Smoking - How To Smoke It Right And Why It Matters

[braddubya]

Swim is very experienced with salvia and has perfected its use (in swims opinion) down to a science. Swim can even make plain leaf work just as good as others who use the ridiculous 20-180x which is about as overkill as hunting squirrel with napalm.

Only a few simple but crucial things need to be remembered

1. NEVER use anything over 15x. Swim is dumbfounded by the amount of people who tell swim they have tried 60x and felt nothing. The bottom line is that if swiy does it right 10x will be more than enough and 60x will make swiy blackout and sometimes physically flipout.

2. Use a water pipe. Its harsh and needs to be smoked hot so this should be self explanatory.

3. Use a torch style lighter with the fame on the material for the entire duration of the hit. Salvinorin A has a VERY high boiling point (around 700 degrees F I believe) so a regular bic just wont do it unless your adding alot of oxygen. Cant tell swiy how many times swim has had to waste perfectly good salvia trying to teach a know it all MJ smoker how to do it right. Just getting an ember is not what you want...KEEP IT ON THERE!

4. Breath out before hit and take in an entire lung full. Then after clearing suck in one more gulp of fresh air to get it all down. This will maximize swiys experience and minimize the cost as well as provide an efficient way to gauge your dose by keeping the intake volume and heat consistent.

5. Hold it in until swiy feels dizzy. Usually over 30 seconds. It takes time to absorb but if swiy holds it long enough upon exhaling all effects will come on strong even with regular 1x leaf.

6. Environment is crucial. Even though swiy may not even realize where swiy is, cues from their surroundings WILL influence the trip. Music is also very important to many. Swim has seen people go from good to bad as soon as a song changes. Make sure swiy has something upbeat playing and in the event of a bad trip has instructed another to turn it off and dim lights as a bad salvia trip can be unimaginably terrifying.

7. Last but not least, ALWAYS HAVE A SITTER! Swiy should never smoke salvia alone or with another person under some influence. Swim has seen people stand up and walk into walls and doors as well as fall off couches onto the floor. This can be dangerous as even in a very painful event the person tripping will not come out until its over so others need to be monitoring.

Thats about it. The last golden rule which im sure anyone reading this already knows is do not post a video of a trip online. Everyone of those videos gets salvia one step closer to being banned nationwide. It also gives salvia its misunderstood image of being dangerous. Salvia has been used safely for thousands of years and swiy should try to keep it that way.

braddubya added 5 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

Addition:

Dosing will vary from person to person and its potency but a good place to start is with a full bowl leaf and inhaling the whole thing or a large bowl of 5x, less than a half bowl of 10x etc etc and then tweak from there

Reputation Comments on this post:

	clear and well written
	Its about time someone got all this together.
	Greatest post by a new poster I've seen, ever. Awesome contribution, it should be stickied.
	While the topic has been covered, many, many, times, this is the best, most succint layout of the information, Grade A w...
	This has been covered many times before. Adds nothing new. And no, you don't need a torch lighter!

[RainbowStorm]

Thanks for finally posting this. The info is allready around the salvia forum but its all sketchy and is sometimes not true. All of what you have written is completely true i'll second you on it. We should make this thread sticky is that possible admins/mods? This could be the thread where everyone adds their ways of getting the best out of salvia?

Salvia is a very complex substance and cant just be smoked for a laugh out of no where, you have to know what your getting into and treat it with respect.

Im going to add one more, to your list w/o anymore chronological order...

8. When SWIY gets into it, welcome it with open arms and don't sit their trying to resist it.

RainbowStorm added 1352 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

I also want everyone to have this link to allready existing threads in drugs-forum.com all on smoking, most of them have some worth, but take only what is put in this thread as what to go by. (im not saying the information is wrong in those threads, Im just saying here it has a better construction and has been spell checked/fact checked no offense intended for those posters.)
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Four hundred milligrams of Salvia divinorum leaf produces quite a lot of smoke, and it requires several large inhalations to consume it all. Because salvinorin A is rapidly metabolized in the body, it is essential that the full dose be ingested within a two to three minute period. It is also essential that the smoke is absorbed as efficiently as possible, otherwise much of it will be wasted. People vary in their ability to inhale and retain large amounts of smoke. Some people have no trouble obtaining strong effects from ordinary, non-enhanced leaves; others find it very difficult.

When smoked (in the ways described), the effects of salvia can be overpowering and overwhelming. If it is your first time trying salvia use the table below to find the dosage you should start at:
normal salvia leaves: 1/2 - 1 gram
high grade salvia leaves: 1/4 - 1/2 gram
salvia extract 5x: 1/10 - 1/3 gram
salvia extract 10x: 1/10 gram
salvia extract 15x: 1/20 gram
salvia extract 20x: 1/20 gram

I was looking at this and all its saying is how to get exactly the same dose for each extract, no change in potency whatsoever. You can deduce from this that its going to be better on your lungs to get higher extracts, but is going to hurt your wallet more

Salvinorin A requires a high temperature to vaporize. This can be easily achieved by making certain that the leaves are in direct contact with a flame the entire time that you are inhaling. When inhaling, hold a flame directly over the bowl of the pipe so that the flame is drawn down into the leaves as you inhale the smoke.

Use a torch-flame lighter. Many people report better results when using this type of lighter. These produce a very hot torch-like flame that causes rapid combustion of the smoking material and hence produces more concentrated smoke. Because of the extra heat generated by these devices, it is important to use them in conjunction with a water-cooled smoking device.

Dry leaves can be smoked in a pipe, but most users prefer the use of a water pipe to cool the smoke. The temperature required to release salvinorin from the plant material is quite high (about 240°C). A regular flame will work, but the direct application of something more intense, such as the flame produced from a butane torch lighter, is often preferred.

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One of the most informative posts on salvia I read so far.

[Benga]

hi
I stickied the post yesterday, as though there's nothing new it's nice to have a simple layout.

however, the logic is warped for the Xfactor extracts, unless we're speaking of standardized extracts.
it all depends on the original potency of the plain salvia leaves to begin with.
such recommendations are really relative, and really i wouldn't advise anything over 15X, it starts getting really fishy.

on ecould make X40 with weak leaves, it doesn't really make much sense, especially since higher dosages of effectively strong extracts would require really precise scales (say for X40 or X60) which most people won't have.
there's a few good post by Alfa on the subject btw, in these threads which is are also stickied

Salvia Divinorum extract basics.


standardized extracts are something else (known salvinorin content), but rare and expensive

also keep in mind that the torch lighter recommendation is quite debatable, and actually debated in a couple of thread.

thanks

[Nemba]

Hey, not to be a dick or anything, but SWIM is pretty sure that it just does not affect some people. SWIM has taken, out of a 1.5 litre buckie, with butane lighter (and tried normal ones, when these were not available), holding in all the smoke, a massive hit, of 40x, the same thing disastrously messing up everyone else in the room, and felt absolutely nothing. Nada. Short of a sore throat and a headache. Swim is experienced with various forms of smoking, understands the physics involved, and followed exactly the same things which had many other people completely destroyed, yet to this day, after maybe 10-15 proper attempts and another 10 halfhearted ones, felt absolutely zero effects.

[Benga]

if the smoke is properly inhaled rapidly, and different material has been sampled with no success, this might be due to one's own metabolic response, Savlia divinorum affects mainly the kappa-opioid receptor sites, and there are known differences in individual's response to their stimulation.
that said, being "immune" to salvinorin is virtually unheard of, but less sensitive, yes.

b

[braddubya]

Im glad people have found this useful.

I would also just like to note that swim is not saying it cannot be smoked without a torch which swim even explained in the original post. Swim himself has even had success with a bic. Its just easier and more reliable with a torch. You can obviously take an aggressive hit and introduce enough oxygen to boost up the temp BUT you will still be hovering around the boiling point of salvinorin, which is fine but much less optimal than using a torch which starts out at well over 1000 deg F.

Swim was never saying this is the hands down only way you can possibly experience salvia but its a way that works extremely well and if followed will lead to positive repeatable results.

Swim also knows from experience that low heat will not vaporize salvinorin. For example swim has used this high boiling point to his advantage. You can make a VERY crude extract by simply heating salvorin up to a temp that will vaporize other parts of the plant but not the salvinorin. Swim discovered this on accident when trying to vaporize the salvinorin itself in a beaker. The smoke was harsh and yielded no high what so ever but the remaining material was fairly potent.

Swim personally believes using a standard lighter and not heating it properly is probably the cause of at least 70% of all salvia failures. It is why some people move to the higher extracts. When you are not getting it hot enough for long enough only a small fraction of the salvinorin is being vaporized so if on average you are only getting 20% vaporization then you will need 5 times as strong of an extract for the same effect.

If you have only tried smoking salvia using a regular bic swim highly recommends trying the steps outlined above. It may not be more effective than what you are doing now but swim can guarantee it wont yield anything less.

(This is a general statement to all who are reading and not directed at anyone specific)

braddubya added 7 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Nemba

Hey, not to be a dick or anything, but SWIM is pretty sure that it just does not affect some people. SWIM has taken, out of a 1.5 litre buckie, with butane lighter (and tried normal ones, when these were not available), holding in all the smoke, a massive hit, of 40x, the same thing disastrously messing up everyone else in the room, and felt absolutely nothing. Nada. Short of a sore throat and a headache. Swim is experienced with various forms of smoking, understands the physics involved, and followed exactly the same things which had many other people completely destroyed, yet to this day, after maybe 10-15 proper attempts and another 10 halfhearted ones, felt absolutely zero effects.

How long did swiy hold in the smoke?

Swim would recommend trying 10x following the steps outlined above. Swim has never seen anyone who feels nothing after smoking it this way. Swim has also helped several "immune" people experience salvia by simply making sure everything is done right. For example swims good friend tried 60x several times previously with no effect other than a mild discomfort and by following the steps above has now spoken a language unknown to mankind after taking a bowl of 1x foliage. Its all in the technique.

[RainbowStorm]

Originally Posted by braddubya

Im glad people have found this useful.

I would also just like to note that swim is not saying it cannot be smoked without a torch which swim even explained in the original post. Swim himself has even had success with a bic. Its just easier and more reliable with a torch.

Yes and the torch dosent just improve smoking the salvia it also makes the experience more safer because it removes the risk of you suddenly losing touch with reality and dropping your bic setting your jeans on fire.