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Old 16-10-2009, 04:38
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What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

SWIM wants to switch from Adderall IR Concerta and his doc recently prescribed him Concerta (he gets the Adderall from friend), the weakest dose of course to start (18mg). SWIM knows it is basically just like Ritalin in a time release form, kind of like Adderall XR V.S. IR but I think it is meant to last even longer which means the dose is even more gradual. That will be fine once SWIM has transitioned to it as he wants to get off Adderall due to the side effects, mainly it makes his OCD, which is normally not too bad anymore much worse. It is also just a bit too strong for SWIM sometimes, SWIM has trying to be good about it and not abuse it but at this point he has a pretty high tolerance and 20mg while still very effective is not nearly what it used to be. Although SWIM usually takes 15-20 mg in the morning when he wakes up (around 7 AM) and then sometimes if needed another 5-10 mg in the early afternoon 7 or 8 hours later (2 or 3 PM) as SWIM finds the IR starts to wear off a bit by then, but he tries to avoid this unless really necessary as he is an insomniac (well before the Adderall) and it will make that even worse as well.
So bottom line is SWIM has been taking 20-30 mg of IR Adderall a day for quite a bit now (under a year tho), he stops for a few days now and again, sometimes for a week and is really tired for the first few days but that is about it, by the third day he starts to feel “normal” again so he doesn’t think he is addicted to it but is def dependant on it. However SWIM does not take it to get “high” since his tolerance is so high it hardly gives him any euphoria anymore, a little for about the first two hours right after it kicks in but that’s it. SWIM thinks that honestly he has been taking a relatively small daily dose (from and abuse or getting high off it perspective) but then again he thinks the max daily dose a doc will prescribe is 30mg a day for IR so maybe it is pretty high from that perspective, but in order for SWIM to get a euphoric high off it he would prob have to take around 40-50 mg at one he thinks. But regardless SWIM wants to get off it and transition to Concerta but he wants to do it correctly. He has only taken Concerta once, it was a 34mg pill and it seemed to do absolutely nothing, he even took it in the late evening and had no problem falling asleep. So SWIM thinks in order to equal 20mg or so of Adderall the dose is going to have to be pretty high, around 100mg he is guessing, but he really has no idea. He found a good comparison to Ritalin dosage online but that is about it. SWIM also understands that both drugs are different and work differently so Concerta may never be quite as “effective” but as long as it controls his ADD without the side effect he currently gets from Adderall and does it with less potential for addiction he is cool with that
If any SWIMMERs have made the switch from around 20-30mg of Adderall a day to Concerta please chime in, what dose did you find was effective after having a tolerance to Adderall? Also was making the switch hard for a few weeks, IE were you much more tired and less motivated until your body adjusted to it? Any info would help SWIM out as he really wants to get off of Adderall before he is up to some crazy 80mg a day dose just to get the effects he needs. He feels it is right at the point now where it is not too late for him to switch off of it or just get off in general. SWIM has heard of people using much higher daily doses than he is for much longer periods of time.
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Old 16-10-2009, 21:01
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

well concerta is extended release and that sucks and no one really wants that . but 20 mgs of methylphenidate is 10 mg of adderall

frasorto added 1 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

basicly addy is better but if you have tolarence to one it may seem the other way around

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Old 16-10-2009, 21:16
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

Concerta and aderall are some what similar, but not quite the same, amphetamine vs amphetadate, aderall XR is a time release as well. Do some searches here at forum and you will get educated.
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

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Concerta and aderall are some what similar, but not quite the same, amphetamine vs amphetadate, aderall XR is a time release as well. Do some searches here at forum and you will get educated.
The drug in Concerta is called methylphenidate. I don't think amphetadate is even a word.
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

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well concerta is extended release and that sucks and no one really wants that . but 20 mgs of methylphenidate is 10 mg of adderall

frasorto added 1 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

basicly addy is better but if you have tolarence to one it may seem the other way around
Well if this is true that 20mg of Ritalin technically equals 10 mg of Adderall, then based on this website...

addadhdblog.com/concerta-getting-the-right-dose

SWIM would have to take 216mg of Concerta (4 of the 54mg pills) in order to get a 24mg equivalent dose of Adderall, that seems crazy high and not very safe. SWIM thinks he will try taking two 54 mg pills which equal 108mg of Concerta or 24 mg of Ritalin which would be 12 mg of Adderall in a sense? Is SWIMs math wrong here? Is there really no accurate way to tell?

SWIM is not sure how high of a daily dose Concerta can be "safely" prescribed, but again he thinks that 200 mg is a lot, but then again with his tolerance maybe not, again SWIM thinks to be safe he will first try two 36mg tablets which is equal to 16mg of Ritalin and see if he feels anything at all from that, then he will try two 54mg pills which is 24mg of Ritalin or 12mg of Adderall and see if that gives him any effects, which it should because 12mg of Adderall certainly dose give a noticeable effect. If SWIM still gets nothing at that dose he will prob not go any higher, doesn’t seem like a good idea.
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Old 28-10-2009, 23:12
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

My friends friend gets prescribed the instant release methylphenidate (generic Ritalin) and my friend gets adderall. When my friend indulges on his friends RX, it is nothing like adderall. He has eaten 4 20mg's and snorted another 20 and the effects didn't even compare. He was trying to obtain the adderall high from these but it did not happen. He felt pretty good though for about an hour or 2 and then it started dwindling. methylphenidate makes him very anxious when he starts to come down and prefers adderall to it any day of the week. What he is saying is don't expect to get the same "high" from methylphenidate.

In his opinion, snorting 2 20's is a decent buzz for about an hour. Especially if you inhale cannabis right after. He is not sure about Concerta though. He agrees you should start out small and work your way up. That is always the smarter choice when in doubt. Good luck.
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Old 07-12-2009, 01:34
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

as posted above, concerta IS methylphenidate, it is mixed with other inert compounds to slow it's release.

concerta to ritalin

is comparable to

oxycontin to oxycodone

both are identical active compound
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

SWIM used concerta and Methylphenidate for about 11 years, before taking a 2.5 year break on all add meds. After the ADD resurfacing, he spoke to a pdoc about the long term effects of methylphenidate/concerta on memory. Although not immediately noticeable, it does impair your short-term memory capability in the long run, after you stop taking the drug. So SWIM asked for dexedrine (much like adderall, except only one type of amphetamine).

maxferguson added 1 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

As for actual effectiveness, SWIM was more impressed with amphetamine based meds. He found them smoother (onset and comedown), more effective in terms of motivation, focus, sociability, and other things.

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Old 05-07-2010, 03:27
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

Swim couldn't even compare the two drugs in usefulness. Anyway, swim thinks vyvanse lasts about as long as concerta. And it has less side effects than adderall. For him anyway.

Also, swim had a lot of OCD symptoms in the past. Along with anxiety and depression. And pristiq(an SNRI) helped swim a lot. It was his doctors idea though and he had started that before she began amphetamine treatment.
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Re: What dose of Concerta would be equivalent to 20mg of Adderall IR?

SWIM has been taking Concerta now for about 2 weeks. It absolutly kills SWIMS stomach as did ritalin both are xr. SWIM never has the trouble with adds ir. anyone else have the same delima?

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