World Conspiracy!

[pokoloko]

Most politicians and religious leaders are members of secret societies. Masonry and the Vatican control the power of the world. These societies and the Vatican practice satanism. They have created international terrorism with the purpose of creating the third World War. They want to make it appear that all conflicts have been caused by conflicts and divisions between world countries and religions to establish a one world government and religion ruled by a leader who will claim to be the prophesied Messiah and to rule by divine authority. They will quote Bible verses to deceive people into thinking this is the Kingdom of God, and they will make all kind of signs and wonders. The UFO phenomenon and New Age Movement have been created for this purpose. This is the kingdom of the beast prophesied in the Bible in which all nations will gather. All people will worship the beast and all true followers of Yeshua will be persecuted. The aliens are fallen angels and hybrids, the gods worshipped by the ancient civilizations. Of course they will present great benefits to the population and they will relase new technologies and promises of peace and prosperity but do not believe them, they are only lying. This will be a fascist government, where all the people will be implanted with mind control chips and the useless eaters put to death. They have planted many lies to keep us away from the truth. God is not of any religion or denomination, because all are controlled and have substituted God because they claim to be the Truth, the Way and the Life. God is in our heart and teaches us individually, we must only understand and do what He commands. The Only Way is Yahshua the Messiah. What the majority believes is always the lie. Where the carcass is (false Christ), the vultures will gather (multitudes). <<http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/>> <<http://www.sherryshriner.com/>> <<http://www.mt.net/~watcher/>>

[Nature Boy]

You're bats.

[Solidly-here]

Do you Believe this?Or, is it just out there for comment?

[BrandonAA]

he believes it. the armedgeddon is in 2012 right? i have met several of this cats, the are certainly right about some things (like freemasons running the US) but some of it is scared paranoid shit.

[Turricaine]

Something bad is going to happen. I had sentiment that a hydrogen bomb was going to explode in Jan 2002 but it did not happen. You cannot predict when somethig will happen but as the old saying goes - 'cant stop the plop'.

[Alfa]

I will go to great length considering theories, but I have to agree with Liam. Nontheless, there are some elements of your writing that I can go with: Masonry is very underestimated. This society is not only spiritual. There are many benefits of being a mason. Once part of it, a mason will direct it's favors and spendings to other masons. As a very large society the masons help each other forward. From the first handshake on, a mason will recognize it´s fellow. Once you recognise the masonsigns, you´ll see they are all around.

[RickyTarr]

Alfa


I thought the Masons were in decline? I do know about G. Washington & several other D. of Ind. signers being mason. Shriners are f.masons too, right?


Ricky Tarr

[MrJim]

Both Bush and Kerry are members of the Skull and Bones. That is another of those powerful organizations. That fact blew my mind.

[Nature Boy]

All of these secret organisation theories seem a little far fetched to me. They're all just a fancy way of describing how politicians are corrupt (which they most certainly are).

[Alfa]

I do not know ifFreemasonary is in decline, butFreemasonery is pretty much everywhere and in great numbers. Here in the Netherlands every region is well covered by lodges. Here are some links to Freemason websites: http://www.thefreemason.com/links/default.asp?cat=29The amount of sites will give you a small indication of their numbers. Many sites are not listed and by far the most do not have a site. But then again; what is many? Compared to christians or islam, there are not many Freemasons. It is not the quantity of members, but the quality (Which) of members that creates influence. More about the Masons can be found here: http://www.ben-ali-shriners.org/Masonicfaq.htm


After a mason has become a Master Mason, it is possible to join a lodge of the Shrine Masons. There are other possibilities as well. It's a step upwards in the ranks of masonry to the elite.

[MrJim]

This is a 60 minutes report. Just saying the Bush/Kerry thing isn't a theory. It is a fact.
<DIV =>(CBS)As opposite as George Bush and John Kerry may seem to be, they do share a common secret - one they've shared for decades, and one they will not share with the electorate.

The secret: details of their membership in Skull and Bones, the elite Yale University society whose members include some of the most powerful men of the 20th century.

Bonesmen, as they're called, are forbidden to reveal what goes on in their inner sanctum, the windowless building on the Yale campus that is called the Tomb.

When 60 Minutes first reported on Skull & Bones last October, conspiracy theorists, who see Skull and Bones behind just about everything that goes wrong, and even right, in the world, were relishing the unthinkable - the possibility of two Bonesman fighting it out for the presidency.

Over the years, Bones has included presidents, cabinet officers, spies, Supreme Court justices, captains of industry, and often their sons and lately their daughters, a social and political network like no other.

And to a man and women, they'd responded to questions with utter silence until an enterprising Yale graduate, Alexandra Robbins, managed to penetrate the wall of silence in her book, “Secrets of the Tomb,” reports CBS News Correspondent Morley Safer.
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"I spoke with about 100 members of Skull and Bones and they were members who were tired of the secrecy, and that's why they were willing to talk to me,” says Robbins. “But probably twice that number hung up on me, harassed me, or threatened me.”

Secret or not, Skull and Bones is as essential to Yale as the Whiffenpoofs, the tables down at a pub called Mory's, and the Yale mascot - that ever-slobbering bulldog.

Skull and Bones, with all its ritual and macabre relics, was founded in 1832 as a new world version of secret student societies that were common in Germany at the time. Since then, it has chosen or "tapped" only 15 senior students a year who become patriarchs when they graduate -- lifetime members of the ultimate old boys' club.

“Skull and Bones is so tiny. That's what makes this staggering,” says Robbins. “There are only 15 people a year, which means there are about 800 living members at any one time.”

But a lot of Bonesmen have gone on to positions of great power, which Robbins says is the main purpose of this secret society: to get as many members as possible into positions of power.

“They do have many individuals in influential positions,” says Robbins. “And that's why this is something that we need to know about.”

President Bush has tapped five fellow Bonesmen to join his administration. Most recently, he selected William Donaldson, Skull and Bones 1953, the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission. Like the President, he's taken the Bones oath of silence.
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Ron Rosenbaum, author and columnist for the New York Observer, has become obsessed with cracking that code of secrecy.

“I think there is a deep and legitimate distrust in America for power and privilege that are cloaked in secrecy. It's not supposed to be the way we do things,” says Rosenbaum. “We're supposed to do things out in the open in America. And so that any society or institution that hints that there is something hidden is, I think, a legitimate subject for investigation.”

His investigation is a 30-year obsession dating back to his days as a Yale classmate of George W. Bush. Rosenbaum, a self-described undergraduate nerd, was certainly not a contender for Bones. But he was fascinated by its weirdness.

“It's this sepulchral, tomblike, windowless, granite, sandstone bulk that you can't miss. And I lived next to it,” says Rosenbaum. “I had passed it all the time. And during the initiation rites, you could hear strange cries and whispers coming from the Skull and Bones tomb.”

Despite a lifetime of attempts to get inside, the best Rosenbaum could do was hide out on the ledge of a nearby building a few years ago to videotape a nocturnal initiation ceremony in the Tomb's courtyard.

“A woman holds a knife and pretends to slash the throat of another person lying down before them, and there's screaming and yelling at the neophytes,” he says.

Robbins says the cast of the initiation ritual is right out of Harry Potter meets Dracula: “There is a devil, a Don Quixote and a Pope who has one foot sheathed in a white monogrammed slipper resting on a stone skull. The initiates are led into the room one at a time. And once an initiate is inside, the Bonesmen shriek at him. Finally, the Bonesman is shoved to his knees in front of Don Quixote as the shrieking crowd falls silent. And Don Quixote lifts his sword and taps the Bonesman on his left shoulder and says, ‘By order of our order, I dub thee knight of Euloga.’"

It’s a lot of mumbo-jumbo, says Robbins, but it means a lot to the people who are in it.

“Prescott Bush, George W's grandfather, and a band of Bonesmen, robbed the grave of Geronimo, took the skull and some personal relics of the Apache chief and brought them back to the tomb,” says Robbins. “There is still a glass case, Bonesmen tell me, within the tomb that displays a skull that they all refer to as Geronimo.”

“The preoccupation with bones, mortality, with coffins, lying in coffins, standing around coffins, all this sort of thing I think is designed to give them the sense that, and it's very true, life is short,” says Rosenbaum. “You can spend it, if you have a privileged background, enjoying yourself, contributing nothing, or you can spend it making a contribution.”

And plenty of Bonesmen have made a contribution, from William Howard Taft, the 27th President; Henry Luce, the founder of Time Magazine; and W. Averell Harriman, the diplomat and confidant of U.S. presidents.

“What's important about the undergraduate years of Skull and Bones, as opposed to fraternities, is that it imbues them with a kind of mission for moral leadership,” says Rosenbaum. “And it's something that they may ignore for 30 years of their life, as George W. Bush seemed to successfully ignore it for quite a long time. But he came back to it.”

Mr. Bush, like his father and grandfather before him, has refused to talk openly about Skull and Bones. But as a Bonesman, he was required to reveal his innermost secrets to his fellow Bones initiates.

“They're supposed to recount their entire sexual histories in sort of a dim, a dimly-lit cozy room. The other 14 members are sitting on plush couches, and the lights are dimmed,” says Robbins. “And there's a fire roaring. And the, this activity is supposed to last anywhere from between one to three hours.”
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What’s the point of this?

”I believe the point of the year in the tomb is to forge such a strong bond between these 15 new members that after they graduate, for them to betray Skull and Bones would mean they'd have to betray their 14 closest friends,” says Robbins.

One can't help but make certain comparisons with the mafia, for example. Secret society, bonding, stakes may be a little higher in one than the other. But everybody knows everything about everybody, which is a form of protection.

“I think Skull and Bones has had slightly more success than the mafia in the sense that the leaders of the five families are all doing 100 years in jail, and the leaders of the Skull and Bones families are doing four and eight years in the White House,” says Rosenbaum.

Bones is not restricted to the Republican Party. Yet another Bonesman has his eye on the Oval Office: Senator John Kerry, Democrat, Skull & Bones 1966.

“It is fascinating isn't it? I mean, again, all the people say, ‘Oh, these societies don't matter. The Eastern Establishment is in decline.’ And you could not find two more quintessential Eastern establishment, privileged guys,” says Rosenbaum. “I remember when I was a nerdy scholarship student in the reserve book room at, at the Yale Library, and John Kerry, who at that point styled himself ‘John F. Kerry’ would walk in.”

“There was always a little buzz,” adds Rosenbaum. “Because even then he was seen to be destined for higher things. He was head of the Yale Political Union, and a tap for Skull and Bones was seen as the natural sequel to that.”

David Brooks, a conservative commentator who has published a book on the social dynamics of the upwardly mobile, says that while Skull & Bones may be elite and secret, it's anything but exciting.

“My view of secret societies is they're like the first class cabin in airplanes. They're really impressive until you get into them, and then once you're there they're a little dull. So you hear all these conspiracy theories about Skull and Bones,” says Brooks.

“And to me, to be in one of these organizations, you have to have an incredibly high tolerance for tedium 'cause you're sittin' around talking, talking, and talking. You're not running the world, you're just gassing.”

Gassing or not, the best-connected white man's club in America has moved reluctantly into the 21st Century.

“Skull and Bones narrowly endorsed admitting women,” says Robbins. “The day before these women were supposed to be initiated, a group of Bonesmen, including William F. Buckley, obtained a court order to block the initiation claiming that letting women into the tomb would lead to date rape. Again more legal wrangling; finally it came down to another vote and women were admitted and initiated.”

But Skull & Bones now has women, and it’s become more multicultural.

“It has gays who got the SAT scores, it's got the gays who got the straight A's,” says Brooks. “It's got the blacks who are the president of the right associations. It's different criteria. More multicultural, but it's still an elite, selective institution.”

On balance, it may be bizarre, but on a certain perspective, does it provide something of value?

“You take these young strivers, you put them in this weird castle. They spill their guts with each other, fine. But they learn something beyond themselves. They learn a commitment to each other, they learn a commitment to the community,” says Brooks. “And maybe they inherit some of those old ideals of public service that are missing in a lot of other parts of the country.”

And is that relationship, in some cases, stronger than family or faith?

“Absolutely,” says Robbins. “You know, they say, they say the motto at Yale is, ‘For God, for country, and for Yale.’ At Bones, I would think it's ‘For Bones.'”
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[Nostradamus]

I've never seen a topic start out so weird and end up so interesting.

[Diphenhydramine]

Yeah, masons, skull and bones, scientology. Just research it on
the net, it's kind of creepy not that these people in high power
subscribe to these archaic traditions, but that they provide meeting
rooms for unchecked deals that no one will ever know about.



The rotten.com library has a great database on all this kind of shit.

[P!MPJU!C3]

Ive got family who are freemasons and my best friends family has many members in his family that are free masons. They are harmless elitists now a days. No need worrying about them, they give money to chairity.

As far as conspiricy theories: I'm still hoping that the Jewish bankers are gonna take over the world. But I wanna sign up. Have any of u seen any application forms anywhere?

P!MPJU!C3

[Sklander]

Absolute crazy!

[Diphenhydramine]

Sorry to be off topic, but dude, your name fucking rules. Sklander.

[oldman]

I agree with Diphen. about it being fucked up that the powers that we allow to hold office subscribe to all that voodoo, you're gonna burn in hell if you don't accept Jesus, and all the rest of that crap (sorry I attened Catholic Scholls). My schooling may predispose me to being very stand offish about Christianity in general. And I won't go with all the conspiracey issues but we all know it was all those f-in bible bangers that got that rich boy bozo in office again, cause I come across very few people (accept the very wealthy) that would admit to voting for that clown. yo, Diphen I think that's hilarious that you live in Vatican City and have the outlook about that stuff that you mentioned before.

[Alfa]

Well I got a new one for ya: The only voting machines thatare internationally approved to meet international standards come from a firm in the USA.Those arethe only ones used. Anyone know how much truth there is to the claim I heard that this enterprise is a Bush family enterprise. If so; no wonder that he wants to bring democracy everywhere.

[Diphenhydramine]

Oldman, I really don't live in Vatican City. I just thought it was funny to put down.



Have you seen their army? They look like Swedish clowns? I
only wish I could live somewhere guarded by people that look like
clowns, and not ruled by clowns. I hate war.



Clowns rule.