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Old 15-10-2009, 01:46
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If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

SWIM just got out of the Marine Corps and has not done E in a long long time. He wants to do it this weekend, but even back in the day when he used to do it he would get nervous as hell. He has been reading online all day but could only find stupid ass info provided by people who are clearly against drugs and clearly have never used them. SWIM has read on here that if mixed he can get fucked up, but if taken by itself what are the rea chances of something going severely wrong? SWIM doesnt pesonally know anybody that has even been to the hospital from taking E. If anyone can share experiences that could have been fatal or required hospitalization SOLELY from E it would be much appreciated. Probably just being paranoid but SWIM really wants to roll this weekend but wants to make sure the probability of something happening will be low.
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Old 15-10-2009, 02:17
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Swim thinks most people die from MDMA due to water intoxication (Drinking too much H20) or overheating because
of over exerting them self's (Dancing all night without rest or drinking enough H20).

Swim guess there could be other complications such as allergy`s or preexisting medical conditions such as
heart problems, but for most people its relatively safe providing you actually are getting MDMA and not some unknown RC.
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Old 15-10-2009, 02:19
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Ecstasy taken by itself usually doesn't result in negative health consequences. However, although "Ecstasy" used to mean MDMA, Ecstasy nowadays can be just about anything. So there is the danger in consuming an unknown substance, especially if SWIY has medical complications (such as heart problems, high blood pressure, ect..). Substances frequently found in "E" pills are piperzines (increasingly common, such as BZM, TFMPP, MCPP...), amphetamines, caffeine, as well as actual MDMA. If SWIY buys a pill, anything can be in it though- some "E" pills have even been found to contain PCP or diphenhydramine, along with many other substances that aren't exactly ideal for a club. If SWIY wants an idea of some of the things found in pills, he can check out this website: http://www.ecstasydata.org/

If SWIY is worried, get a test kit. They aren't that expensive and the only way to know for sure what's in "E" pills. If SWIY decides to just buy a pill and take it though, SWIY may want to avoid mixing it with most other substances. Avoid the common drugs that do not mix safely in particular (like alcohol, most stimulants, and many depressants). In fact, the only substance SWIM would mix with an unidentified pill would be weed, but he'll mix that with just about anything.

So be safe, get SWIY's pills tested, stay hydrated and avoid overheating, and have a fun time.
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Old 15-10-2009, 02:31
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Thanks for the info. SWIM doesn't plan on mixing with anything. He never had a bad roll in the past, its just been so long he was wondering if it is more common now to get pills that contain harmful additives. Looks like SWIM will be having a good weekend after all. Pretty interesting link, too bad no recet data for SWIM's area. Where could SWIM get one of these test kits from?
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Old 15-10-2009, 03:11
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

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he was wondering if it is more common now to get pills that contain harmful additives
Yes, much more common. There is a global shortage of MDMA due to certain countries cracking down on precursers. You are far more likely to end up with peiperizines in you pills than MDMA these days.
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Old 15-10-2009, 03:24
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

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Where could SWIM get one of these test kits from?
I believe this question falls under the "no source discussion" rule of this forum, however, I could be wrong as this is a product intended for harm-reduction. If SWIY is looking for a test kit, try searching for it on a popular search engine; there should be a lot of info on what SWIY is looking for.

SWIM forgot to mention that he believes most "E" pills do not contain harmful additives- most dealers do not want those they supply to to die, because word would get around and no one would buy from them. Also, if someone were to die from a street drug such as Ecstasy, the police usually try to find the source, so the dealer could risk prosecution. However, if SWIY is buying from a dealer at a club or event, SWIY is more likely to purchase something harmful. That being said, the risk is always there when buying E pills. For example, something could have gone wrong in the production of the substance or a harmful precursor may have gotten mixed in.
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Old 15-10-2009, 03:25
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

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You are far more likely to end up with peiperizines in you pills than MDMA these days.
Are they harmful or just a waste of money?
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Old 15-10-2009, 04:34
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

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Are they harmful or just a waste of money?
It depends on what you get, it could be a waste of money, or a waste of money AND harmful. Many people react badly to piperazines, which don't seem to have a high safety profile.
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Old 15-10-2009, 05:28
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

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Are they harmful or just a waste of money?
Both.
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Old 15-10-2009, 05:40
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Well the piperazine thing is a matter of opinion. Literally millions of piperazine pills have been sold and consumed. I do not believe any deaths have been attributed solely to piperazines, though due to the nature of their stimulant effects, it is probably possible to OD on them. Some people enjoy them, some people don't. It may not be a waste of money, it could be fun, but it could be disappointing if one were expecting E.
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Old 15-10-2009, 06:37
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Google Alexander Shulgin for some neutral info on this class of drugs. They do fry some presynaptic serotonin neurons, probably dopamine to. But if used very seldom, the damage is tolerable and repairable. And its no more deadly than the dexedrine thats handed out to military pilots.
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Old 15-10-2009, 08:37
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Some actual tablets contain the isomeric pCPP and, occasionally, other substituted piperazines. There's much less information been published on the properties of the positional isomers oCPP and pCPP. Apart from these, mCPP is one of a family of aryl-substituted piperazines that includes, inter alia, benzylpiperazine (BZP), 1-(4-methoxyphenyl)-piperazine (MeOPP) and mtrifluoromethyl phenylpiperazine (TFMPP).
Like mCPP itself, many of them are metabolites of licensed medicines. However, the parent compound piperazine is still licensed for this purpose. Neither mCPP nor other piperazines are synthesised from the pepper plant nor can they accurately be described as belonging to the same class as Viagra.
No fatal poisonings from mCPP have been reported. Although, there's some details of a number of fatalities due to Trazodone, it's unclear what part the metabolite mCPP played in these deaths. Little is known about the mutagenic and carcinogenic potential of mCPP or its effects on other organ systems.
The major problem is that there are no readily-available screening tests for mCPP; it does not react with Marquis, Nitroprusside or Scott’s reagents.

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Old 15-10-2009, 09:14
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

I would be much, much more concerned about being sold "ecstasy" which is adulterated, or does not contain any MDMA at all.

The state of the "ecstasy" market in most places is such that it is far more likely to be sold an adulterated or misrepresented product than it ever has been. From what data is available, the vast majority of what is on the market in the US contains several active drugs besides MDMA, or just as often none at all.

Has SWIY considered using a testing kit?
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Old 15-10-2009, 17:54
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

The onyl big risk , like i think someone posted, is water intoxication. It causes sodium to be diluted to such an extent that one could slip into a coma. There have been very few cases where people have died solely on ecstacy, in fact, ive never seen one report of someone dying as a direct result of E, without the help of excess water, a mugger or a balcony =P



and QFT on the above comment. Swim would be far more worried about where he's goin to get this pure ecstacy. :/ In the UK your lucky to get an aspirin when you ask for pills.

Swim recomends pure mdma, swiy really shouldnt go for pills, please, do swim a favor and dont get pills. .
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Old 15-10-2009, 21:46
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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

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There have been very few cases where people have died solely on ecstacy, in fact, ive never seen one report of someone dying as a direct result of E, without the help of excess water, a mugger or a balcony =P
Exactly what I was thinking, Ive never met anybody or even known anybody that has died o been hospitalized. SWIM almost always has somebody there to make sure everybody is drinking water but not too much. But like SWIM said before, hes been out of he game for a long time and wonders how much its changed. Still havent got an answer to where SWIM can get these test kits???

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Re: If not mixed, how "deadly" can ecstasy really be?

Sources for any products cannot be discussed here. The most common brand of ecstasy test kit is "EZ-Test." Happy googling.

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