Smoking - Datura

[Water]

Would it be possible to smoke datura leaves to reach the hallucnigenic
effect or does one have to make a tea in order to gain the effects from
the leaves. And, if possible could someone give me a good dosage for
someone who is about 5 - 3 and about 110 pounds.

[Water]

Can you dry datura leaves and flowers in the micorwave or and oven, or
will it destroy its hallucnigenic properties if i dry it that way.

[cactus]

When i make datura tea i place 2 flowers in 1 litre of water and simmer for 15 minutes, i only ever drink 300ml or less but im a little bigger than you (160 pounds). A good starting dose for me is 180mls, it wont give you full blown effects but it will definately show you how this drug works. Im not sure about the use of leaves but i suggest you dont try anything untill you know for sure what your doing, there are many horror stories about misuse of datura.


Make sure you have a sitter for this, dont do it without one.


And go to erowid and read the datura vault, it has heaps of info.

[sunyata]

Keep in mind that Daturas can vary a lot in potency, there are no known dosages because of this. It would be a good idea to start with a very low dose and work your way up from there. If you're smoking it the effects should come on quickly, but if you're ingesting it, it will take a couple of hours to come on.


Be carefull, read all you can find about it and have a sitter present.

[Water]

I am almost positive it is datura inoxia, all of the leafs i have
obtained are about 2 - 3 in. across and about 3 - 4 inches in length
how many leafs should i use for a tea?

[Softrat]

First of all be carefull with Datura and all delirient halucinogens.


I have never smoked Datura, but Ihave done it orally.


I have ben told that smoking Datura is actually the safest way to do it. You must watch your dose however as you can still get into great trouble via this route as well. From what I have ben told the second you feel even slightly differnet when smoking Datura you must stop smoking there and smoke no more.


If I was going to smoke Datura I would start with very small amounts and work my way up.


Datura not only varies in potency, but people vary alot in their sensitivity to delirients in general.


Delireients are one drug where you must have a trip sitter to watch you. It doesn't matter how well you handle other drugs. Delerients are nothing like other drugs. They truely do induce a state of temporary insanity, and this why they are so dangerous. Also they are very physically toxic. Do not take delirients in the heat of summer. Your ablity to cool down isimpaired when on delirients.

[cactus]

Water: my recipe was for inoxa, sorry i should of stated that.

[Water]

I used about a 2 inch cut of a leaf in about a fourth of a 20 ounce cup? is this good or bad.

[cactus]

I have no idea, but your definately asking for trouble ingesting a drug as potent as datura is without knowing exactly what your doing.


Be careful, you may end up like this guy.

The 18-year-old, only named as Andreas W, from Halle in Germany drank a tea made with the hallucinogenic angels' trumpet plants.

His mother said: "Andreas was behaving normally the whole day until he left the house and disappeared into the garden for a couple of minutes."

When he returned to the house he was wearing a towel wrapped around him and was bleeding heavily from his mouth and between his legs.

The emergency doctor who arrived a few minutes later said the student had cut off his penis and his tongue with garden shears and it was impossible to reattach the organs.

http://www.newworlddisorder.ca/blog/..._nwd-blog_arch ive.html

[mescalifornia]

be careful with datura. i've never used it but from what i understand, a transdermal approach is the best, for only scopolamine(the less toxic tropane)will go through the skin, while atropine(more toxic)and others don't enter the system. i guess you need a fat or oil medium in order to do this.


I would say if you are really curious about datura, you might be able to afford one trip. I had a friend who "jimson fried" one to many times and was never the same person. he was "perma-fried" like he had no attention span and was always spaced out to the max.I would almost use the word insane. so be extremelycareful.

[AcmeSewageCo]

I have used datura quite a few times... Mainly datura inoxia... I tried several different ways to obtain it's ... Powerful hallucinogenic properties by smoking... But they never worked... I discovered that smoking the plant... Did nothing... Nothing worked except tea... And grounding the entire plant into a paste... The tea trip lasted me about... 5 days... I had horrible liver and kidney pains afterwords...And was unprepared the first time... I really wanted to die on that trip... I recall being foolish enough to walk outside... After being kicked out of every local pub I ventured into... I found myself in a city and world I had not known before... My friends and family and other people I had met previously would float above me... Talk to me... And when I talked back they would dissapear... I would see dozens of people in a crowd... And when I got closer they would transform into other objects... Fire hydrents... Etc... I sawquite a few men and women transform into cats...I saw rockets flying around... Commets... It was just overall a very very shitty experiance...And every time I've done it... I just have never seemed to get a good trip... So I've given it up... I'll leave datura to the lucky ones... Smoking the plant... Bah... Never done me anything... Tea... Tea has given me one time a 6 day "trip"... If it can be even called that... The hallucinations areto realistic I don't like seeing my friends in shitty situations when I trip... And I had a friend recently in the past year who ended up stabbing himself while on the plant... I'm glad I've quit using it...

[PenguinPhreak]

Yes, datura can be extremely dangerous. A trip sitters is absolutely
necessary. I don't mean it's a good idea, it is an absolute necessity.
Its nearly impossible to measure a reliable dosage due to the varrying
alkaloid content from plant to plant, so it could end up being a very
very long intense trip. The trip is so intense you won't be coherent
enough to keep yourself out of danger, in many cases you completely
loose touch with reality. I surely wouldn't recommend using datura, if
you want to try a deleriant it would be much wiser to start with
diphenhydramine or dimenhydrinate.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Datura is not recommended. But that wasn't the question.



Datura can be smoked, chewed, taken orally as tea, and can be made into
a salve which is applied topically to skin, and it will be absorbed by
the skin.



If you really must play with this stuff, despite all the warnings, smoking is the safest route of administration.



I like to smoke it 50/50 with cannabis, but I stop smoking long before
I get delerious. It does add a nice new dimension to my
smoking pleasure that way.



Actually, the drug warriors call mushrooms. lsd, tryptamines,
phenethylamines, and cacti hallucinogens. This is innaccurate, as
none of them produce true hallucinations. They just change your
perception of what is already there.



Datura and brugmansia ARE the true hallucinogens, even though the
"experts" (AKA people who talk through their ass and have never
actually done this stuff) call them deleriants.



The true definition of a hallucination is seeing, hearing, smelling,
and tasting things that are not there. This is what datura and
brugmansia give you, true hallucinations, and this is what makes them
so dangerous.



Also keep in mind that these plants cause amnesia. If you succeed in
taking enough for a trip without killing yourself from OD or from any
actions you may take while under the influence, you will not remember
any of it after you come down. What fun or use is a trip you
cannot remember?



Please, if you must play with this stuff, stick to smoking it.

[mescalifornia]

hey i just recently, and unexpectedly i might add, had an experience with datura, i can can vouche that it is halucinogenic to the extent that you can touch and feel your halucinations. I attribute a dream i had to datura but it could well be coincidence. I merely touched the stem of a large datura, perhaps enough to recieve a minimal transdermal dose, and had a dream trip. this is how it happened:i was trying to fall back to sleep after having awoke to use the bathroom.after out 15 minutes, my cellphone rang which wasstrange because i knew i left my phone on silent(1st clue that something was askew) when i went to pick up my phone, it was not my phone at all(2nd clue), but was an older model that was very weird and unlike any cellphone i'd ever seen. Calling me was Scopolamine!!(no joke) and it was writen in ascii style art(3rd clue). at this point i was very excited and quickly a halucination of a figure rendered before my eyes with detail and lifeness beyond anything . not only could i touch the figure, but i could feel its life energy or something profound. all in all, this was eith a placibo dream based on the idea of datura, or a datura induced lucid dream. there were waves of deleriumthrough out, but was managable.afterward, i watched "shadow people" on the wall move about. note, i was using breath counting techniquesbefore.


anyone have any ideas? related experiences?

[Softrat]

I remember my Datura trip, or at least most of it!


The problem with Delirients is not that they produce true hallucinations, but that they rob your of your sanity, so you can't recognize these halucinations as sensory effects.


On psychedelics you can to a lesser degree see things that are not there, such as patterns on a wall, but whatever you may or may not see you are not insane when under the influence of psychedelics cause you can make a fundamental distintion between what is out there and what is a sensory effect of yourself. Under a large dose of a psychedelic you may experience impairment or mental confusion but you still are in charge of your actions and thoughts, the same can not be said of the delirients.


Edited by: Softrat