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A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Kava
In theory: Kava~Kava should have a mix of-mild elation properties-coupled with an antaginization of elation, aswell as Benzodiazepine-like(but not same) effects compared to large doses of Diazepam(valium).
Kava Kava contains kavalactones, which are the responsible chemicals for the kava experience. Kavalactones are shown to potentiate GABAa activity, the same area benzodiazepines effect but not by the same mechanism whatsoever. All responsible kavalactones: Kawain Methysticin Demethoxy-y Dihydrokawain Dihydromethysicin Yagonin Quote:
In rats, kava proves to change extra cellular dopamine levels for 8 hrs. Yangonin has dopamine antogonism effects, whereas the rest of the indivudual kavapyrones increased dopamine(dosnt mean they are DRIs, but somehow they are shown to increase EC dopamine as doseage increases). Yangonin can reduce the activity of the rest of the kavapyrones elation effects at times, although it is not present in high amounts which makes it more negligable then other kava pyrones in producing effects. Dihydrokavain is much weaker then (+)kavain, (+)methysticin, (+)-dihydromethysticin, reqiuring a 100-fold concenteration to become eqivelantly active to the later kavalactones. Yangonin is also weaker then these aswell. So, Kavain: NRI which enhances focus, Enhances GABAa activity (+)Methysticin: Enhances GABAa activity (+)dihydromethysticin: Enhances GABAa activity Dihydrokavain: Enhances GABAa activity the weakest of all prominant psychoactive kavalactones(dosn't mean it isn't important) Yangonin: Enhances GABAa weaker like dihydrokavain; Is a dopamine antagonist Desmethoxy-yangonin: MAO-B Inhibitor, resposible for increasing levels of dopamine in the nucleus accumbens providing slight euphoria. New very interesting info to add to this topic All of the Kavalactones except yangonin, individually increase extracellular dopamine levels with dosage. Although: Quote:
See Nizzles chart/post, 3 posts down, for good information... refs: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14429932 , http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2411755 , & http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/kava.htm So, if you are like me and like to compare drug pharmacology before you try something, i think this gives you a good idea of expectation...alchohol, benzos, concentration, euphoria, etc. Last edited by Swimster; 24-10-2009 at 03:07. |
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
It would be nice if you would list the main actions of each these kavalactones, if known: what the dose range of each of these kavalactones is and what % is normally present in kava-kava.
Here's an example table:
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
EDIT: Moved this post to the first one for convenience...
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
*= personal approximation according to levels discovered in ONE study SWIM WOULD LIKE TO THANK SWIMSTER:http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=17206 for his contribution to this table--explaining mechanisms of action for various alkaloids, suggesting revisions, explaining physio/neurological effects of various alkaloids, etc. His contributions are not to be neglected. http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_kava.htm some important kavapyrones like methysticin (1.2 to 2 percent), dihydomethysticin (0.5 to 0.8 percent), kawain (1 to 2 percent) and dihydrokawain (0.6 to 1 percent) have been isolated and characterized. However the attached article states Quote:
demothoxyyagonin- .43 percent kavain- .69 percent yagonin- .57 percent methysticin- .14 percent dihydromethysticin- .54 percent dihydrokavain- 1.86 percent Assuming dosage of kavalactones (NOT dose of dried/prepared kava kava plant) between 70-200mg (various sources.... none gave a straight answer and attached article shows POSSIBLE hepatoxicity at not much higher levels), that would give dose range (ROUGH estimate, dose range was calculated by median percent [taken from estimate when necessary, otherwise values written in http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_kava.htm] x mg total kavalactones(70 and 200) demothoxyyagonin- .5% x 70 and 200= .35mg-1mg kavain- 1.5% x 70 and 200= 1.05mg-3mg yagonin- .5% x 70 and 200= .35mg-1mg methysticin- 1.6% x 70 and 200= 1.12mg-3.2mg dihydromethysticin-.65% x 70 and 200= .455mg-1.3mg dihydrokavain- .8% x 70 and 200= .56mg-1.6mg I think I did all those calculations right (even though they are all quite rough)... let me know if that is not the case. Kawain: NRI which enhances focus, Enhances GABAa activity (+)Methysticin: Enhances GABAa activity (+)-dihydromethysticin: Enhances GABAa activity Dihydrokavain: Enhances GABAa activity the weakest of all prominant psychoactive kavalactones(dosn't mean it isn't important) Yangonin: Enhances GABAa weaker like dihydrokavain Desmethoxy-yangonin: MAO-B Inhibitor, resposible for extra levels of dopamine in the nucleus accumbens providing slight euphoria Last edited by nnizzle; 23-10-2009 at 06:56. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
Please consider if it is possible that there is a difference between kawain and kavain.
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
I've read that levels of particular kavalactones very considerably from strain to strain, and even from different crops of the same strain. Plus different varieties have different kavalactone makeups. Its hard to paint an accurate picture of how the overall end effects are produced due to this variability, though we can get a general idea of how specific kavalactones act on the neurological system. I like the topic of this thread, but am not sure if "% in Kava" is an accurate or useful measure to include at this point in time, since it may only be the case for the specific strain used in the study.
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
It will possibly give an indication if a kavalactone may be of major influence.
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/12668.shtml?ID=12668
[top]Kawain5,6-dihydro-4-methoxy-6-(2-phenylethenyl)-2H-pyran-2-one, C14H14O3 (mol. wt. 230.26) Also known as kavain or gonosan I don't know much about O Chem nomenclature but other sources have used them interchangeably also. Last edited by nnizzle; 23-10-2009 at 01:00. |
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
EDIT: Iv'e seen the word Kevain used at studies. Sry for being weird about it nizzle, lol.
I'm not sure the correct one... Kawain and Kevain is the same, im sure. Last edited by Swimster; 23-10-2009 at 06:43. |
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
Sorry I have been trying to understand what this means for like an hour haha? I'm not trying to sound like a dick at all man just don't know what you're referring to.
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
So yagonin is a dopamine antagonist, demethoxy-yangonin is an MAO-B inhibitor, while the rest (??) somehow increase dopmaine levels in the brain?
I've seen a couple studies cited in other articles claiming that kava [might] be able to treat schizophrenia. Being that it has complicated effects on dopamine receptors maybe it might actually be useful. kavain also inhibits the reuptake of noradrenalin which is another chemical / receptor sometimes targeted by atypical antipsychotics. |
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
Thanks, thats good info man. Post what you want
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Re: A little bit basic of pharmacology for those who are interested in trying Kava Ka
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