Experiences - Violent psychosis from mushrooms

[niggaprecious]

A friend of mine recently took magic mushrooms for the first time.
He took a whole 1/8th, which SWIM thinks was too much for an initial dose. After they took effect, him and his group of friends proceeded to go to a house, where people would also be drinking and taking MDMA. Next thing they know, my friend appears to be in a unconscious state laying on a bed. Everyone present at the house was watching him. He began to have sex with what he believed was a girl, moaning and then proceeding to touching himself. He suddenly got up, announced his hate for a girl present at the house, punching her and causing her to drop. Everyone was shocked, and somewhat frightened by the way he was acting. He was saying things that made no sense, talking in childish and demonic voices, and was attempting to grab knives out the kitchen to do who knows what. He started swinging at the host of the house (who is actually his good friend), and at this point everyone realized they had to do something about this. They contemplated between tying him up and throwing him in the bathroom, or calling the police. After realizing the fact that physically handling him could worsen his state of psychosis, they decided it would be a good idea to call the police if he didn't calm down immediately. Next thing they know, he punches a hole in the wall, breaks a window with his fist, and smashes a lamp against the wall. Before they could even call the police, a cop was already there, probably from a neighbor. He approaches my friend to apprehend him, and ends up getting pushed kicked in the chest. He must not have realized what he was doing, considering the the fact that he would never hit a cop under any circumstances. The officer was finally able to cuff him, and he was hauled off on an ambulance to the psychiatric ward. The host of the house has to leave the broken objects intact for the police to use as evidence. My friend called us today explaining that everything that took place that night was all just a dream. He denies that it ever happened.

Keep in mind that my friend is a pretty normal and sane guy. I've never seen him act this way under any circumstances, and I feel bad that he's in this situation now. My friend and SWIM have had multiple drug experiences together, and SWIM would have never thought in a million years he would have this type of reaction from mushrooms. Although he actually does hate the girl he punched, he never would have even admitted to hating her in a sober state of mind. It's strange, but he didn't seem the least bit psychedelic.

What I'm wondering is, what caused him to react in this way?
Why was he able to remember that he hates the girl he punched, when he appeared to be in such a confused state?
Why did everyone say he was really strong and intimidating while he was tripping? (SWIM is anything but strong while on shrooms, more of the opposite)
What kind of charges could he face, and does the fact that he was on drugs affect his sentencing?

[fnord]

Has your friend taken other hallucinogenics? Some people do not react well to trippy drugs at all and they should just avoid them, seems like your friend might take heed of this and avoid them in the future.

[niggaprecious]

Originally Posted by fnord

Has your friend taken other hallucinogenics? Some people do not react well to trippy drugs ate all and they should just avoid them, seems like your friend might take heed of this and avoid them in the future.

He's used 2-C-E, and MDMA (hardly psychedelic IMO).

He's used high doses of DXM as well, which SWIM considers much more frightening than mushrooms. That's just SWIM though.

niggaprecious added 1 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by anonuser30500

Almost certain your Swiy friend has had some kind of mental breakdown, hopefully a temporary one caused by the very powerful mental distortions that can occur with mushrooms.

As for charges, if you can persuade the police that the Swim was 'spiked' or took the substance unknowingly, then its better than admitting to using a drug which would mean the cops will not be sympathetic and see your friend as assaulting them or at least being under the influence of some illegal drug.

Swim has seen a few bad reactions to hallucinagenics, including police having to restrain trippers from attacking people whilst hallucinating. It is not unusual for this to happen.

Swim knows several Swims who done some insane things on mushrooms and were lucky to live to tell the tale. Some not so lucky either. Sadly the effects of mushrooms are likely a trigger for underlying conditions, schizophrenia being one.

Needles to say do not ever attempt to take any hallucinogenic if your less than 100% in your own well-being. Just feeling 1% down could easily become 99% down as hallucinogenics distort thinking, and not always in a positive manner.

Mushrooms are very powerful. Your Swiy friend has learnt that and should never use again.

Also you should seek legal advice. Maybe writing to the cops involved to apologise and so on. A solicitor would know what to do and best that anyone who has taken drugs and fought officers of the law gets some sound legal advice.

How can someone unknowingly consume an 1/8th of shrooms?

[anonuser30500]

Originally Posted by niggaprecious

How can someone unknowingly consume an 1/8th of shrooms?

Omelette or stews, soups and definitely a curry.

In Swims pond the pack would pick dry and powder preparations. Capsules.

Some even took to brewing up the mushrooms and sieving and filtering the liquid. Imagine boiling a few hundred mushrooms then just finding you could slip it into a hip flask - add rum to taste.

People do get spiked on mushrooms.

Maybe your Swiny can get a drug test, as anyone who was spiked might worry.

It is a defence you can work on.

Swim is assuming the officers know the difference between drunks and people on hallucinogenics.

[thegooddr]

Originally Posted by anonuser30500

Omelette or stews, soups and definitely a curry.

In Swims pond the pack would pick dry and powder preparations. Capsules.

Some even took to brewing up the mushrooms and sieving and filtering the liquid. Imagine boiling a few hundred mushrooms then just finding you could slip it into a hip flask - add rum to taste.

People do get spiked on mushrooms.

Maybe your Swiny can get a drug test, as anyone who was spiked might worry.

It is a defence you can work on.

Swim is assuming the officers know the difference between drunks and people on hallucinogenics.

the cop walked into a house full of people off there heads mdma and shrooms, what's he gonna say?
"i see one of your friends cooked you some stew when they were out of there face on mdma and put shrooms in it and you were just having a few drinks at the party. you poor guy ill tell you what let me have a word with the judge ill tell him to take it handy on you."
the cop and the judge will see straight through a bull shit spiking story and trow the book at him for trying to fuck them around, they hear them every day of the week.

[niggaprecious]

Originally Posted by thegooddr

the cop walked into a house full of people off there heads mdma and shrooms, what's he gonna say?
"i see one of your friends cooked you some stew when they were out of there face on mdma and put shrooms in it and you were just having a few drinks at the party. you poor guy ill tell you what let me have a word with the judge ill tell him to take it handy on you."
the cop and the judge will see straight through a bull shit spiking story and trow the book at him for trying to fuck them around, they hear them every day of the week.

Agreed.... especially since my friend is highly unlikely to get a decent attorney LOL

[anonuser30500]

Almost certain your Swiy friend has had some kind of mental breakdown, hopefully a temporary one caused by the very powerful mental distortions that can occur with mushrooms.

As for charges, if you can persuade the police that the Swim was 'spiked' or took the substance unknowingly, then its better than admitting to using a drug which would mean the cops will not be sympathetic and see your friend as assaulting them or at least being under the influence of some illegal drug.

Swim has seen a few bad reactions to hallucinagenics, including police having to restrain trippers from attacking people whilst hallucinating. It is not unusual for this to happen.

Swim knows several Swims who done some insane things on mushrooms and were lucky to live to tell the tale. Some not so lucky either. Sadly the effects of mushrooms are likely a trigger for underlying conditions, schizophrenia being one.

Needles to say do not ever attempt to take any hallucinogenic if your less than 100% in your own well-being. Just feeling 1% down could easily become 99% down as hallucinogenics distort thinking, and not always in a positive manner.

Mushrooms are very powerful. Your Swiy friend has learnt that and should never use again.

Also you should seek legal advice. Maybe writing to the cops involved to apologise and so on. A solicitor would know what to do and best that anyone who has taken drugs and fought officers of the law gets some sound legal advice.

[Rottenfruit]

Last month swimmy was on shrooms and sleeping in his bed and then cops come in with a arrest warrent,

See swimmy does not know remember this just the securtiy video,the bl, swimmy apperantly went to the parking lot and started to "fight"the cars, after the fight swimmy had severily damaged over 20 cars
Swimmy thought it would be a good idea to cut himself un purpose and smearing every car he won in fight with his blood leaving endless dna on the scene , plus fingerprints

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by Rottenfruit

Last month swimmy was on shrooms and sleeping in his bed and then cops come in with a arrest warrent,

See swimmy does not know remember this just the securtiy video,the bl, swimmy apperantly went to the parking lot and started to "fight"the cars, after the fight swimmy had severily damaged over 20 cars
Swimmy thought it would be a good idea to cut himself un purpose and smearing every car he won in fight with his blood leaving endless dna on the scene , plus fingerprints

WHAT? How much shrooms did swiy take? And did swiy blackout completely?

[niggaprecious]

Originally Posted by Rottenfruit

Last month swimmy was on shrooms and sleeping in his bed and then cops come in with a arrest warrent,

See swimmy does not know remember this just the securtiy video,the bl, swimmy apperantly went to the parking lot and started to "fight"the cars, after the fight swimmy had severily damaged over 20 cars
Swimmy thought it would be a good idea to cut himself un purpose and smearing every car he won in fight with his blood leaving endless dna on the scene , plus fingerprints

After SWIY woke up, did he then realize he was wounded from cutting himself?

What kind of charges is SWIY facing?

[g666d]

the police decide what charges to lay, but i would assume assault on an officer, unless police very understanding where you live. Tell your friend to get a good lawyer - it may be better for him to swallow the assault charge and claim alcohol intoxication rather than admit to use of an illegal drug. Not sure though.

Brains are weird. Psychedelics are strange, and can initiate a whole lot of unpredictable responses from different individuals. If you imagine we are all just trained monkeys then easy to see how a disrupting chemical can have different perceived effects depending on how the individual adsorbed their training (ie 20 x 28 = 560, some people will multiply 28 x 2 and add a zero, others will do 20 x 30 and subract 40.) What was going on in his mind? did he believe he was doing the right thing? did he believe he was possesed? swiy would know better than swim, swim believes it was still his own psyche expressing itself but with a lack of controls that normal rational thought provides. His experience is not typical, so i would assume it is something unique about his character (or possibly brain chemistry!) that caused this.

Swim has had friends who gained mushroom psychosis, but different circumstances. One was absolutely fine, creative, non-violent individual beforehand, but after daily dosing for a period of months he experienced dark voices and compulsions to murder his friends.

It could be the animal part of our brain ascertaining potential threats and reverting to the most active of responses... swim doesn't know.

Swim has a friend who is diabetic, and when his blood sugar goes low (i think its low, maybe too high, but pretty sure low) he loses much control of his cognition, and will violently react to anyone or anything near him - except his partner, parent or close friends (not me! i would get punch in the head!!) These people can placate and calm him down, and get him meds. It seems that the bond he has with these people is pretty well entrenched in his mind, and even in 'animal' state he can recognise them as friends. Swim presumes the same for his most hated of enemies, they would be well recognised and reacted to moreso than a stranger.

Swim seconds what fnord said, but thinks if he does ever re-dose it should be a fraction of what he had last time, with a close good friend to help talk him through whatever comes up. Swim thinks that such dosing may be a healthy thing for him, repressed emotions are shit and sounds like he has a few ("he would never admit to hating her...")

But swim never enjoyed his mushroom trips either... just bad internal stuff, so he doesn't really do them anymore. He will one day, but it will be with close friends. Swim can dose on LSD no-fing-worries though, so is weird.

Swim thinks the nasty side of trips can be a helpful and useful way of objectifying problems and defining situations. For him, even his bad trips had things to teach him, and connections about what is valid and real were made quite clear by experiencing nasty thoughts and visions. Some people are quite unsustainable in their vision of themselves and swim believes psychedelics can cause an abrupt realisation of failibility - quite distressing for most people (if they previously convinced of opposite).

all is only swims opinions, and valid as any other imagined stories you find on net... (swim means, don't take his word as god's truth, and feel free to point out discrepencies )

[fnord]

Mixed in tea? mixed in alcohol as a mean prank? chopped up and added to food? A very BIG blowgun dart?


As said i would recommend that you don't admit you ingested these on purpose. here in my state intoxication is not a defense unless it was unwilling. IE: an unexpected reaction to medications or someone drugging you.

[niggaprecious]

Originally Posted by anonuser30500

Almost certain your Swiy friend has had some kind of mental breakdown, hopefully a temporary one caused by the very powerful mental distortions that can occur with mushrooms.

As for charges, if you can persuade the police that the Swim was 'spiked' or took the substance unknowingly, then its better than admitting to using a drug which would mean the cops will not be sympathetic and see your friend as assaulting them or at least being under the influence of some illegal drug.

Swim has seen a few bad reactions to hallucinagenics, including police having to restrain trippers from attacking people whilst hallucinating. It is not unusual for this to happen.

Swim knows several Swims who done some insane things on mushrooms and were lucky to live to tell the tale. Some not so lucky either. Sadly the effects of mushrooms are likely a trigger for underlying conditions, schizophrenia being one.

Needles to say do not ever attempt to take any hallucinogenic if your less than 100% in your own well-being. Just feeling 1% down could easily become 99% down as hallucinogenics distort thinking, and not always in a positive manner.

Mushrooms are very powerful. Your Swiy friend has learnt that and should never use again.

Also you should seek legal advice. Maybe writing to the cops involved to apologise and so on. A solicitor would know what to do and best that anyone who has taken drugs and fought officers of the law gets some sound legal advice.

Originally Posted by fnord

Mixed in tea? mixed in alcohol as a mean prank? chopped up and added to food? A very BIG blowgun dart?


As said i would recommend that you don't admit you ingested these on purpose. here in my state intoxication is not a defense unless it was unwilling. IE: an unexpected reaction to medications or someone drugging you.

This individual is NOT me, but actually a friend.
I'm going to tell him to use the blowgun dart idea in court

[EscapeDummy]

Originally Posted by niggaprecious

My friend called us today explaining that everything that took place that night was all just a dream. He denies that it ever happened.

What do you mean, he denies that it happened, that it was all just a dream? He's facing criminal charges, how can he say this? Did swiy's convince him that no, it indeed was very real? Because that's quite a childish way to act afterward.

[niggaprecious]

Originally Posted by EscapeDummy

What do you mean, he denies that it happened, that it was all just a dream? He's facing criminal charges, how can he say this? Did swiy's convince him that no, it indeed was very real? Because that's quite a childish way to act afterward.

He's in denial, and can't cope with the situation. Obviously he knows everything isn't honky dory, considering the fact that he's in a psychiatric ward AND he's fully aware of it.

He's having a hard time understanding why he actually did these things, because he wasn't consciously aware of his actions. He looks back at the night as a dream. You know how you can't always make decisions in a dream? things kind of just happen and you appear places or do things by default.

[jeepack]

I also beleive these things are caused by underlying conditions... Not saying swiy was crazy or something. But most of us have repressed issues. I used to until a realized them in a catharsis process when I was 19... Things I didn`t even know bothered. So since we all have some of those, the thing is they don`t all affect us in the same way. One could develop cancer, depression, or just low self-esteem from having issues that are undelt with, it`s really a case to case thing. And I`m guessing this is what happened. Perhaps, if the dosage would have been a bit smaller, your swiy would have still badtripped but might have not went through all the assaults. Maybe it was something that just had to happen. Hallucigenics are a funny things. Why some poeple will badtrip and other not is like asking why some guys get all the girls and others are still virgins. It`s a personal thing in my mind. You rmental state is soooo important to your perception of a situation. I once hallucinated that I was bird in the sky from just being hi on pot, but my mind was so at one with the universe that day that when I heard the bird`s sound, it was if my consciousness went right into that birds head. Your swiy was in a house where there was a girl he hates. Maybe she was on MDMA, and doing things that irritated him, in a way.... And doing shrooms at a party is not a good idea in the first place, many people will attest to this. Conditions were perfect for a badtrip if you ask me. And those who didn`t, were just on there good day and felt pretty good in their skin perhaps.

jeepack added 4 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

Oh! Just had a flash!

If this person was YOU! And not a friend of yours... then I would suggest that people at the party who saw you could have perhaps handled you in a way that agravated the situation. Although MDMA people are usualy very open to helping someone who is feeling good. But as for all the assaults, maybe those were provoced. So if your question is why the badtrip happened, that`s a different thing than if your question is WHY DID THE BAD TRIP LEAD TO ASSAULTS? Because if that`s your question, and you were the one badtripping, you have to look at the question holisticly and see that what happend during the badtrip could only have been the result of what was in the setting at the time.

A gild was punched, but SWIY hated her. So in a way, that`s not really crazy, it`s just having no self-control or self-restraint. And trust, me if you punched a girl at a party where people were drinking, it`s very possible that some people roughed you up after, not giving a shit about your state...

[thegooddr]

sounds like a hell of a night lol,
you all realy should of restrained/beat him after he hit the girl and tied him up, but whats done is done.
id safely say your friend is fucked for hitting the cop. id say he could do jail, i would not say he took any drugs but if i were him. from all your first reactions of ringing the cops as aposed to giving him a good kicking + the mdma you all took id say you were open with the cops and told the them all that happened and he had taken some shrooms? is this correct?
if you did not tell the cop about the shrooms tell your friend to say he never drinks because he is on strong meds (dont say what kind just say strong med to the judge i would not think he will ask) and he drunk on top of them and cant remember a thing that happened. if the cop wants you all to go witness dont, tell him nothing just keep saying no comment. you dont have to tell him anything, do not make a statement. it will only go against your friend. i dont think an apologie will do much to change your friends case but i guess he could try.
escape is right your friend is acting very childish he should own up to what he done to him self that is, he sounds like one to be watched.
as for the cop i put it down to karma, besides thats what hes getting paid for.

[niggaprecious]

The police and the psychiatric ward already know he was on shrooms.
He was obviously and profoundly intoxicated when the police officer arrived.

[thegooddr]

Originally Posted by niggaprecious

The police and the psychiatric ward already know he was on shrooms.
He was obviously and profoundly intoxicated when the police officer arrived.

so the cop has a full account of what happened, yeah it's a sticky situation swiy friend has got him self into, but at the end of the day no one's dead.
things could of turned out a lot worse if he had of got his hands on a knife when the cop arrived, he could of killed the cop. or worse again, the cop could of killed him.
swim knows it sounds a bit harsh what he said in his last post to of beat and tied him up, it could of mentally scarred him for a while but so could jail perhaps even worse.
how is swiy friend doing now, is he severely disturbed or is he just been keept in for assessment?
swim would say swiy and friends should talk to a solicitor, if your friend is severely disturbed and not just in for assessment (sometimes over weekends/bank holidays the psychologists are short staffed, its a bank holiday here in ireland this weekend is it one in canada?) he might not be fit to stand trial and could just end up for a bit of a stay in the psych ward. which would be the better of the two for swiy friend for sure.

[niggaprecious]

After 72 hours, my friend was released from the psychiatric ward with no charges against him.

[g666d]

holy shit! very understanding police, cool.

[fugazi32]

Originally Posted by niggaprecious

Why was he able to remember that he hates the girl he punched, when he appeared to be in such a confused state?

My gosh, that trip report sounds like he was on PCP!!!
Hate & fear do not mix well with psychedelic drugs, one needs to be in the correct mindset & environment, in these substances lies either heaven & hell - the enhance whatever emotions the user is going though. Sounds like your friend just had other problems on his mind at the time & just took Mushrooms at the wrong time & in the wrong place...sorry to hear.