I Think I Crush My OC TOO Much

[JBRONCFAN]

This post is for the more experienced OC consumers. Been a fan
for a few years and have quite a tolerance. Part of tolerance is
the extra enzymes your liver creates to metabolize the OC, more
enzymes, more OC you gotta eat for the same effect. Like most, I
crush mine but lately I've been finding that, if I just crack my 40's,
like a spider web look to them, I get better results. I"m
wondering if it's in my mind or maybe someone here has had the same
results or experienced the same thing?



Also, what have you guys done to enhance your OC experience? I've tried the grapefruit, tagement myself.

[unreality]

Are you snorting them? Or eating the crushed up pill? If you are
snorting, you want to crush them as much as possible. Eating, it
probably doesn't matter that much, just make sure to take the time
release coating off.

[dopefiend]

There is no time release coating. The coating is only colour, you have to crush the pill to break the time release.

Peace,

Jesse

[JBRONCFAN]

I agree, there is no coating on them. Time release is due to the binders, not the "coating'.



I eat them only. I tried but I NEVER have enjoyed them by
snorting them. I have some friends that do and like it that way.



Tried eating a few without breaking them at all, no go. Barely
felt them. Seems like when I just crack them enough to put the
spider web design on them that they work the best. Thought
someone here may be able to concur.

[daveman]

hm, i dont see how by 'spider webbing' them woudl make you feel them more, as with all pills, if its smashed up your stomach can absorb them much quicker since it has less matter to break down.


BUT then it depends on your definition of 'better results' could mean a higher high, or a longer lasting effect. personally i prefer snorting them, the high is nearly immediate and its fuckin great lol sorry

[JBRONCFAN]

Yea, like I said, tried but never felt anything when snorting them.



Technically, I am crushing them when I give them the spider web
design. The idea being is, they are not totally smashed but not
taken whole either. I tap the pills with a hammer until they
crack pretty good but not fall apart. I have been worried that
I've been destroying them TOO much, making it too easy for my stomach
acids to destroy them and not get any effect.

[daveman]

if its easier for stomach acids to absorb them then you would feel it much quicker and much more intensely, how much did you snort? ive always felt more from snorting than eating, a combonation o fthe both is great

[JBRONCFAN]

Snorted an 80.

[skeeber]

This may be stupid, but I've always felt that if I try to swallow a finely crushed pill, half of it stays in my mouth and only half reaches the stomach. Maybe this has something to do with it???

[daveman]

wow you snorted an 80 and didnt feel anything? i cant believe that , ive had both oxycotin and 93/33 and they both give me the desired effect when i snort them, and an 80 is a quite large ammount even for a somewhat experienced opiate user (2 - 3 months straight) although it really depends on your tolerance.

[JBRONCFAN]

The ideal situation for me is this. 3 of my 40mg oxys. I
take a square piece of metal and lightly tap it with a hammer. It
crackes the pills perfectly, a nice spider web effect. I have
found that, if I crush them to powder, I feel as though my stomach
destroys too much of it and don't really feel it as much. If I
eat them whole, mildly feel them over a long period of time but when I
tap them just right, I get a good rush that lasts for hours.

[smilla]

im sorry but eating oxy's is a waste of time and believe me no rush comes out of swallowing any opiate...you want a rush shoot something, but if you want to keep your life together then keep eating them. Snorting an 80 is a good amount for an experienced and tolerant user...if that didnt work for you then you should just stop doing oxy's...taking them orally will last longer but you will need to take more

[Curtains]

JBR- try crushing up a oxy and sticking it in apill capulsefrom like a diet pill


My theory is that when ur spider cracking it, ur braking the time release but since its still together its all absorbed at the same time. But with swallowing the powder its probably not all making it to where it needs to be at the same time. Putting the crushed up oxy in a pill capulse it all gets to where it needs to be and since its powder it sill absorb more easly

Just a theory but i just remember doing this with my DXM powder and it would always hit me harder in a pill case then when i just ate the powder

[PrideKills]

I don't think there would be any difference in "spider webbing" or
powerding the pill. Both would have the same effect, and oxycodone is
well obsorbed orally, so I don't think your stomach acids would cause
any problems.

[JBRONCFAN]

Hmmmmm, so, powder it up and put it in a capsule, eh? The capsule
will help survive the digestion process and hopefully discharge all at
once further down the line. Anyone want to chime in here?
I'll give it a try tomorrow. What's the best source for a
capsule? I would assume a drug store would sell them,
maybe. I hate to pull apart a medicine that is in capsule form
cause they won't go back together tight ever again. I think GNC
sells them. I work at a mall and there's a GNC, we'll
report on this tomorrow night.

[bigt]

gnc or like a herbal health store for capsules...

[JBRONCFAN]

I also believe in the theory that the oc works better when it all hits
you at the same spot. Example, an oc dice up into 4 equal parts
is going to absorb into your system at 4 different places whereas a
whole OC, slightly crushed, all will absorb in the exact same spot in
your system, giving a greater effect.

[adobe45]

That coating is a time release thing... you will crap out the shell eventually.


It comes off very easy though- just get it damp and it wipes off- then you can crush away

[Sektor]

stuck a oc up swis's arse, worked well!

[mkalner]

The coating on an Oxy is merely a protective agent, the time release mechanism is broken down when the pill is crushed, the two are directly proportionate, the more you breakdown the pill,the faster the absorbtion of the oxycodone. Since oxycodone is water soluble, administration by injection produces the best result for initial results, of course the duration and onsetof the drug will last longer when administered orally. When taken as prescribed and not crushed, the O.C. will of course supress the withdrawl syndrome, but you won't feel what you really wan't. Edited by: mkalner

[JBRONCFAN]

Some people on another board reported seeing a "matrix" of some sort in
the toilet 12+ hours later after taking oxycontin. They also said
they never saw it with generics, only brand name.
I've been through countless threads where people stated, including
myself, that generic was for shit and brand name was always the
best. YES, an oxycodone is an oxycodone is an oxycodone but
someone else made a good point. Purdue Pharma spent millions
developing a quality time release method and that is what
differentiates it from the generics. Think about it. They
created a way to pump a steady dose of oxycodone into your system for
12 hours. We all know we never get 12 hours, maybe 6-8 but the
point is the same.

[gremlin182]

The above posting is correct, as is another above. Oxycodone from PF is coated with a shell that slowing dissolves down to a fine webbing, with small holes being produced from your stomach acids. ALSO the oxycodone is bound with waxes just like MS Contin to furhter give time release effects. So the pill itslef has two mechanism for time release, the shell, and the medicine bound to waxes. Thus crushing the pill, or cracking the shell, circumvents one time release method, but their also is the other mechanismk of the med being bound to waxes, so the above posts are all somewhat accurate, but know that their exists two mechanism for time release built into the pill.

[Be-Bop]

Stomach acids WILL NOT DESTROY your opiate....a chemist will interact an alkaloid base WITH HCL to form the salt of the drug, ie Oxycodone > Oxycodone Hydrochloride...the Human body processes the SALT form of a drug much faster than the BASE of that drug! So your stomach acids are NOT a factor in this 'problem'..like some of the other posters, i want to know, "Are you talking about the initial effect, OR duration, when you say that the pills 'work' better when cracked?" If it is duration, & if, as lots of people have said- the 'time-release' component is in the binders of the pill- maybe the 'cracking' of the pill speeds up the drugs onset, but at the same time, still stretches out the effects?


Me, myself, personally..i would just shoot the fuckers! But i don't have much experience with Oxycontin..so what would i know anyway?


Be-Bop

[gremlin182]

SWIM knows MUCH technical details on OC from certian drug reps. Just so everyone here has ALL the info, YES, the drug is bound by wax binders, BUT also, the outer shell is a time release capsule itself. Cracking only serves to eliminate the shell, and does NOT allow for instant asorption of the OC, you have just taken away one of two means that the drug uses for time release. Now, Be-Bop is right, you can't destroy the OC by crushing so don't fret.


NOTE: the new generics, WITHOUT a hard outer shell now exist. How then does one form use a shell, and the other doesn't? Simple, the generics have bound the drug with binders (like MS Contin) AND have encapsulated it further on a micro scale, and if you crush it up you can see these pebbles than contain the drug/binder mix. So for any form of OC, there are TWO methods of time release, that is why the drug lasts so long, and how they put so much OC in one pill, AND if you can extract the OC, that is why thestuff is so strong! Any questions?

[JBRONCFAN]

Yes, I read on another forum basically the same thing. This,
someoene said, had come from a PF rep who was taught the way OC works
inside the body. Approximately 1/3 of the oxycodone content gets
absorbed in the first 45 minutes, the remaing 2/3's gets absorbed into
the system over the next 10 hours or so.



What about tolerance? We're all talking about how to make the OC
last longer, work better. What have you done to combat
tolerance? Many people say enzyme enduction causes
tolerance. Liver creates more and more enzymes to metabolize more
and more oc. There's a newer theory out that says the body, in
response to the constant taking of opiods, the pancrease puts out it's
own opiod ANTAGONIST. It's always doing this in response to our
taking opiods but in very small amounts. Well, that amount
increases over time. Enzyme in particular is CCK. You'll
see many poeple on the boards talking of a substance call, proglumide,
which is a CCK antagonist(stops the body from making CCK). It
used to be prescribed for unlcers a long time ago. It has been
discovered that taking proglumide along with opiods almost doubles the
opiods potentcy. Google "proglumide" and you will read the many
reports on the subject. What have you guys done to beat
tolerance, besides stop taking the meds?