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Old 05-03-2007, 01:55
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Experiences of concurrent use of heroin and buprenorphine (suboxone/ subutex)

how long after a dose of suboxone would using heroin be effective and safe?
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Old 05-03-2007, 15:37
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

Any help would be greatly apreciated by SWIM . SWIM needs tro find an answer to his question fairly quickly. Thanks
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Old 06-03-2007, 11:25
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

Dont put suboxone or subutex anywhere near you until you begin to feel the first stages of withdrawals,then you know any opiates are out of your system.
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Old 06-03-2007, 15:22
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

Thats not what SWIM is asking. SWIM is currently on suboxone and wants to know how long after he stops taking suboxone would he effectively be able to use heroin?
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:07
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

oh right,i'd say about 24 hours,but if you've been on them for a while to be safe i'd say 36hours so its completely out of your system.
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Old 16-03-2007, 20:53
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

my girl can get high after only about 2-3 hours after her suboxen. no shit, ive seen her do it several times.

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Not safe advice for any other person. This can cause precipitated withdrawal
Using dope after bup CAN NOT cause precipitated withdrawal, only reduce the strength of the dope. PWD comes when the combo is switched.
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Old 19-03-2007, 20:12
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

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my girl can get high after only about 2-3 hours after her suboxen. no shit, ive seen her do it several times.
She must be doing enough H so that the heroin pusshes the buprenorphine out of the opiate receptors and the heroin take over...


Best way to tell if the suboxone is outta one's system, is once they feel a lil dopesick. For swim, when swim feels the sweats, swim know's the shot will work.
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Old 29-03-2007, 17:00
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

... and what about subutex? if swim is on subutex (6 mg.) how long should he wait before smoking a foil and feeling something?
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Old 06-09-2007, 04:01
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

my kindergarten teacher ms. ginger has been on a suboxone maintenance program under the supervision of a doctor for 3 months now. (she picked up a nasty pill habit while working as a stripper). her doc said it takes about 2 days for the buprenorphine and naloxone to completley leave your system and allow other opiods to have their full effects. she takes 4-8 mg per day. when suboxone is taken sublingually, more of the buprenorphine enters your system, while very little naloxone follows. if it is just straight up swallowed, the reverse is true. so, try not to swallow any saliva while it's under your tongue.
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Old 13-10-2007, 04:31
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

The half life of suboxone is 37 hours, meaning it takes 37 hours to get half that chemical out of your body. So you should really wait 74 hour(3days+2hours) for it to be completely out of your system, about the same time you'll hit withdrawal.
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Old 14-10-2007, 20:40
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

SWIM takes buprenorphine/nolaxone daily but sometimes will wait 12 hours to use H and finds that it takes a little more than usual but does get high, SWIM also reports that there is a little less of a rush.

SWIM finds that waiting 3 or 4 hours after doing bup that using H does not get SWIM high but if the bup isn't fully taking care of withdrawals, SWIMs withdrawals will go away.
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Old 24-10-2007, 00:52
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

I'd assume that 3-4 hours should be good, as like mentioned above, the naloxone barely enters the body (if ingested right), and the bup shouldn't matter.
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

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Thats not what SWIM is asking. SWIM is currently on suboxone and wants to know how long after he stops taking suboxone would he effectively be able to use heroin?
Swim has used heroine effectively only 8 hours after swim's last sub dose, which is generally only a 1/4 or 1/2 a sub.
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Old 13-11-2009, 20:49
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How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

If a person took some a couple pills of suboxone (about 16 mgs worth), how long would they have to wait until thye could shoot up heroin and actually feel it?
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Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

SWIY could probably experience an "okay" sensation, nod, and positive general feeling after about 24-36 hours. To get a decent feeling rush, SWIY will probably have to wait until they start going into withdrawals.
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Old 13-11-2009, 21:44
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Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

To go along with what DT said, which I must add is a very good answer, there is some information in this thread that might be of help Heroin after suboxone

And this link: how long should swim wait after doing H to take suboxone
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Old 14-11-2009, 08:58
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Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

Swim read somewhere the half life of suboxone is around 24 hours. This means if 16 mgs were taken 8 mgs would be still in the system after 24 hours.

If someone takes 16 mgs a day for a week it would take several days for it to be completely out of the system.

In swims experience it took a couple days to get a good rush and nod, but he never used suboxone for more than a week at a time.
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Old 14-11-2009, 17:18
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Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

swim used to find that they could get a hit a little before or after 24 hrs depending on gear.
but they would normally be noticing withdrawel before then any way at about 18 hrs how ever swim never took as much as they should of to cover there initial habbitt only enough to hold of withdrawel while waiting to score ect..
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Old 31-12-2009, 19:44
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

How bout this: Swim only gets subs every now and then during the times he can't cop. He's never taken more than half of an 8mg wafer in one day, and has never used it more than oneday in a row. Yesterday, swim took half of an 8mg sub at 1pm, it's now 11am. Do you think swim will feel a shot of one nifty (the normal amount swim does to feel pretty good)?
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

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How bout this: Swim only gets subs every now and then during the times he can't cop. He's never taken more than half of an 8mg wafer in one day, and has never used it more than oneday in a row. Yesterday, swim took half of an 8mg sub at 1pm, it's now 11am. Do you think swim will feel a shot of one nifty (the normal amount swim does to feel pretty good)?
I would recommend that SWIY wait at minimum 24 hours after dosing the suboxone (thus making it 1 PM today). However, the Suboxone might still have some blocking effect due to the high affinity for the opiate receptors and the long half life. For best results, wait at least 36 hours after SWIY dosed the Suboxone to feel the full effect of the high.

By the way, since this is an international forum, slang terms aren't recognized by all people on this forum. I am assuming one nifty is a slang term? Red Rock has never heard of this term before and doesn't know how much heroin this equates to.
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Old 31-12-2009, 20:01
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Re: Heroin after suboxone

nifty= 1/10 of a gram, "tenth" sorry about that

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do you think it'd be worth it at all? i mean,would I at least feel something?

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Re: Heroin after suboxone

swim can do a small amount of suboxone OR subutex in any way and be fine to do h later that night, because in reality the bupe and the naloxone are both competing for the receptors so it doesnt matter how you do the bupe unless you take like like 30mg then the naloxone MIGHT do something, and if you do enough of any opiate it will push the bupe out if your on a small amount like swim is on 2-4 mg a day, swim enjoys bupe more then hydro or oxy... so yeah 12-36 hours and the desired effects will be lowerd the sooner you do it, swim has been experimenting alot with how long it takes...

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Re: Heroin after suboxone

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swim can do a small amount of suboxone OR subutex in any way and be fine to do h later that night, because in reality the bupe and the naloxone are both competing for the receptors so it doesnt matter how you do the bupe unless you take like like 30mg then the naloxone MIGHT do something, and if you do enough of any opiate it will push the bupe out if your on a small amount like swim is on 2-4 mg a day, swim enjoys bupe more then hydro or oxy... so yeah 12-36 hours and the desired effects will be lowerd the sooner you do it, swim has been experimenting alot with how long it takes...

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Re: Heroin after suboxone

24 hours swim likes to wait 48 if he can pull it off he always feels that suboxone has sorta a half life but 24 should be just fine.
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Experiences of concurrent use of heroin and suboxone/ subutex

Swim wonder's about suboxone alot and always hear's fear stories of precipitated withdrawls when not leaving enough time between last Heroin used and Suboxone usage.

Swim has alwasy though that this is just scare tactics as in the past Swim has used Heroin and then thought about giving up thus used suboxone and then hours later went an scored some Heroin.

Although after using Suboxone then scoring Heroin, he has never experianced P-WD's either way of using it, but he does have less effect and somtimes none from heroin when he has used Sub's.

He just cannot get his head around Precipitated WD as he assumes that when still high from heroin, the sub's go in and replace the heroin with Sub's and thus giving a Sub high, although not high in a sense but he doesnt see why it makes him WD, as it doesnt in himself.

Who has personaly had precipitated WD's from not leaving time between Heroin and Sub's, or is it just what you have seen and read.

Swim wonders this as he starts Suboxone treatment tomorow and have had Heroin tonight and will maybe have his last bit in the AM and start Sub's around 6-12 hours later when he feels a little ill.

Swim is currently using 2 0.2g bags of UK grade Heroin a day right now.

Swim wonders if this is a big habbit??? and wonders if 6mg Sub's will hold him tomorow.

Swim is doing a quick taper as Swim was on th Subs for 10 mnths @ 4mg per day and had a bad WD from it and only used Heroin due to the fact that he broke his jaw and was on painkillers for a few weeks.

What is your thoughts out there Swimmer's

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