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Old 23-07-2005, 21:01
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Phenobarbital



swim found their dogs phenobarb medecine, and swim took some of it nasally, it felt pretty good, and he had a body high. soswim was wondering if anyone can provide more info on this subject?
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Old 23-07-2005, 22:59
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phenobarb(Pentobarbital) is a schedulle II Barbiturate in the usa. it is used to control epilepsy (seizures)in dogs and humans and as a sedative to relieve anxiety in humans.
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Old 24-07-2005, 01:41
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how is the high comparable to benzos or opiates?
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Old 24-07-2005, 09:32
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Stronger than benzodiezapines, but a diffrent high than opiates. They are also more addictive than benzodiezapines, some barbs are schedulle I (Mecloqualone and Methaqualone) meaning they are illegal, and they can not be perscribed.
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Old 24-07-2005, 21:06
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i dont really like the high of these phenobarbs, its a mellow relaxed
high, i can see why its prescribed for anxiety adn insomnia, but it
sure can help you sleep. although it has been giving me weird body
pains.
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Old 01-08-2005, 03:48
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barbituates... are out dated, i just stick with safe(r) benzos, i like the high.
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Old 01-08-2005, 11:58
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I agree with jeyez63. all the benzos out right now r popular for a reason Barbituates are just getting less popular in my opinion because they have a long list of reactions to other chems. With cocaine, it decreases the barbituate effect. You cant take any antihistamines either. There's more, just google it.
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Old 02-08-2005, 02:19
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I think the main resons that Barbs are getting less popular is because they are rarely perscribed and highly controlled. I have never used them, but if the numbers there are on legal market for them goes down, i would imagine the numbers of them on the black market would go down too. Benzo's are often perscibed, and there is a large genaric market for them, also Xanax, Valium, Klonipin, are all schedulle 4 substances.
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Old 30-11-2005, 13:39
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How much does someone usually take of this?
I mean 3 100's with a bottle of wine did nothing, just dosing to low or are these dud's?
any information would be nice, thanks
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Old 07-12-2005, 21:07
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300 mg is alot so you should have had some effects!i think you're pills are dud's.....and don't mix barbs with alcohol!!!
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Phenobarbital dosage and use

SWIM currently has 5 100mg phenobarbital tablets. She has researched but could not find much about it other than the known: abused frequently in the 1970's, don't take with alcohol, habit forming, Marilyn Monroe's choice suicide drug.

SWIM would like to know a good dose for her to take recreationally. She has no idea what a "high" dose is and what a "low" dose is. Should she start with 50mg? 100mg? 200mg?

She's assuming it must be taken orally, and that snorting won't make it work any better, but she'd like some opinions on this too.
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Old 21-04-2006, 14:17
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100mg of phenobarbital, and most other barbituates, would cause most people to stumble around like a drunken idiot for 8 - 12hrs, depending on one's metabolism. Lesser amounts have lesser effects. The old street name for these drugs, as well as their users, was goofballs. 200mg is a maximum dose likely to cause deep sleep/sedation. Alcohol potentiates the effect and can be fatal.

I encountered a young lady many years ago who decided she would snort a 100mg seconal (a 2hr version of phenobarbital). She got a terrific nose-bleed and was in so much pain that her screams interrupted a school assembly. My friends and I were drafted by the administration to drive her home.
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Phenobarbital

SWIM just acquired a Phenobarbital 64.8mg tablet. Although SWIM has used many drugs, Barb's isn't one of them. Should SWIM spilit this sucker in half for there first time, or whole?

Thanks

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Old 15-12-2006, 06:35
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Re: Phenobarbital

SWIM took it a while ago, did nothing at all really exept make SWIM kinda hungry, pretty worthless.
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Re: Phenobarbital

swim tried 100mg of phenobarbital.. it was an ok experience. swim dont care to do it again though
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Re: Phenobarbital

^^^ Can SWImfrieze elaborate?

What did it feel like? Why would they not do it again?
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Old 15-12-2006, 13:33
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Re: Phenobarbital

There is some info on this in this thread: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...t=24843&page=2 titled: Phenibut, worth it for relaxation/sleep? , mainly in posts by Blur

Quote by Blur in regards to using Phenobarbital to withdraw off phenibut:

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Phenobarbital bypasses the gaba receptors and directly opens the neural ion channel, decreasing firing frequency and preventing seizures, convulsions, etc. Pheno should be gotten off as soon as possible also though, as you build tolerance to it, but SWIM had no problem coming off a 2 week taper.

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Old 15-12-2006, 15:35
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Re: Phenobarbital

As with all barbituates, there is a danger of retrograde-amnesia, especially among those who become addicted. This is where one takes another dose, and forgets they already took another dose and they take yet another dose. Also with addiction to barbs, while tolerance goes up rapidly, requiring ever larger doses to stave off (among the worst) withdrawl symptoms, the LD50 (lethal dose in 50% of animals/humans) does not rise in accordance. Result: A lethal dose to alleviate withdrawl symptoms must be taken.

This is why you seldom meet long-term barbituate addicts.

Withdrawl requires a slow tapering-off of the dosage - under the supervision of a physician if at all possible.
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Old 24-12-2006, 23:39
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Re: Phenobarbital

Yes well put SWINagognog, barbituates are or were the ost preferred method of suicide via OD. They can knock you on your ass fast and you might never get back up.....so SWIY might want to go easy with these. SWIdr does not know your weight and he is not a real doctor so he cant help you out very much with the dosage. Just do sum more research before you try this, and be careful!
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Re: Phenobarbital

SWIM usually takes 120mg of phenobarbital a day.Barbs over benzos anyday.
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Re: Phenobarbital

^^^ can SWIY elaborate procrastinator? Are the barbs prescribed? If so: Does SWIY use in excess of their prescription for recreational purposes? How do they make SWIY feel? Why does your flamingo prefer them to benzos?

All info very welcome. There's not much around here on barbiturates.
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Old 18-03-2007, 17:10
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Re: Phenobarbital

SWIM isn't prescribed them, no. SWIM gets them off a friend (who IS prescribed them). They make SWIM feel really relaxed and calm, kinda like being stoned. SWIM finds that they have more of a calming effect than benzos.
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Re: Phenobarbital

Phenobarbitone is the only barbiturate which is not legally required to be kept in the Controlled drugs cupboard in a pharmacy(well according to UK law).

There is a good reason for this.

If SWIM had to name the least abusable/fun drug out of ALL benzo's and barbs, SWIM would choose phenobarb. It extremely long acting, slow to come on and makes PEOPLE feel more like a zombie than any other. Many epileptics hate taking the stuff for this very reason. Couple this with much more serious side effects and problems with use (as with all barbs) makes it either an unfortunate necessity in controlling siezures (epileptics) or a drug not worth trying (recreational or casual use) especially when diazepam is so readily available for many people around the world.

Certain barbiturates may be A LOT more fun than benzo's but phenobarb is not one of them (this is of course only SWIMS opinion)
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Re: Phenobarbital

Phenobarbital is the longest acting barbiturate around, it works for 12 hours. SWIM has done them on several occations and did like 'm a bit.
When SWIM took phenobarbital he took 3 50mg tablets sublingually which always hit him within several minutes and reached plateau pretty quick. It made SWIM un co-ordinated and made him stumble somewhat if he tried to walk. It also gave SWIM a happy and contend feeling, and also very strong relaxation. SWIM has tried a hell of a lot of benzo's, but they never were his thing, and never made him really relaxed or euphoric, but phenobarbital made SWIM feel how a strong benzo should make him feel; relaxed, happy and content.
SWIM also noticed they gave SWIM a little bit of a warm feeling through out his body, mainly his limbs, just like GHB does to him.
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Re: Phenobarbital

Phenobarbital is a barbiturate and as such has the following side effects (to name few) including hepatitis, osteomalacia, megaloblastic anaemia, agranulocytosis, thrombocytopenia, allergic skin reactions and toxic epidermal necrolysis.


Benzo's share many of the side effects of barbs but they lack the more serious ones(mentioned above).


SWIM would suggest phenobarb subjectively is VERY different from GHB which is also metabolised more easily by the body. Each to their own though, one mans meat is another mans poison.

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