledge, incorrect procedure, unsterilized equipment, and/or impure substance.
I agree, in a sterile, properly trained, medical environment, with medical grade substances, intravenous injection is as you say, efficient, reliable, and safe. And of course, what makes it unsafe is lack of knowledge, unsterilised equipment and impure substances.

However, we are talking about IV use in the context of street heroin use, and the resulting addiction. And as such, unfortunately, it is impossible to separate these factors - of course, ideally we would all have access to sterile equipment, IV training, medical grade gear and free medical advice if anything goes wrong. But in reality, this is far from the case, and in all honesty, I cannot see it becoming the norm in any of our lifetimes.

Statistics from UK exchanges state that one syringe is given out for every three IV drug injections. Even in a country where clean works are available as freely and easily as they are here, people still re-use. This figure is bound to be much, much more worrying in the US, due to the out-of-date, downright dangerous practices adopted by many states, in respect of providing IV drug users with sterile equipment.

So, as it stands, in the context of heroin use, we must be realistic about the environments, practices, equipment and impurity of heroin used by the vast majority of users. And if we are, it is impossible to come to any conclusion other than that which I stated in my previous post, with the reasons given above: In terms of routes of administration available to a heroin user, IV use is by far the most dangerous.

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Old 25-11-2009, 15:59
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

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I agree, in a sterile, trained, medical environment, with medical grade substances, intravenous injection is as you say, efficient, reliable, and safe. And of course, what makes it unsafe, is lack of knowledge, unsterilised equipment and impure substances.

However, we are talking about IV use in the context of heroin addiction. And as such, unfortunately, it is impossible to separate these factors - of course, ideally we would all have access to sterile equipment, IV training, medical grade gear and free medical advice if anything goes wrong. But in reality, this is far from the case, and in all honesty, I cannot see it becoming the norm in any of our lifetimes.

So, as it stands, in the context of heroin use, we must be realistic about the environments, practices, equipment and impurity of heroin used by the vast majority of users. And if we are, it is impossible to come to any conclusion other than that which I stated in my previous post, with the reasons given above: In terms of routes of administration available to a heroin user, IV use is by far the most dangerous.

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SWIM understands which context SWIY was using, SWIM just felt like making a slightly off-topic remark about the differences between proper and the more typical and riskier intravenous injections in case someone wished to know.
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

It should be pointed out that even in perfect circumstances, i.e. in a medical setting with sterile equipment etc., infections can occur. Simply due to the fact that bacteria are everywhere, including in the air, and if the wrong one happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time... infection!

Thus, saying that, in perfect conditions, IV (or injecting in general) is not more harmful than other ROAs, is like saying that, in perfect conditions, one can build a perpetuum mobile.. the point is, perfect conditions do not exist! There is always a risk that something goes wrong, even if one makes no mistake.
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Old 05-10-2010, 18:44
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

Swim thinks instead of snorting the liquid swiy could simply just try and "shoot" it rectally since only the needles were mixed up but the barrel was clean. It definately works (as pretty much all drugs works rectally, some even works surprisingly good and can actually give you a faster and stronger buzz than snorting) and it would in swims opinion feel more comfortable than taking a liquid up his nostrils.
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Old 05-10-2010, 20:34
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

Oh swims god... The needles were mixed up but the barels were clean??? How does swiy think one checks that they are in a vein? By drawing blood into the works
At which point, even snorting from said syringe is hella risky,
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Old 05-10-2010, 21:02
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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

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Oh swims god... The needles were mixed up but the barels were clean??? How does swiy think one checks that they are in a vein? By drawing blood into the works
At which point, even snorting from said syringe is hella risky,
But the barrels weren't mixed up?! it was the needles only apparently.
But I guess swiys over there don't use works with removable needles like here then..so excuse swim so very much then if you were referring to swims post!

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Re: Snorting Heroin liquid

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Swims friend shoots swim up. Swim has only done it a few times. Today swims friend got the needles mixed up. Swim doesn't want to risk using someone else needle so when prompted he decided to snort it.
Swims friend came otu with it already liquefied and boiled in the spoon.

Swim didn't want to snort it at all cause he didn't think it'd work well liquid but did anyways.

It wasn't as strong as swims experience with shooting it at all.

Is snorting the liquid at all effective? It was tar if that helps
its never worth it to risk getting someones disease if they may have one. be responsible. snorting is very effective. liquid or dry. be efficient dont waste.

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