Dose - Mephredone-small daily intake "for" weight loss- risk!

[craig121]

Hi all,

Looked back in this forum and nothing's ever been covered about using Mephredone sensibly for size loss in big venus fly traps.

My wife whom is 43 and on the larger more beautiful(13st+) 5ft6 but has
alway's struggled with her weight and has next to no energy all day for 10years,life seems a depressing battle for her, lying in bed sometimes crying for nothing. she even arranged surgery which I convinced her to cancel, the problem is this fly trap makes her unhappy.

She has stuggled so badly and even been told she's clinically depressed and has been taking prescibed high daily doze of prozac for over 11 years but feels she's been living under a cloud with no emotions.

The problem! I always's think she has been teased for years about the weight & look of her venus trap, other plant growers bullied her & tormented her through her early years that her's was always big & ugly, so she spends hours pruning it to make it look nice but this also causes it's own problems.

Last week a freind gave her some mephredone to try with all the safe legal stuff you hear, and she blow just over 1G into the fly trap, she noticed the fly trap was intantly much happier over the course of that evening and even continued into the next day.

She also noticed the fly tap was not so hungry, it closed it's mouth and was no longer looking for flies @ all, it also seemed so contented she was soooo happy that she never bothered to take her prozac and seems to be having no problems.also plans to STAY of the PROZAC hopefully forever

I read that blowing the Meph into the trap daily not such good idea long term and she should maybe induce to keep the plant safe happy.

She agree's this could be better even though the plant liked the other way, she plans to administer a lowish doze of roughly 100-150g a day to the fly-trap for 6 weeks to help it loose 2 size's where it might win the annual fly trap award that she so wants.

She also thinks the plant might be happy with a higher doze when we take it to shows about every 2 weeks roughly 500-1g.

I am very concerned with what I have read, that although the plant seems happy and despite trying every other herbal costly remedy possible to man,
this meph has been the only thing that has ever made the fly-trap not each so much flies.

The plant is healthy & been on NO other FOOD apart from herbal stuff you can buy from any store so no issues there.

It has been advised by me the plant is to be given lot's of water and vitamins during the 6 weeks.

other than this I am only wanting to see the plant healthy & happy,

I am also wondering what everyone's thought' are about the daily dosage to the delicate plant over the next 6 weeks, the plant has never shown any fixashin or addiction problems in past other than normal food.

Any advise please, But I do not think the she be happy to be told not to give any to the fly-trap as this would make her have no hope, as every other avenue to make the plant look nice has been tried, even tying it so it cannot catch any flies.

Thank's for reading this far!

[Benga]

is this post about meTHEdrone or mePHEdrone (4MMC ) ?
there's really a big problem with the similarity of these names

[craig121]

I am not sure and can see why there is confusion,

She was told it was Mcat so guess I have posted in wrong place as it should be under Mephedrone

Thanks for pointing this out.


craig121 added 14 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

Sorry for the confusion, do not think there is an edit option or delete message,

But it is defo Mephedrone/MCAT. and I appear to have posted correct forum, but original post is indicating the wrong substance by naming methedrone

[RDP]

Can't she get pills from a GP, there are loads of compounds that are much better tested than 4mmc, doctors will help regulate the course and understand risks from experience with log term use, I'd not risk it with something recreational and especially new.

Appetite suppressant medicines have been researched for years.

[craig121]

Thanks

She has been several types of anti deppresants(seroxa/effexor/prozac)from doc over the 10years, all the varrying affects mostly it makes her zombified and does nothing for her well being and will to achieve or have energy and go, they just keep her in a dormant state of mind.although it is better than the suicidal feeling's she was getting before the prozac but I think anti depressants are not a cure just a way for the docs to fob the real problems and issues away.

I am just curious although highly unlikely that other's are giving small quantities to there plants on a daily basis over a long peiod of time and what the affects might be other than the risk of dependancy by the plant, what is the longest periods of time people have kept there plants on Mephedrone & what quantities

[shadowchaser]

the dangers will be the same as any long term use of stimulants, including particularly the dangers associated with long term high blood pressure, ie stroke, heart attack etc.

as an interesting aside, the fact your flytrap has been taking prozac and mephedrone and still got noticeable effects from it lends more weight to it being more on the Dopaminergic side of things than on the Serotonergic side of things.

[sententia]

I think you can somewhat separate the recreational use of aspects of mephedrone and the appetite suppresant effect. Observing my plants I can say that it only requires small amounts 25-50mg to produce an appetite suppresant effect which lasts 8-10 hours. If I were to extrapolate to a human I would say that this may confortably allow to eat a restricted diet 1000-1500 calories a day and thereby achieve steady weight loss.

[Maxfrombx]

Reports about problems occuring with mephedrone seems to highlight the fact that dose accumulation over time is an important factor contributing to these problems.
No one know if there's a toxic accumulation of some sort, or else, in the body.

In addition, daily intakes would mean rapid tolerance and increase of dosage.

SWIM cannot see here an healthy way of dropping pounds, especially on the long term.
It reminds him Requiem for a dream, with the mother going psychotic by using amphs to drop weight...

[beejee]

Mephedrone being a research chemical, there are no studies to answer your question, you will be testing mephedrone to see if it does have any non-recreational properties (reports suggest that negative experiences are a result of taking excessive amounts of mephedrone).

swim thinks that if your fly trap was to keep to the doses you suggested (though maybe more thought and a few tests with your fly trap to conclude an appropriate sized dose), for only 6 weeks, then the only problems your fly trap would encounter would be when the trial is finished and your fly trap would start eating again and fall back into their old routine.

But if you used mephedrone as a source of motivation to kick start your fly trap into a healthy (both mentally and physically) routine in which the side effect would be losing weight, i.e eat a healthy amount, daily exercise, etc then maybe mephedrone could be a good option.

[psyche]

I'm not advocating the use of untested research chemicals, but to be realistic, what are the chances that some very radical and unexpected toxic effects are suddenly found that are not typical to stimulants in general? That doesn't happen very often. Mephedrone has been used a lot. Daily use of any serious stimulant carry risks, such as cardiovascular stress, malnutrition, dehydration.

Sorry for not having much else to add to this thread, but this has always bothered me. Anecdotal evidence can be pretty strong too IMO.

[lineartransform]

This is idiocy. Are you very confident this is her idea and not yours?

Realize that the lack of hunger is an early effect and disappears quickly with tolerance of the compound. You'll get maybe a week or two tops of effects before you have to up the dosage considerably. In addition, there is a significant "bounce back" with mephedrone where users will eat FAR more the next day in order to keep tickling those dopamine receptors. This is not a long term solution, or frankly a solution at all.

[terrytonic]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

This is idiocy. Are you very confident this is her idea and not yours?

Realize that the lack of hunger is an early effect and disappears quickly with tolerance of the compound. You'll get maybe a week or two tops of effects before you have to up the dosage considerably. In addition, there is a significant "bounce back" with mephedrone where users will eat FAR more the next day in order to keep tickling those dopamine receptors. This is not a long term solution, or frankly a solution at all.

Very well put. SWIY wants to loose weight? Eat less and move more. It's as simple as that. It just isn't easy and takes will power.

Taking this chemical for everyday for ANY reason is indeed idiocy.

[Mona Lisa]

If SWIY were aiming to lose weight via an RC, SWIM would recommend small doses (40-60mg per day) of BZP. It has a much longer-acting effect than mephedrone, including suppression of appetite and increased energy.

[Maxfrombx]

Mephedrone being a research chemical, there are no studies to answer your question, you will be testing mephedrone to see if it does have any non-recreational properties (reports suggest that negative experiences are a result of taking excessive amounts of mephedrone).

...or during a too long period of time. Anyway, what's true is that the potential weight-loss will soon be regained when stopping meph.
Addressing such a complex issue of depression associated with overweight with such a violent method is numb, in SWIM's opinion. Chronic depression is the result of a poor self-image acquired by several past experiences.
Using SSRI is already masking the problem.
Using standard stimulants is only a temporary solution that backfires when one has drained his already low dopamine level.
Using meph for this purpose is even more reckless than using amph, or even coke, in SWIM's opinion.

Don't want to be like giving lessons here. SWIM already tried to use M1 at low dose during the day. Bad results anyway. Only the jitters and anxiety, no smooth effect associated with the higher doses, like being all the time on the comedown.

[EDIT]: SWIM wants to add that that kind of strategy also often leads to an erratic diet. SWIM was pleased at first when he saw that he could control his appetite with kratom, but it was not long to find out that finally he was skipping meals, eating poorly, and was on the opposed path of an healthy way of life. He felt good, but all his friends were commenting about how bad he seemed to deterioriate physically.
Lesson from drug-coping strategies: no magic pill, you have to love yourself first.

[bosshallucy]

Diet and excercise. Not only does this help with weight loss its helps with depression too. This idea of using meph is similar to giving SWIYs dog daily doses of methamphetamine to lose weight. The dog would shed a few pounds but what are the negative consequences?

[WTF O_o]

Craig, tell your big fat venus fly trap to join a bloody gym, actually research a good training programme (i mean an actual training programme, not just walking on incline treadmill 20 mins a day with unlimited sit ups) and get her to research how to actually eat properly (not crappy 0% fat diets with 50 calories a day)

People who look into chemicals/stimulants for fat loss will achieve nothing

Knowledge is power. if she actually knows what to eat and why and what the benefits of exercise are, and what sitting on her arse eating chocolate whilst popping pills does to her she'll be more that willing to get up and do something about her weight

[quintile55555]

Give your amply-proportioned venus fly trap ONE decent-size dose, enough for her to bounce around grinning from ear to ear.

Then tell her that if she ever wants that particular brand of plant feeder again, she'll need to get some good exercise (important) and eat properly (even more important).

There's not a terrible chance that the positive changes in mood and self-esteem she'll experience from exercise and proper diet will make her feel so good she won't even want the mephedrone again.

[bLuE]

the appropriate answer is
meph is usually a recreational substance for plants
one has no idea what impurities are cut in the plant food (daily use=BAD)
there are much more appropriate substances for your needs.
you probably want to pick something with FAR less addiction potential for daily use.

[10outof10]

A related compound, dimethylcathinone also known as dimethylpropion, was trialed as an appetite suppressant but never widely marketed-would be interesting to know why? SWIM doesn't know. A more widely used suppressant is known under the name Tenuate which contains diethylcathinone. This lists many of the contraindications that could be expected for mephedrone.

It seems to SWIM that this is a actually a fairly high dose for the plant to use if only to suppress the plants appetite, this is more a dose associated with the plant getting a high.

As others have mentioned, sure it may do the job of slimming down the plant as most stimulants would do if used as appetite suppressant but what it won't do is deal with the issues that have caused weight gain in first place. If there is no lifestyle change then weight will not stay off and that will only trigger further depression and feelings of failure. Also SWIM would say the links of depression and weight gain are common as SWIY's comfort eat and don't go out enough to get exercise. Seemes to SWIM that the battle with weight could be more connected to how the plant is feeling and if this is the case there is no quick fix. SWIM would suggest counselling or therapy of some sort. Perhaps something like cognitive behavioral therapy may help.

SWIM feels that self medicating is never a good way to go, particularly if you don't have the knowledge of side effects and possible contraindications with other meds. There seems to be an air of desperation from the plant and you and it sounds like you both need support and not pills or powders..

[MrG]

Please would the OP edit the his post to correct the use of g and mg as it currently states a desire to administer 100-150g a day instead of mg.

As already stated, it sounds like a terrible idea. There are no safe levels of administration of this substances as it is a research chemical and is not proven as being safe for human consumption.

There already exists many weight loss supplements (e.g. Hoodia) that, unlike snake-oil products of the past, do actually work. This is infinitely more preferable than what is being suggested.

Saying that, a trip to the doctor to request a weight loss management program under supervision would be even better.

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Good answer, and well done mentioning Hoodia Gordonii

[craig121]

Many thanks for all your honest opinion replies,

Firstly just to point out the dosage was to be 150-200mg, And a quick reply it was in no way suggested or even agreed by myself, Swim has never ever gave anything to her plant before so this was a total shock for me, myself never dabled hence why I asked for help here.

Swim has been administering the said doses for just over 2 weeks now with amazing results regarding her appetite.

I know how many of you guys feel about swim, and I also agree about getting herself of arse and excersising, swim is 43 yrld do you not think she's not tried everything possible to combat weight loss with depression plus also not diagnosed she suffers from a compulsive eat disorder whereby she never feels full after eating.


Although I am sceptical what is to say this drug should not be the next biggest thing for controlled weight loss, I have never in 25yrs seen her so disinterested that even the smell of a fatty takeaway premise can bring on nausea.

Swim eats her breaky(porridge) along with 2 bits of fruit, then light lunch, then time to feed the fly trap, which lasts until next morning.(unbelievable for swim)

Am very interested in sententia stating 25-50mg might be enough to keep hunger at bay for up to 10 hours.

Yes it is unresearched and not probably ideal, but swim has agreed no longer than chrissy which would mean a total of 8weeks! then hopefully her stomach will have naturally shrunk and her cravings lesser, we both plan to excersize after new year.

Am genuinely concerned but also behind swim on this one so long as it's controlled, swim has been monitoring heart rate with no adverse affects, I will keep you posted if there is any change.

P.s in 2 weeks so far swim has went from 13.6 down to 12.9 and looks very healthy.

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	excuses, excuses. an eating disorder replaced by an addiction is not any better.
	This seems crazy. A weight problem is preferable to a Mephedrone problem

[lineartransform]

Originally Posted by craig121

Am very interested in sententia stating 25-50mg might be enough to keep hunger at bay for up to 10 hours.

Please realize an implicit assumption in your argument - that the effects of mephedrone will continue in the same manner at the same dose. A 50mg dose will hold off hunger in a naive user for 10 hours. In a tolerant user, perhaps an hour tops.

There is a distinct "honeymoon" period with mephedrone. If you continue this, please realize that it cannot last forever and you must must must have contingencies in place for the inevitable time when the effects become weaker and weaker.

Are you going to increase dosage? Increase frequency? Have you consider the addictive potential of this and the reinforcement for this you are creating by scheduling doses?

This is an incredibly bad idea, but unfortunately your error will only become apparent in a month or two after the wreckage is visible. You won't listen to me, but you should.

[terrytonic]

Originally Posted by craig121

I know how many of you guys feel about swim, and I also agree about getting herself of arse and excersising, swim is 43 yrld do you not think she's not tried everything possible to combat weight loss with depression plus also not diagnosed she suffers from a compulsive eat disorder whereby she never feels full after eating.

After reading the above my monkey feels that it would be highly irresponsible for SWIY to even suggest that a substance such as mephedrone should be used by this SWIM.

An eating disorder and depression and SWIY wants to add the daily use of mephedrone into the mix?

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Sound advice

[slow_boy]

I agree with the above. SWIM can understand people taking RC's for recreational purposes every now and then. SWIM does it himself, but to take an unknown chemical on a daily basis as some kind of supplement or slimming aid is unbelievably reckless. SWIM does not think this will end well and that SWIY should reconsider.

[Maxfrombx]

SWIY is asking for advice but seems to go its own way anyway... What's the point?
Of course there will be results in the short term, obviously.
SWIY is taking a really wrong path, despite the consensus here.
Your plant is 43, there's a good chance she won't reach 45. Even if, she'll have to deal with worsts symptoms than her initial depression when getting out of meph.
SWIY is messing with her dopamine, not good. Big depression will follow in the medium/long term.
Anyway, she'll be the first plant to be the ginea pig taking meph on a daily baisis for several months.
Meph will probably be banned quickly however. No disrespect, but your plant hasn't tried everything, there's lots of ressources available which are really effective with dealing with the core issues and flushing them for good.
Please consider the fact that there's a good chance your plant is accumulating toxic metabolites days after days with this strategy. And a daily intake will make the honeymoon very short.

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AMen, this plant needs to change her ways.