Effects - Beating the sizzurp drowsiness??

[morning_glory]

Hi all. SWIM has UTFSE'd this many a time over, but either can't find the answers she needs or finds the promising threads she could bump with her questions sadly already locked.

SWIM got a sinus infection and bronchitis this past May and was prescribed Tussionex Pennkinetic. This opened her world to the wonders of opiates. She abused the shit out of that bottle, also a bottle of pure hydrocodone syrup prescribed to her mom a few years ago that had never been touched, enjoyed heartily the three bottles of Vikes she got for her wisdom tooth surgery, and scored a few Vikes off the street as well. However, due to her lack of money these days buying pills is out of the question. She was moping about this the other night, what with being all out of anything opiate and not having any money for anything more, when JACKPOT.

SWIM found a bottle of promethazine/codeine syrup in her room from this past August (bronchitis yet again!) that she'd apparently forgotten about. Figuring, why the hell not, ain't got anything better, SWIM did her research and consumed around 85ml of the syrup, or 170mg of codeine.

A euphoria hit her very briefly, but was almost immediately followed with intense drowsiness. The drowsiness kicked the high's ass and promptly knocked her out for a good eight hours (restful sleep, but not the goal of the experiment, haha). She was very tired when she took the syrup but going on her past experiences with hydro wasn't concerned, as that seems to keep her awake more than it does knock her out.

Is this supposed to happen? Was it just because she was tired? Was it just a negative effect of the promethazine? Is there anyway to avoid this and actually experience a decent euphoria BEFORE passing out for sweet sweet slumber? SWIM only has enough left for one more high and would really prefer not to sleep through it all. Is it a worthless cause or are there ways to bypass/avoid the extreme drowsiness? It seems like not all swimmers have this problem with the syrup so she was just wondering.

[malsat]

Promethezine's an antihistamine with sedative effects - it caused the drowsiness. It's freely soluble in water which rules out doing a CWE. AKAIK the only other way to separate the compounds would be a more complicated chemical extraction.

[morning_glory]

Swim was just asking because she knows that other people don't have this problem. If everyone drank it and passed out, why the hell would it be a popular party drink (in certain areas)? Well... immediately passed out, haha.

Is it just swim's body then or did she just take too much?

[insignius]

promethazine (aka phenergen) is an anti-emetic (anti nausea) med that they put with the syrup to combat the nausea frequently associated with opiates. the problem (or, well, not a problem if you ask some) is that both phenergen and codeine have mildly sedative or drowsy properties used alone, but are very strong potentiators of each other.

SWIM knows someone who's been to texas where the use of this flourishes and, fortunately, had plenty of access to and experience with this purply goodness (he claims that it is one of the best-tasting stuff on earth). his advice wouldwould probably be this: cut the usual dosage of codeine SWIY would need for the desired effect (like if were taking it standalone) in HALF: and the combination of the two will easily put swiy where they want to be. ie, they said 170mg of codeine, right? well next time try half that and they might actually stay awake long enough to enjoy nodding and ducking in and out.

swim's afraid that the intense drowsiness is just something either liked or not liked, and no way around it. the only thing my friend might recommend besides downing the dosage would be to mix it w/ an energy drink such as monster (best tasting) or RockStar (strongest IMO).

happy sippin!

Reputation Comments on this post:

	No self incrimination please.
	good advice for OP-in detail.thanks

[malsat]

^^ Promethazine actually is an antihistamine. Some antihistamines are used as antiemetics.

[morning_glory]

Thanks! Swim appreciates this advice very much. Swim was just very surprised... 50mg of hydrocodone hasn't knocked her out before, and the drowsiness she got from it was very pleasant. Really odd for little ol' codeine to kick her ass so completely, haha. Will def take this advice and cut down the dosage. Thanks again so much!

[Sugar1]

Swim suggest you smoke a sativa type bud.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	why do you suggest this? one-liners like this shouldn't be posted
	off topic, not enough information

[kailey_elise]

The promethazine synergizes with the codeine and makes the drowsiness factor of each increase, BUT... you stated that SWIY had been consuming hydrocodone prior to the codeine, which might also have a bit to do with it.

Codeine is a "natural" opiate, like morphine, and derivatives of codeine & morphine (like heroin) tend to be very "noddy" & sedating. Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Lortab, Norco) is semi-synthetic, & is made from codeine & thebaine. Thebaine is also from the opium poppy plant, it's also in the opium latex, but doesn't make you "high" in the traditional sense one thinks of an opiate high. It's actually kind of energizing. Oxycodone (Percocet, Oxycontin) is made just from thebaine, and many people find it a very "energizing" opiate high, if that makes any sense - they feel gooooood, but also motivated to, say, clean the house, whereas heroin is kind of a, um, "gooey" high, where one feels very comfortable drooling into their own lap on the couch.

So, maybe SWIY got more "energy" when partaking in the hydrocodone-based products, since it's partly made with thebaine, and the codeine-based product was more sedating than SWIY was expecting. Especially since people tend to underestimate poor, misunderstood codeine!

~Kailey

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Good explanation of the different characteristics of various opiates

[morning_glory]

Originally Posted by kailey_elise

The promethazine synergizes with the codeine and makes the drowsiness factor of each increase, BUT... you stated that SWIY had been consuming hydrocodone prior to the codeine, which might also have a bit to do with it.

Codeine is a "natural" opiate, like morphine, and derivatives of codeine & morphine (like heroin) tend to be very "noddy" & sedating. Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Lortab, Norco) is semi-synthetic, & is made from codeine & thebaine. Thebaine is also from the opium poppy plant, it's also in the opium latex, but doesn't make you "high" in the traditional sense one thinks of an opiate high. It's actually kind of energizing. Oxycodone (Percocet, Oxycontin) is made just from thebaine, and many people find it a very "energizing" opiate high, if that makes any sense - they feel gooooood, but also motivated to, say, clean the house, whereas heroin is kind of a, um, "gooey" high, where one feels very comfortable drooling into their own lap on the couch.

So, maybe SWIY got more "energy" when partaking in the hydrocodone-based products, since it's partly made with thebaine, and the codeine-based product was more sedating than SWIY was expecting. Especially since people tend to underestimate poor, misunderstood codeine!

~Kailey

Hahaha, that's actually very interesting! Swim never thought of it like that. Sweet.

Anyway swim solved her codeine problem... she took half the dose that she did last time and then sipped the other half very slowly over the course of an hour. It was a pleasant nod, gradually creeping in and it didn't kick her ass this time either, just made sleep come nice and easy when she was ready for it.

[TrustedChems]

Yes, prometh is H1 antihistamine.

But yes, sip it slow and smoke some bud just enjoy yourself.

[cra$h]

that drowsiness is all part of the high my friend. Embrace it and dose properly according to the situation. If your gonna be busy, an average dose would be fine, if you need to funtion, a little less, and when you're just chillin by yourself a little less as well. Don't know why, but when your alone drugs work much more effectively. I guess it's just swim enjoying the high with no distractions or social pressures.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Swim was just asking because she knows that other people don't have this problem. If everyone drank it and passed out, why the hell would it be a popular party drink (in certain areas)? Well... immediately passed out, haha.

That's why sizzurp is sipped slowly and not gagged down...Take it easy.

[interlunar]

carlson, my middle-aged gila monster, was under the impression that an antihistamine is paired with codeine syrups to discourage abuse. if that is the case it seems like it did its job.

anyway, as it is actually a potentiator in smaller doses, carlson told me to recommend SWIY, as insignus has already pointed out, to take about half of the previous dose, SWIY should end up feeling more of the codeine.

irony everywhere!