Drug info - roche 10 pakistan imposter,Fake?

[gearbaby]

My dog Boo was wondering what the hell is going on there are alot of valium available to her but on the packets it reads valium 10 mg made in pakistan along with some foreign writing Boo has taken them but notices they are very weak an the effects short lived unlike the english made ones Please anyone let boo know also ther round an blue but instead of D10 it says roche 10 Any info...

Boo the pup

[Boca Bitch]

http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php?ac...color=1&shape=

Is this it? If this is the case, the reason SWIY feels that they're so weak is probably because they only contain 10mgs. of diazepam... and extremely low dose. One would have to take three to get a decent buzz.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	<isleading information
	To attempt any sort of pill ID on the internet is misleading and so possibly dangerous.

[Abrad]

10mg of diazepam is a high dose. In fact, it's the maximum dose available commercially.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Abrad

10mg of diazepam is a high dose. In fact, it's the maximum dose available commercially.

IV... 10mgs. diazepam is a high dose...

10mgs is the starting dose for diazepam... comparable to 0.5mgs. alprazolam. The maximum single dose is indeed 10mgs, but it's a rather weak member of its class..... I think you're confusing diazepam (Valium) with another benzodiazpine.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Simply wrong. Diazepam is commonly available in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg pills. 10mg is not a huge dose but is not small either...

[Abrad]

Starting dose for diazepam is 2mg. They come in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg tablets. Perhaps it is whoever left me negative rep that should get their facts straight and it is you Boca Bitch who is confused.

Any questions?

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You need an attitude adjstment. You are right in terms of dosage but don't have to state it like you did

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Abrad

Starting dose for diazepam is 2mg. They come in 2mg, 5mg and 10mg tablets. Perhaps it is whoever left me negative rep that should get their facts straight and it is you Boca Bitch who is confused.

Any questions?

We're talking recreational doses.....

Obviously, the OP's monkey has no concern with standard dosage for therapeutic means, if he's buying Pakistani diazepam.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

We're talking recreational doses.....

Obviously, the OP's monkey has no concern with standard dosage for therapeutic means, if he's buying Pakistani diazepam.

Not necessarily true. What if the OP does not have health insurance and cannot afford to go see a doctor to get it prescribed for therapeutic reasons? That would be one reason to buy foreign prescriptions.

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Good, valid point

[Abrad]

Please delete

[missparkles]

Sparkles is gonna assume that as the OP is in Ireland and can obtain diazepam by prescription from her GP, that they're using them to self medicate because their GP won't provide them (common in the UK), or that they're using them recreationally. Firstly, with any drug it's always safe to start at the lowest dose and work up, never start with the maximum dose, and with diazepam the lowest dose is 2mg, the max is 10mg. In exceptional cases UK doctors will give a higher dose than 10mg, but usually in a supervised setting. They're also only given short term due to their highly addictive quality.

Remember, DF is about harm reduction, so advising anyone that 3 10mg diazepam will give nice buzz is dangerous advice, after all, how does anyone here know exactly what max dose the OP has taken in the past? Is 30mg a good, safe buzz if they combine it with 6 pints of beer, or with other drugs they may use? Without knowing the details it's impossible to tell anyone what the effects of any drug will haver on them, advising them to use 30mg of diazepam (three times the safe therapeutic dose) without pointing out the dangers, could even be seen as irresponsible?

People are always gonna wanna get high, and if they need info DF is the best place to obtain it, but it must be balanced with harm reduction advice. DF isn't here to give tips on how to get wasted the quickest with minimal cost, and the OP deserves to be given the truth, told the risks they're taking along with any helpful advice concerning the pleasurable effects of any drug they may be considering taking. How often is the argument posed here about drugs being dangerous due to policy makers not being honest, about the BS people are fed daily by the media? Well you can't call BS on the media, and then give out less than honest advice about drugs and their effects, because you're talking rec use.

I also think it was a good point to make about why people use internet pharmacies. After all, not everyone has access to meds, and for other reasons than a doctors refusal to prescribe.
Be safe.
Sparkles.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	A good neutralisation to a thread with much bad feeling and good info.
	accurate and well spoken.

[5HT-Receptor]

Hi,

SWIM also has these Pakistani Valium by Roche (produced by Roche Pakistan Limited in Karachi, including regn.No., mfg.lic.No.), but have not tried them yet. SWIM looked it up online and indeed found a Roche department in Karachi. The strip of pills does look professional and real, but you never know.
SWIM has some real original Rivotril/Klonopin prescibed from her GP. And the pills look exactly the same, except the color is different, blue for Valium instead of yellow for Rivotril.
SWIM was also wondering if they could be fake, having seen a television programm about fake med's and is now a bit worried of trying them out....