Dose - Swim has got hands on 30mg codeine phosphate tablets

[Hardy Bucks]

Hello

Swim has came across some 30mg codeine phosphate tablets, swim has little or no experience with codeine or any opiate for that matter. Swim would like to know how many mg is safe for a first time recreational dosage.

[Vonn]

Im assuming that these have 500mg paracetemol or similar with them so dont take too many, especially as a first timer. maybe take 2 and see how you go? Dont go planning a huge dose, because of the lack of tolerence and never do a high dose without performing a cwe first.

[missparkles]

The therapeutic dose is 30-60 mgs taken four times daily. Now if SWIY is completely opiate naive (never used before) Sparkles would suggest taking the maximum therapeutic dose and increasing it each time by 30mgs. Just remember, although codeine is a weak opiate, become addicted to it and you will experience painful WD, you'll also have the same psychological dependence to deal with that all addicts eventually have, when they quit.

Psychological dependence is not substance specific. The mindset that develops during addiction, the reasons you use to justify your continuing drug use, and the reasons you give for being unable to quit, are the same with codeine as they are with heroin. By that point it's all "addiction." And once your tolerance level increases, you may find you need to jump from codeine to stronger opiates.
Stay safe luv.

Sparkles.

[Hardy Bucks]

No paracetemol in them - only codeine phosphate 30mg, small tablets, very bitter. Thanks 4 swiys help

[[tanarilla.]]

My bunny took 120mg for her first time of the 30/500 pills, so 4 tablets. It didn't feel too strong.

[Maxfrombx]

SWIM took up to 450mg of codeine, increasing the dosage, along with grapefruit juice. Sold as Klipal in France(50mg codeine, 600mg paracetamol).

CWE, never get any decent high from it. Until combined with 10mg prazepam. Long-lasting good feeling.

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[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM took up to 450mg of codeine, increasing the dosage, along with grapefruit juice. Sold as Klipal in France(50mg codeine, 600mg paracetamol).

That's a VERY high dose an any opiate-naive person would overdose and either feel like shit or die.

Swim thinks 3 tablets (90mg) should do the trick without making you have a bad time.

Be careful though, once you run out of them you'll go through hell if you didn't space out your dosage enough.

Robo

[Maxfrombx]

SWIM told an experience, in no way he would advise anyone to do the same, especially combining with benzos. Please see the difference between TR and advices before giving bad reps. It's true however that for a newbie asking advice, reporting such dosages may not be the best move.

He is aware of the high dosages, comparing to lots of others he had the chance to read on the forum.
The only explanation for SWIM is a weak convertion of codeine by his liver.

This kind of experiment took place 3-4 times only, months ago. He is by no mean addicted to codeine, as he can barely feel it.

[[tanarilla.]]

Originally Posted by Maxfrombx

Sold as Klipal in France(50mg codeine, 600mg paracetamol).

Interesting. But how would anyone benefit from the combination of such high doses of two painkillers in one pill? [in the therapeutic sense.] Seems unreasonable for my bunny, to have 50mg of codeine, then on top, 600mg of paracetamol, like, 'just in case'. Either one of them would make sense, she guesses pharmaeutical companies are weird. She thought they were actually lowering the reconmended dosage for para per day.

[Maxfrombx]

Originally Posted by [tanarilla.]

Interesting. But how would anyone benefit from the combination of such high doses of two painkillers in one pill? [in the therapeutic sense.] Seems unreasonable for my bunny, to have 50mg of codeine, then on top, 600mg of paracetamol, like, 'just in case'. Either one of them would make sense, she guesses pharmaeutical companies are weird. She thought they were actually lowering the reconmended dosage for para per day.

Paracetamol and opiates show a synergistic action when treating pain. Hence the association of the two. Even when treating with morphine, adding paracetamol is a good choice of association to potentialise the antalgic effect.

The classic previous association available was paracetamol+dextropropoxyphene, which was recently taken out of the market because of the big difference of half-life between the two, especially in the ederly (which meant accumulation in the body). Dextropropoxyphene is quite similar to methadone, and the advantage was it was useless recreatinonnaly.

Now on moderate pains, the only weapons are codeine or tramadol. Klipal is available in 50mg/600mg, and also 25/300. One should not exceed 2 a day thought.

One another note, codeine LD50 is around 800mg. One would have to take 16 Klipal to reach that level, which also means 10g of paracetamol, equally dangerous in SWIM's opinion.

Anyway, recreationnaly speaking, having that kind of dosage available makes CWE far less hazardous than the US preparations with only 8mg of codeine, needing lots of pills and obviously leaving a fair amount of paracetamol in the glass despite all the precautions... especially concerning for chronic abusers.

[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM told an experience, in no way he would advise anyone to do the same, especially combining with benzos. Please see the difference between TR and advices before giving bad reps. It's true however that for a newbie asking advice, reporting such dosages may not be the best move.

Well experiences, go in the experiences thread.When such an experience is posted in THIS thread, one can only assume that it was posted in reply to the OP's question, which was, in fact, what the best dose was for a first time.

Anyway, recreationnaly speaking, having that kind of dosage available makes CWE far less hazardous than the US preparations with only 8mg of codeine, needing lots of pills and obviously leaving a fair amount of paracetamol in the glass despite all the precautions... especially concerning for chronic abusers.

The original amount of paracetamol in the pills is irrelevant, since if a proper filter is used, and the right amount of water is added, then the only APAP left in the final solution is the amount soluble in the water used.



For example, if you had 200g of APAP in the original pills, and then filtered a solution containing 50ml of water, then there would be 14mg X 50ml = 700ml of APAP.This amount would be the same no matter how much APAP you originally had.



Robo

[[tanarilla.]]

Originally Posted by Maxfrombx

Paracetamol and opiates show a synergistic action when treating pain. Hence the association of the two. Even when treating with morphine, adding paracetamol is a good choice of association to potentialise the antalgic effect.

The classic previous association available was paracetamol+dextropropoxyphene, which was recently taken out of the market because of the big difference of half-life between the two, especially in the ederly (which meant accumulation in the body). Dextropropoxyphene is quite similar to methadone, and the advantage was it was useless recreatinonnaly.

Now on moderate pains, the only weapons are codeine or tramadol. Klipal is available in 50mg/600mg, and also 25/300. One should not exceed 2 a day thought.

One another note, codeine LD50 is around 800mg. One would have to take 16 Klipal to reach that level, which also means 10g of paracetamol, equally dangerous in SWIM's opinion.

Anyway, recreationnaly speaking, having that kind of dosage available makes CWE far less hazardous than the US preparations with only 8mg of codeine, needing lots of pills and obviously leaving a fair amount of paracetamol in the glass despite all the precautions... especially concerning for chronic abusers.

Yeah, she knew about the synergy between the two, but she did not notice any difference when she took 30mg pill of codeine only and then took 30/500. My bunny just doesn't think the paracetamol makes a difference.

[bunker]

Originally Posted by Hardy Bucks

Hello

Swim has came across some 30mg codeine phosphate tablets, swim has little or no experience with codeine or any opiate for that matter. Swim would like to know how many mg is safe for a first time recreational dosage.

My rabbit takes codeine all the time and has for years. Obviously, if SWIY is new to opiates than of course he would want to start of small. My rabbit would agree that 2, 3 pills (60-90 mg) would do the trick and not put SWIY in any danger. But a good beginners recreational dose can be around 200mg. Its also good for SWIY that they are just codeine phosphate...less likely to have a stomach ache once SWIY finds his dose.

Finally, my rabbit would like to remind SWIY that its always best to take codeine on an empty stomach and wait at least a day to dose again otherwise your receptors wont be receptive...

[Maxfrombx]

Well experiences, go in the experiences thread.When such an experience is posted in THIS thread, one can only assume that it was posted in reply to the OP's question, which was, in fact, what the best dose was for a first time.

You're right. So please notice BTW my first answer to your comment:
"It's true however that for a newbie asking advice, reporting such dosages may not be the best move."

For example, if you had 200g of APAP in the original pills, and then filtered a solution containing 50ml of water, then there would be 14mg X 50ml = 700ml of APAP.This amount would be the same no matter how much APAP you originally had.

Maybe... 700mg from 200 000 mg, with a lot of carefulness and patience. SWIM's remark was about chronic users who ends up not caring about the amount of paracetamol they're absorbing, often hurried to get their dose. Quite an amount of examples on the forum.

Yeah, she knew about the synergy between the two, but she did not notice any difference when she took 30mg pill of codeine only and then took 30/500. My bunny just doesn't think the paracetamol makes a difference.

That's what comes out of studies, and experience on patients on severe pain. However SWIM confens he has only some with morphine+paracetamol.
Reading SWIY's previous post at 120mg, maybe SWIY is like SWIM (meaning she doesn't metabolise codeine well and doesn't get much of it).