Effects - if swim has a bad trip on shrooms, will he also have a bad time on other tryptamines?

[nitrogen]

swim has horrible trips on shrooms so he never does it, but if he did other tryptamines, like LSD, DMT or other ones, think he'll have a bad time?

he's so afraid of shrooms he probably won't try other tryptamines unless he gets enough advice on the subject


its not fun where shrooms leads him anymore... more like hell

[quintile55555]

When SWIM bad trips, it's almost always because he didn't properly dose.

When using psychedelics, SWIM starts out with a small dose and slowly works his way up. That way he doesn't get the "OHMYGOD I'M GOING TO WAKE UP IN A PADDED ROOM!" panic that can come with unexpectedly strong effects.

Controlling the dose is hard to do with LSD but with other drugs like 5-MeO-DMT or DMT, the doses are measured in milligrams so if SWIY buys a decent scale and weighs out the stuff before putting it in the pipe, he should be good to go.

[Budha]

SWIM believes you will find the mind state prior to and the setting in which SWIY has the experience is far more pivotal to the direction the trip will take than the dose or your specific brain chemistry.

However, typically the higher the dose the likelier a trip could go terribly bad, but it could also be amazing. At a higher dose things can spin out of control very fast, this can either be identified as good or bad, and it is this identification that will determine the flavor of the experience. At least in SWIMS experience.

[Tornasunder]

There are a number of different factors which can effect a trip. Fundamently these consist of set and setting. Swim finds he can usually change the course of a trip if things are going the wrong way. If Swim noticies things going badly, simple things like changing the room or the music can have a massive effect on the atmosephere. When trying new substances always start with small doses especially if Swiy has current reservations. Make sure Swiys in a comfortable environment and preferably just with close mates, people Swiy can trust. Make sure Swiy is fully educated on the drug before Swiy takes it and swiy should be fine, just be positive about it and have a good time.

[chaos69]

Has swiy tried any phenethylamines since these bad mushroom trips? Or are mushrooms the only psychedelics swiy has tried since? For swiC bad trips that are triggered by previous ones are usually caused by a build up of anxiety which causes fear and panic which can lead to some extremely bad hallucinations. Regardless of what type of psychedelic is used. A long break helps. long enough so they emotions of fear and what not are not still fresh when swiy think of the past trips. Also for swiC a milligram or two of Clonazepam about an hour or so before taking the psychedelic really helps prevent the anxiety and hence bad trip with out taking away from the experience. Whether or not this will work for swiy I can't be sure. Also having some type of anti-psychotic on hand it always good to abort if necessary. If swiy does decide to try others than definitely start with small doses because you should be able to tell if theres signs of potential bad trips.

[bLuE]

SWIM believes that SWIY's mind must be ready and eager to accept the experience. he should wait until he is excited about tripping, use a small dose, in a conrolled setting. no responsibilities, no deadlines for the trip to end. swiy hould have a trip sitter or trip buddy, he should pick someone that is experienced, the more experience the better. but a calm and optimistic person is the best, that is the optimal state of mind while tripping. for SWIM anyways.
SWIY should plan the trip not just dive in louey gooey, have an agenda of activities or a mission or goal for the trip, it helps. for example "SWIMs mission for the trip is to better understand nature." then when swim is tripping he has the mission to hold him together, it wont let swiy down. just dont take it too seriously. it can be quite rewarding and enlightening.

[Oxymorphone]

One good way to keep a trip under control is to repeatedly remind yourself that you took a drug. It makes it easier to recognize when things are going wrong and identify the effects the drug is having. In doing that, SWIM usually finds he enjoys what is happening regardless of what he was thinking before. Even if it's an evil drug like AMT, and he's throwing up, he becomes fascinated by the specific effects of a drug (..once the throwing up is finished) and finds he has no bad trips doing this.

The exception to this is Salvia, maybe because SWIM underestimated it, and was putting way too much extract in the bowl. With salvia the transition is too abrupt to realize what is going on, at least, that's the case for SWIM.

[ianzombie]

Originally Posted by nitrogen

swim has horrible trips on shrooms so he never does it, but if he did other tryptamines, like LSD, DMT or other ones, think he'll have a bad time?

he's so afraid of shrooms he probably won't try other tryptamines unless he gets enough advice on the subject


its not fun where shrooms leads him anymore... more like hell

What dose's have Swiy been taking and in what setting has it?

Taking large doses without first becoming slowly used to the effects of mushrooms (by starting off with small doses) could easily flip someone out. Also, if Swiy is somewhere that they don't feel comfortable or with people they don't trust this could also effect the whole experience in a negative way.

Swiy's frame of mind at the time is also important. If Swiy is upset over something, or worried or stressed out then this could easily follow Swiy into their trip and the mushrooms could easily exaggerate these feelings.

Swim does not like to let a bad experience put them off. Swim will wait as long as it takes for Swim to be in the right place at the right time with the right attitude and give it another shot.
Swim has found that it takes himself a lot longer to get over a bad (hard/upsetting) experience by dwelling on it than it does to confront it head on.
This might be a strange comparison but thinks its similar, if Swim was with a girl and for some reason they could not preform, they could spend the next month worrying about it and make it into something that it should not be, dwelling on it and making any future encounters a failure OR they could get right back out there have a great time and take control of the situation again leading to many many future successes.

Swiy could always try other substances like LSD and have a truly great time, but at the same time Swiy could also carry over their fears/worries to this too.

Swim hopes that Swiy has an enjoyable, positive and especially rewarding experience soon.

[cra$h]

Keep in mind that every trip will be different, even if it's the same drug. You might have had a bad experience with mushrooms, but if you take it in a different setting (a bright sunny day in a small field surrounded by trees and secluded is best IS(wim's)O) it might be the best day of your life. And in the event of a bad trip, swim has found that relocating and wrapping himself up in a blanket can turn a trip right around. Plus being around happy people who are good to trip with is a must. A good person to trip with is one who will inspire deep thoughts and listen to whats on your mind. Just remember that if you're buggin you gotta listen to the person who's trying to help you out. By not listening to this person they'll get pissed off and say ya know what, go fuck yourself.

As for what psychedelic you try, it won't be much different. It's all about set and setting. A different drug might give a new optimism, a new chance, but it won't be that difficult to relate it to a bad experience, turning the current one bad.

What swim would do is take any psychedelic, for him he'd want to take the one that scares him. Just make sure it's a rather low dose. If swim only had 1/6oz when he had a bad trip, only eat a gram. The effects will be very little, but it'll be a nice stepping stone to reach the higher doses. But if all his friends are taking something like LSD and they each take 2, swim would suggest buying two, and taking one. Most likely you'll want that second one, but make sure you wait until you know you've hit the peak. Wait a good 4 hrs before redosing. Swim wouldn't recommend DMT or salvia. With these kind of psychedelics you need to be willing to let the drug completely take over, and by trying to control it will only lead to a bad experience.

Oh, most importantly, believe that there's no such thing as a bad trip. Just overwhelming information. This is what swim's done and he's done pretty good with it. With each trip he tries to learn even at rough moments and it turns out that what most would consider a "bad" trip ended up being a very powerful learning experience.

[terrapinzflyer]

psychedelics are not for everyone.

Without a LOT more info, it would be irresponsible to even guess at the route cause(s) of swiy's previous bad experiences with mushrooms.

As far as tryptamines- the smoked forms tend to be very shory lived (matter of minutes) but also very intense. Others, especially those combined with an MAOI such as ayahuasca brews, tend to be as long or longer then mushroom trips.

Turtles aardvark would say LSD and mushrooms tend to be the gentlest. Many people do seem to find mushrooms harder then LSD for some reason the aardvark has never quite understood, he always thought of them as "jolly vegetables".

And while setting and dose are both very important, so is the state of ones mind. People that have mental baggage tucked away, unresolved issues, people that tend to repress and lock away emotions...these are people that can have some of the most profound, life changing experiences with psychedelics, but are also the ones that can have some of the worst trips.

Should also say, if swiy has any family or direct history of mental illness, psychedelics are generally not advised.

Good luck- if swiy chooses to continue down the path would recommend, as others already stated, do so in a good safe setting and start slow...as a friend of the aardvarks used to say "increments...it's all about increments"

[Sarah_Palin]

Originally Posted by nitrogen

swim has horrible trips on shrooms so he never does it, but if he did other tryptamines, like LSD, DMT or other ones, think he'll have a bad time?

he's so afraid of shrooms he probably won't try other tryptamines unless he gets enough advice on the subject


its not fun where shrooms leads him anymore... more like hell

Not necessarily.

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[twoiko]

My cats mentioned this before in my dreams:
"I would say that shrooms are the worst psychedelic to take a lot of. I find I can't take more than 2g of average shrooms before I just get sick and confused to the point where it's no longer fun.

Any other tryptamines/psychedelics are usually perfectly fine for me, LSD is just so different but definitely more similar than Mescaline or 2c-*s but not enough for it to be bad at all. LSD gives me more Ego-loss and helps me at least get over the fact that I'm really fucked up, you know? Like Shrooms let me keep my primal fear even at the highest doses but I could be dieing on a large enough dose of LSD and I'd still just be happy that the ceiling looks like an ocean...

I dunno, just my experience with the subject."

[ness33]

Swim agrees completely. He has had 2 bad trips out of 5 shroom trips but even the good ones didnt seem that enjoyable. But once he tried lsd he fell in love. A little anxous at first but pretty much impossible to have a bad trip.

[skunkjar]

My crazy neighbour tells me that many of his mushroom doses over 1.5g have had "bad" parts to them. It is a shame because he LOVES the feeling he gets on 1-1.5 grams of mush.

This is strange because he has had nothing but beautiful experiences with DMT in doses of up to 75mg, and he has had probably 500 great trips on LSD with varying doses up to 15 hits over the course of a day. That being said, if you aren't able to handle what mushrooms do to you, you might not want to jump right in to DMT...

As mentioned by quintile55555, dose is a HUGE factor. Your mindset before you trip and the setting where the trip takes place are just as important. For example, if you are in a lousy mood and in a place where you have to deal with other people and distractions you probably won't have a very good time. If you are feeling OK and you are out in the woods with nobody and nothing to bother you you'll probably have a good time. Obviously this is opinion, but my neighbour swears by it.

My neighbour also wanted me to say that alcohol and mushrooms don't go together as well as they seem- the alcoholic "confusion" makes the mushroom "confusion" even more intense, and he drinks all the time.

Also you didn't mention if you are on any medication, as prescription MAOI's could increase the potency of any given dose by a large amount.

No matter what be safe and fly brightly!

[bLuE]

Originally Posted by skunkjar

on LSD with varying doses up to 15 hits over the course of a day.

taking hits an hour after the first dose have basically no effect, the tolerance lasts for three days. 15 hits throughout a day is a big waste of LSD.

[sweetsweetmary]

Originally Posted by nitrogen

swim has horrible trips on shrooms so he never does it, but if he did other tryptamines, like LSD, DMT or other ones, think he'll have a bad time?

he's so afraid of shrooms he probably won't try other tryptamines unless he gets enough advice on the subject


its not fun where shrooms leads him anymore... more like hell

SWIM has found shrooms to be the most likely chemical to cause SWIM to have a bad trip as well. LSD tends to be alot more controllable. Although LSD bad trips never tend to lead you back. SWIM had bad trips on LSD that lasted weeks. Shrooms bad trips always taper off, but tend to be completely uncontrollable. SWIM will be in a great atmosphere enjoying SWIM's self then shrooms will take SWIM places that are so eerily weird. SWIM feels that tryptamines tend to all have this ability. SWIM thinks what you might be looking for is phenethylamines, which tend to come with a warm, type of rolling feeling with the trip. Or possibly a tryptamine that isn't so unpredictable like 4-aco-dmt. SWIM would also recommend to SWIM possibly trying 2c-c. If swim bad trips off of these, then swiy might consider putting pyschadelics to bed.

[bLuE]

someone doesnt believe in psychedelic's tolerance??

"swims experience would have him believe otherwise"

it IS a waste... anyone with half a brain would understand that the only way to get full effect from the LSD is to take all the LSD at once... hahaha, having said that id like to see how swiy reacts to 15 all at once! please dont rep when swiy doesnt know what they are talking about.

bLuE added 992 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

whoever keeps giving me neg reps - why dont we disscuss this like adults?
obviously someone is misinformed about LSD tolerance... its not something one would understand from "experience". although im really starting to doubt this person has any....
tolerance goes up after 1 hour. dont believe me? lets fight about it!
it is a WASTE of LSD to take it after this one hour mark, BECAUSE you wont feel the full effect of the dose.... some effects maybe, but it IS A WASTE. jesus....

[chaos69]

Although swiC feels neg rep for saying you build tolerance to LSD soon after taking is a little ruff, lets try to keep this on topic as the thread is about bad trips not tolerance. I would recommend further discussion on that via PM or in its own thread.

Has SWInitrogen attempted this yet? Any luck? Just remember if swiy has doubts about it don't do it because swiy'll be going in with the wrong mindset.