CPP - New substance found in pills

[FrankenChrist]

1-(3-chlorophenyl) piperazine, or m-chlorophenylpiperazine

New drug found in Belgium

The Belgian Ministry of Health warns about a new drug on the market. This substance is called CPP, and it was found in off-white/beige tablets with multi-coloured specs.

The effects of this drug on the body are not yet clear. Early July, a festivalgoer at the Werchter Rockfestival was taken to hospital after drug poisoning. Traces of CPP were found in his urine.

Some days later, the tablets were seized for the first time in a dance café in East-Flanders.

(Freely translated from Dutch)

Edit: the user at the rockfestival also had traces of cocaine, MDMA, cannabis and GHB in his urine.




picture

More documentation can be found by googling CPP piperazine
1 mention on Erowid. Erowid seems to know little about this substance.
2 mentions on Lycaeum.

Description of the tablets:
Shape: round
Colour: beige, with green, yellow, red, blue and orange specs, unevenly divided over the tablet
Logo : none
Breakline: none
Average diameter :8.9 mm
Average thickness:2.9 mm
Average weight :0.24 g



Edited by: FrankenChrist

[Nagognog2]

Excellent report. Thank you!

[FrankenChrist]

You're welcome.

Further info:

The substance was found early this month and this report got out soon after, within the framework of the Early Warning system of the EU.

CPP is sometimes found as a metabolite of trazodone, an anti-depressant, but in this patient the urine sample showed no traces of trazodone itself.

CPP, 1-(3-chlorophenyl) piperazine, or m-chlorophenylpiperazine,
is a piperazine derivative. This drug was first identified in Sweden in 2004.
M-chlorophenylpiperazine [I take it this is a different substance ~FC]on the other hand, has already been found several times in 2005 in France, and has also been found in the Netherlands, in Austria, in Lithuania and in Norway

Not much is known about the effects of CPP on humans. Reported side effects include: anxiety, shivering, dizziness, headaches and nausea.
Edit: also, increased body temperature and blood pressure

Sources:
the Belga press agency ,
the website of vrt (Belgian national television)
Edited by: FrankenChrist

[Nature Boy]

Why all the focus on the negative? I wonder if it's any good.

[FrankenChrist]

I'm just giving all the info I could find. Lycaeum and erowid have no reports of this substance alone.

[motorhead]

That's the funkiest pill i ever seen, super colourful. Wonder if that is distinct colouration of the substance or just chemists getting surreal.

[radiometer]

One of these was tested by the Ecstasydata project, also. I figured they
were coming from someplace where piperazines were more popular and
sold OTC.

<a href="http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1447" target="_blank">http://
www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1447</a>

Edited by: radiometer

[Nagognog2]

I guess it's just the ticket if you enjoy: Reported side effects include: anxiety, shivering, dizziness, headaches and nausea.



Yummy! I'll see if they're selling it at the local S & M Club during their raves.

[orngthmpr]

ive seen two or 3 post in other forums where people were posting pics and asking what it was.. guess we know now. thanks

[Tony Blair]

I know a few people that dont mind CPP (or BZP or TFMPP). I find if you
do take enough, you feel fairly mashed up; but mostly for me
piperazine's are just like speed, but milder, and with more of the bad
effects, and less of the good.



I have read elsewhere that they are dangerous to combo with MDMA, so Mr. Hardcore 'user at the rockfestival also had traces of cocaine, MDMA, cannabis and GHB in his urine'</span> found out. (Although of course it could have been anything else without knowing exactly).



BZP and TFMPP are often sold at festivals in the UK as herbal E (which it is anything</span> but)... So be careful

[cort]

i was just thinking abot a colorful pill the other day and how cool that would look. that would be the one pill you rember. people would pry think there fake because of the look of them tho it looks kinda like candy.

[FrankenChrist]

Erowid user report, generally positive. Reported nausea.

report

Also new: mCPP vault

[daeron]

ok guys im sorry but i havent seen this thread earlier.swim knows exactly where these above mentioned pills come from,lets say <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comfficemarttags" /><ST1:PLACE wt="on">SE Europe</ST1:PLACE>.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><O:P></O:P>


swimcrossed pathsw this pill on a couple of occasions the last time it was in may swim thinks.same bitter-sweet taste,definitely the same batch.took it only once,thought it was just a speed pill,effects stimulation,insomnia no euphoria,a lot like bzp.<O:P></O:P>


now what i want to report here is that swims good friend took it and had EXTREMELY adverse effects. Nausea,insomnia,body temp ~40C(!!!),extreme anxiety and panic attacks(he wrote at least 15 or so sms to swim during 2hrs) and strangely-hallucinations(breathing,and slight patterning).<O:P></O:P>


another swims friend experienced onlyhigh blood pressure and insomnia.<O:P></O:P>


people who were dumb enough to take more than one(&gt;3) experienced fever,extremely high body temperatures,anxiety,nausea and vomiting.<O:P></O:P>


overall exp count by swim and the people who he knows who have taken it(thats a lot of people btw) is that approx 30% felt just slight stimulation,50% felt negative effects(body temp,nausea,anxiety) and the rest had very though and difficult exp.the one above w hallucinations swim wouldnt even believe if it wasnt comming from a guy he knew all his life.<O:P></O:P>


One pill seems to have a not a large amount of mCPP,so a lot of people used to take more than 2.so please be fuckin careful!<O:P></O:P>


the place from which these pills come from have no piperazine market,they are not sold OTC,and most people dont even know about them.since this is a relatively small market(or so swim is told<?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-com:vml" /> </V:STROKE></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:F></V:ULAS></V:PATH><O:LOCK aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></O:LOCK></V:SHAPE>) a lot of people soon found out what these pills are so thats why they continued to the west in such a large quantity.it seems it was a very large one time batch from a respectful(if there is such a thing) source,or so swim hopes.they are called "martians" on the street,and the dumbass dealers describe them as "lsd/XTC mix" which of course is utter bullshit.<O:P></O:P>


gotta go and find my plane ticket-rispek,peace out,drugs in and all that street talkEdited by: daeron

[Benga]

a french source on the subject with a picture of the funky pill...


www.drogues.gouv.fr/please don't post full links to outside sources. It opens the door to all kinds of creepie-crawlies. TY.


edited. Sure, I wasn't thinking of the links popping.


this website is the official french governement drug info page, and is based on a lot of info coming from SINTES, european drugs watch thing, and TRENDS, which is basically people crawling the web, notably Lyceaum and Erowid (cited in the formetioned article) and most likely this website gathering info on new substances, RCs and use... the link SINTES has with repression is unclear, i still haven't managed to find out if their purpose is more of an informative harm reduction one or just gathering info used by prohibitionists...


bEdited by: benga

[a-SalviaLover]

It obviously has empathogenic effects. But I feel I'd prefer MDMA. Edited by: Alfa

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by nagognog2

I guess it's just the ticket if you enjoy: Reported side effects include: anxiety, shivering, dizziness, headaches and nausea.



Yummy! I'll see if they're selling it at the local S & M Club during their raves.

arent those the same side effects they mention for MDMA? Its possible to get em but its very dosage dependant. I know this dude that has tried these and he just sees em as crappy pillz, cause he was expecting real E. But 2 pillz didnt make him sick, he also knows a guy who bought 100 and now there slowly working there way through em.


Another monkey has had some experience with BZP's and TTFP's and he says they work pretty good but the next day hangover is abitch with dizzyness and rather bad headaches, nothing worse then a longdrink happyhour wont do to ya though.(love+twisted+weed he claims to be a decent substitute to MDMA as long as you dont go comparing the two to much. you get well fucked up he says)

<DIV ="effects-">MDMA</DIV>
<DIV ="effects-"></DIV>
<DIV ="effects-">NEGATIVE</DIV>
<DIV ="effects-list-negative">
<UL ="effects-item">(negative side effects increase with higher doses and frequent use)

<LI>inappropriate and/or unintended emotional bonding
<LI>tendency to say things you might feel uncomfortable about later
<LI>mild to extreme jaw clenching (trisma), tongue and cheek chewing, and teeth grinding (bruxia)
<LI>difficulty concentrating & problems with activities requiring linear focus
<LI>short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion
<LI>muscle tension
<LI>erectile disfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm
<LI>increase in body temperature, hyperthermia, dehydration (drink water)
<LI>hyponatremia (don't drink too much water)
<LI>nausea and vomiting
<LI>headaches, dizziness, loss of balance, and vertigo
<LI>sadness on coming down, sense of loss or immediate nostalgia
<LI>post-trip Crash - unpleasantly harsh comedown from the peak effect
<LI>hangover the next day, lasting days to weeks
<LI>mild depression and fatigue for up to a week
<LI>severe depression and/or fatigue (uncommon)
<LI>possible strong urge to repeat the experience, though not physically addictive
<LI>possible psychological crisis requiring hospitalization (psychotic episodes, severe panic attacks, etc) (rare)
<LI>possible liver toxicity (rare)
<LI>possible neurotoxicity (controversial)
<LI>small risk of death. Approximately 2 per 100,000 users have extreme negative reactions resulting in death. (rare)</LI>[/list]</DIV>


source : erowid

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</DIV>


ps: http://www.eve-rave.ch/drugchecking/...table_name=dru gchecking&function=details&where_field=id&where_ value=202


what bothers me more about these compared to the rainbows is that they actually use a stamp often seen on real MDMA pillz. Both of em are sold as being XTC from my experience.Edited by: xpr´k

[Nagognog2]

What ties my panties in a knot is these money-grubbing pushers who buy a barrel of this stuff from China for 2¢ a dose - and then misrepresent it as MDMA and charge MDMA prices. Do you think they care if it's un-tested, even in the underground, and might kill you? No. They want your money.


Bottom Line: Boycott them. Best way to knock down a giant it to sever their financial artery.Edited by: nagognog2

[bcStoner420]

This thread would be a good example of why i dont trust E, in pure powder form its a little diffren but with pills...you could be getting absolutely anything.

[jarka]

Oh, I've seen those too! My friend ate few of these.. he said they are like amphetamine or something similiar..

[Tony Blair]

Originally Posted by bcStoner420

This thread would be a good example of why i dont
trust E, in pure powder form its a little diffren but with pills...you
could be getting absolutely anything.

Crystals may be a little different (difficult to cut), but in powder
form? Could just be crunched up pills. Dont go believing
this "pure powder form" stuff too much. In fact, SWIM has had several
pills better than any powder SWIM has had.



Powder should give a ridiculously violent reaction with a test reagent

[a-SalviaLover]

Originally Posted by bcStoner420

This thread would be a good example of why i dont trust E, in pure powder form its a little diffren but with pills...you could be getting absolutely anything.

How could you tell what's in the powder. There might be sodium bicarbonate in it or anything else. There could be little or no MDMA. Just like in the pills. The difference is that the more hands it has passed through the bigger chance, that someone adds sth to it. If it has passed through 10 people for example, 10 people could have cut it with sth. And the pills could be cut with sth only by the producer. If you know a producer of MDMA, powder would be a better idea, but I'm sure pills would bother you, too.

[FrankenChrist]

You should be able to know what is good mdma "powder" because (to my knowledge) these are crystals that look like fine table salt. The second indicator is the (IMO) unmistakable taste.

[xpr´k]

ive taken about about 75 pillz so far but tbh i'm not sure what unmistakeble taste you mean. For me its just bitter, ive taken over the counter medicine with an equally unenjoyable taste.





note to self , lick pills next time

[FrankenChrist]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

ive taken about about 75 pillz so far but tbh i'm not sure what unmistakeble taste you mean. For me its just bitter, ive taken over the counter medicine with an equally unenjoyable taste.





note to self , lick pills next time

The taste of the crystals, not the pills. Once you had it, you'll be able to recognise it.

Tasting pills would be less accurate.

[a-SalviaLover]

Aren't those crystals crushed, mixed with some stabilizers and pressed up in pill form. I mean the pills should have the same taste as the powder. Haven't tried powder though, so I can't know. The pills had just a bitter taste. And I am sure they contain MDMA only, cause I've experienced all the range of he documented effects. But what I meant was that if you try a brand of pills and you like it, you can seek only for only those pills. The only difference is that if you get a pill from one brand you can be at least 50% sure what's inside it. And if you obtain powder you can never be sure what adulterants it has. It might be cut wih sth tasteles, so you won't make any difference.

Well I guess that's a personal choise and depends much of the location. If all the pills in your location are crap and you are able to obtain nice strong powder, of course you'll prefer the powder. I personally prefer the pills. They are a bit more expensive, but are far better in quality and I know what am I buying, cause I have tried it before. Even when I buy stimulant amphetamines (such as meth) I buy them in pill form. And they are always good!