Experiences - Ritalin (methyl phenidate) + alcohol

[Stimulants]

SWIM had 20mg of methyl phenidate with 56g EtOH (about 4 x 12oz beer) and friend of SWIM told him he was acting very drunk,but in a peculiar way.

Do SWIYers have any expierience in this combination?

[lineartransform]

Yes, it turns you into an idiot. Effectively you "feel" less drunk than you really are. Imagine you think you're about 5 beers into it when really you've drank 8... then extrapolate that as the night goes on.

It's not that you're different, it's just that your self-evaluation goes straight to hell... you think you're sober enough to do something when really you're not at all.

[Leet]

Methylphenidate is a stimulant drug so naturally the depressant effects of alcohol will be much more benign. Ritalin among many other pharmaceutical stimulants are used in combination with alcohol by many users. The dangerous thing about combining the two drugs is you may not realize, or you may underestimate the amount of alcohol consumed, and you may continue drinking until the point of alcohol poisoning.

[Dr. Satan]

Swiy shouldn't forget either, that the alcohol consumption with medicines or drugs prolongs their effects, for the following reason: the alcohol facilitates the toxicity of drugs and medicines. So, metabolized drugs stay longer in the liver, what can damage considerably this vital and complex organ. This combination must be avoided as much as possible.
And like that was already said, the drug masks the effects of the alcohol, thus the drunkenness can arise brutally after the effects of drug.

[Stimulants]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

Yes, it turns you into an idiot. Effectively you "feel" less drunk than you really are. Imagine you think you're about 5 beers into it when really you've drank 8... then extrapolate that as the night goes on.

It's not that you're different, it's just that your self-evaluation goes straight to hell... you think you're sober enough to do something when really you're not at all.

In this particular case, SWIM BYOB'd and his supply was limited to what he had, four beers, therefore this couldn't have happened.

[lineartransform]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

In this particular case, SWIM BYOB'd and his supply was limited to what he had, four beers, therefore this couldn't have happened.

Of course it happened, your friends even told you so. You got far more drunk off 4 beers than you usually would.

[Stimulants]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

Of course it happened, your friends even told you so. You got far more drunk off 4 beers than you usually would.

SWIM meant that he couldn't have consumed more alcohol than he thinks he did, because SWIM only had so much alcohol.

[lineartransform]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

SWIM meant that he couldn't have consumed more alcohol than he thinks he did, because SWIM only had so much alcohol.

You're missing my point. What I'm saying is that the effects of alcohol will be magnified relative to the number of drinks you've had.

It's not that you drink more alcohol than you think, it's that the alcohol you drink affects you to a greater degree.

Do you get this?

[Stimulants]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

You're missing my point. What I'm saying is that the effects of alcohol will be magnified relative to the number of drinks you've had.

It's not that you drink more alcohol than you think, it's that the alcohol you drink affects you to a greater degree.

Do you get this?

Alcohol is a depressant and methyl phenidate is stimulant. SWIY is saying methyl phenidate has a synergetic effect on alcohol? SWIM would love to see some reference.

[lineartransform]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

Alcohol is a depressant and methyl phenidate is stimulant. SWIY is saying methyl phenidate has a synergetic effect on alcohol? SWIM would love to see some reference.

Depressants and stimulants don't just magically cancel out to make you sober. This is bordering on ridiculous - of course there's a synergistic effect, and you have first hand experience with it and your friends reporting it to you.

Why do you have such a hard time accepting this?

[This is bat country]

What, no one has mentioned the hepatosynthesis of ethylphenidate yet?

SWIM says:

Ethylphenidate is synthesized hepatically (read: by the liver) when alcohol and methylphenidate are consumed together (orally), and is more potent than both. I've been doing it all night and I'm fine, but I am cutting myself off very soon. I hope you avoid all ER ritalin forms or you will be awake for the hangover from hell. It's also rough on one's body. Be wise, and stick to SWIYs 20mg MPH.

[A Mad Tea Party]

SWIM has found this to be an amazing combination, due to the fact that (like the combination of amphetamine and alcohol) it makes for a far more coherant and physically 'grounded' feeling of intoxication, while still retaining the outgoing and reckless nature of alcohol. It also allows SWIM to relax and mellow out somewhat while enjoying the euphoric rush from the Ritalin. Stimulants and alcohol have become a favorite of SWIM's.

[Combination]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

Alcohol is a depressant and methyl phenidate is stimulant. SWIY is saying methyl phenidate has a synergetic effect on alcohol? SWIM would love to see some reference.

It certainly has, look up Ethylphenidate (poster above me also mentioned this ofcourse!)

[XxGiOxX]

I'm a first time poster LONG time reader. Swim has generic Ritalin 20mg that he takes daily. Swim eats one and snorts the other. then proceeds to consume Vodka for the day. (Days off of course ) MY question is. 2 part, How much Ritalin can swim snort before the membranes in the nose are coated and Ritalin becomes non effective. (IE: pointless to take)

2nd...Whats the better bio availability method swim wants to know. To ingest 2 20mg tablets, or snort? Swim heard tums helps to keep the effect lasting longer in the stomach do to not being eaten up by the Acids in swims tummy.

Ohh and Thank you....

[mbarnes0]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

SWIM had 20mg of methyl phenidate with 56g EtOH (about 4 x 12oz beer)

I was curious to whether you can actually get just Ethanol in gram preparations, or is this just a fancy way of saying how much alcohol you have consumed?

[Stimulants]

Originally Posted by mbarnes0

I was curious to whether you can actually get just Ethanol in gram preparations, or is this just a fancy way of saying how much alcohol you have consumed?

That's the way its expressed in scientific writing. "one drink" could mean anything from 12oz of 3% beer to 16oz of 7% beer. "xx drinks" is not an accurate expression hence the supplementary expression.

I have no idea what you're talking about by "gram preparations".

[Hollow Hippie]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

That's the way its expressed in scientific writing. "one drink" could mean anything from 12oz of 3% beer to 16oz of 7% beer. "xx drinks" is not an accurate expression hence the supplementary expression.

I have no idea what you're talking about by "gram preparations".

He was asking how you got the measurement for the amount of grams of ethanol in a drink (when you said 56 grams.)

[mbarnes0]

Yes I was talking about the 56g part. Thank you for the information. I have never seen it written like this before.

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by Stimulants

That's the way its expressed in scientific writing. "one drink" could mean anything from 12oz of 3% beer to 16oz of 7% beer. "xx drinks" is not an accurate expression hence the supplementary expression.

I have no idea what you're talking about by "gram preparations".

1 drink = 1 12oz beer (4%) = 5oz wine (12%) = 1.5 oz hard liquor ( 40%). (yes, it could be +- a few %)

Grams of alcohol consumed aren't helpful if you aren't writing scientifically; they make it harder for people to understand how much alcohol you actually had. Yes, it's dumb but thats how it is. You had one 16 oz of 7% beer? Call it 2 drinks and save everyone the confusion.

[dark12]

As previously mentioned this combo is responsible for the formation of ethylphenidate.
SWIM thinks methylphenidate is the best thing to combine with alcohol. Lots of euphoria and energy without the tweaking. Best of both worlds.

[XxGiOxX]

Dark12, the combination of an SNRI Cymbalta and alcohol does not inhibit the euphoric effects? Specifically the SNRI is what Swim is concerned with. Does an SNRI Potentiate or reduce the effects of Ritalin. THAT is the question SWIM is realy interested in, not all this off topic scientific stuff about grams and alcohol. keep it simple and more importantly On topic. Swim thanks everyone for their input and knowledge.

[XxGiOxX]

No one knows if an SNRI/SSRI either inhibits or potentiates the effects of Ritalin? Seriously?

XxGiOxX added 1 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

And obviously alchohol is drunk Daily, all day every day. =) Swim has such a tolerance with the Liquors. but thats besides the point, "To SSRI or NOT to ssri for a day, while taking Ritalin." Kthxbye...