Where do you get DMT?

[Shroomerite42]

I've asked around and no one I've talked to seems to even heard of it, and I really want some!

[Alfa]

For DMT containing plants, see the sources forum. Do not ask for sources here.


Do not ask for DMT itself, because it is illegal and therefore asking for it will get you banned.

[toighttoiger]

Originally Posted by Alfa

For DMT containing plants, see the sources forum. Do not ask for sources here.


Do not ask for DMT itself, because it is illegal and therefore asking for it will get you banned.

where is the sources forum? does one have to donate or reach a certain requirement to get into it?

[dunkelheit]

DMT is rare because it's not the kind of experience that appeals to everyone and it's not the kind of thing you do often. Keep asking around, eventually you'll find a friend of a friend who has it.

[dr ACE]

5meo-dmt is a related compound which is much easier to find,and much more potent.the effects are said to be like an elephant sitting on your face,sounds really scary not for the weak at heart thats for sure

[madP]

i was given 5meo once which was called real dmt. it felt like white-noise-rapture covering all the senses. rather paralyzing.



heads these days assume that white colored dmt is synthetic (5meo) and that yellow-tinged dmt is natural (straight dmt).



of course if you extract yours from mimosa hostilis root bark
(preferred) using the nice methods described at dmt.lycaeum.org and
recrystallize from hexane you can make bright white natural dmt
crystals that everyone will accuse of being synthetic.



real dmt is the most beautiful and terrifying drug on the planet. damn good medicene indeed.

[Dualpower]

I've asked around and no one I've talked to seems to even heard of it, and I really want some!

I realize this is an old thread, but DMT containing plants are legally
available and thus their vendors are not prone to the amount of
scamming the other quasi-legal drugs and analogs on the net tend to
fall towards.



Or so a rat, who just crawled out of my wall, told me...

[HippieD9]

I'd probably have to recommend that one tries ayahuasca first before even thinking about smoking DMT. Get used to it's gentler side first, DMT is like getting hit in the head by a psychadelic bat. I don't know your history, but be careful screwing with this one, it'll screw you back if you're not prepared.





Peace,


D.

[PYITE]

syrian rue is one natural MAOI

[AZMEO]

Mocloemide works... But I would not recommend it. It make the whole thing seem plastic. Go natural

[GDxCAT]

Moclobemide has actually become quite a popuar substitute for harmala alkaloids.



As to the original question. Its highly unlikely you will find DMT
unless you extract it yourself or know some one that does this.

[ChemicallyBound]

Harmaline is not scheduled in US as far as I know.My dogordered it a long time ago from Sigma, not personally of course.


My dog took 200mg dissolved in just enough weak HCL orally.


in about 30-40 min. very nauseating, unable to stand any light hardly, bright blue flashes of CEV's , definitely trippy in a head -sick sort of way


don't recommend

[Eirias]

Some plants that contain MAOIs like harmaline include Syrian Rue
(Peganum harmala), passion flower (Passiflora incarnata--sp?),
Diploteris caberana (but with several other alkaloids including
tryptamines in potentially active amounts ), and of course
Banisteriopsis caapi and other Banisteriopsis species.


I'm surprised about the Canadian scheduling of harmaline, but
regardless of the chemical's regulation, plants containing it or related
MAOI alkaloids should be unrestricted (unless the plant species is
specifically listed in the legislation, it is not considered a
controlled substance). Of these I've listed, Syrian rue is the most
potent (a crystalline extract can be derived without too much
difficulty), followed by the Banisteriopsis ssp., and with passion
flower a somewhat distant third. I didn't include the Diploteris
because it contains so many additional active alkaloids that it's not
really a good candidate for an MAOI potentiation source. In fact, it's
almost like ayahuasca all in one plant.





Be sure to take it easy on the Syrian rue, especially an extract. It
is quite easy to overshoot the mark with MAOIs (200mg. of harmaline as
mentioned above or 3+ grams of powdered Syrian rue is far too much
IMO), exceeding an effective enzyme-inhibiting dose to the point where
the psychoactivity of the MAOIs themselves are tainting or overpowering
the experience, sometimes even encouraging nausea and sedation.


IMO 1 to 1.5 grams of powerdered Syrian rue for a 150 lb. person is
plenty to achieve enzyme inhibition (taken approx. 30 min. before the
DMT or other entheogen to be potentiated is consumed, and any amount
much greater than that and one experiences nausea and sedation. For
pure harmine/harmaline HCl, a "smear"/"bump" on the tongue about 1/2
cm. in diameter and less than 1mm. thick is sufficient for MAO
inhibition. I apologize for the inexactness of the measurement, it's
probably somewhere around 10-20 mg. Passion flower seems to be rather
weak and although a cup of the tea or a dietary supplement type of the
encapsulated herb ingested produces calm and relaxation, I imagine that
to inhibit one's enzymes enough to ensure an ayahuasca-like effect that
either a very potent extract or an unreasonably large amount of the
plant material would have to be consumed. I have no personal
experience with the Banisteriopsis species as an MAOI.


In regard to the 5-MeO/n,n-DMT mix-ups, I touched upon this in
another post in the DMT section. DMT is illegal and thus more rare vs.
5-MeO being unscheduled and also more potent, the two subtances have
similar names and are administered in a similar fashion, people are out
for profits, etc. The important thing is the difference in active dose
and the subjective effects of the two substances. Be careful and know
your source.


DMT is a unique and powerful substance, and although it is sometimes
touted as the ultimate experience of consciousness, and greatly sought
after by some, it is definitely "not for everyone" and certainly not
the type of recreational drug that any "dealer" would have. When I was
younger I used to fantasize that my cannabis dealer somehow had access
to a drug black market posessing any illicit psychedelic I could think
of, and I would pester the hell out of him by regularly asking of they
could "hook up" things like peyote, DMT, yopo, STP, or anything else I
had read was psychedelic. I just assumed that if it was illegal and
psyhcoactive, taht it could be "scored" somehow (isn't that what all
the drug war propaganda tends to imply?)


DMT is just one of those things that is both rare and novel and as a
result it is often only encountered in the circles of "in-the-know"
entheogen conneiseurs. I do agree however that you have a better
chance of finding these "entheophiles" and the substances they
appreciate at festivals such as Autonomous Mutant, Burning Man, Rainbow
Gatherings, Goa or PsyTrance outdoor parties/festivals, or some of the
concert tours mentioned above. Of course, conferences such as
MindStates, Entheobotany seminars, or any other events focused around
entheogens, shamanism, and alternate states of consciousness are
densely populated with people who probably know about such things as
DMT.


But in spite of this, one of the oddest things about DMT is its
majickal, synchronistic quality-- it can and often does suddenly appear
when and where you least expect it, but somehow it seems to come into
one's hands when he or she is "ready" for the experience. Perhaps DMT
is not as available as other things because it's not "meant" to be so,
and it's the "entities/elves" whom are in control of when you shall
meet one another...

[Dualpower]

I'm surprised about the Canadian scheduling of harmaline, but
regardless of the chemical's regulation, plants containing it or related
MAOI alkaloids should be unrestricted (unless the plant species is
specifically listed in the legislation, it is not considered a
controlled substance)

Actually, not the case. Plants do not have to be specifically named in
Canada to be illegal. From the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
(first couple pages actually .. )

"controlled substance" means a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV or V;

....

Interpretation
(2) For the purposes of this Act,

(a) a reference to a controlled substance includes a reference to any substance that contains a controlled substance; and

(b) a reference to a controlled substance includes a reference to

(i) all synthetic and natural forms of the substance, and

(ii) any thing that contains or has on it a controlled substance and that is used or intended or designed for use

(A) in producing the substance, or

(B) in introducing the substance into a human body.

Actually .. according to this mushroom spores are technically illegal.

[Eirias]

Hmmm...

I will not go so far as to say you are wrong, but what you have
referenced above still does not explicitly imply that such a plant is
illegal. Furthermore, I assume that mescaline is listed by
name as a controlled substance in Canada, along with "its salts,
isomers-" blah blah. Yet the peyote cactus (Lophophora
williamsii) as well as other mescaline-containing cacti are not
prohibited and are in fact available from Canadian ethnobotanical
suppliers (which will of course not be named here). The same
example holds true for n,n-DMT and plants such as Mimosa hostilis and
Psychotria viridis. In fact, I recall on ethnobotanical outlet in
Canada that had "ayahuasca herbs" that were sold together which
consisted of Psychotria viridis and Banisteriopsis caapi (!), which has
harmine and harmaline as its active components.

My interpretation of the legislation you have quoted (I am not a lawyer) is as follows:

(b) a reference to a controlled substance includes a reference to

(i) all synthetic and natural forms of the substance

-- This refers to the origin of the substance in and of itself, not the
product of origin per se (i.e. synthetic, lab-made DMT is considered
the same as purified, extracted DMT, regardless of their seperate
origin.)





(ii) any thing that contains or has on it a controlled substance and that is used or intended or designed for use


(A) in producing the substance, or


(B) in introducing the substance into a human body.

The "and" is very important here, because it qualifies the
definition. This means that you could theoretically be prosecuted
for a resinated hash pipe, because it not only "has on it" THC residue
but ALSO "is used or intended or designed for use in (B) introducing it
into a human body. The same case could be made if you had a knife
that was used to scrape opium from poppy seedpods, in that it 1) has on
it a controlled substance (opium), and 2) is intended or designed
for use in (A) producing a controlled substance. (ii) is
qualified only when criteria for (A) OR (B) is also met; (A) and (B) do
not both have to be met

What this is getting at is that INTENT is key. Studies
have shown that there are detectable amounts of cocaine on 90% of
circulating US currency, and also that all human beings posess
detectable amount of DMT as a metabolic component, excreted in the
urine. But because neither the currency or the bodies/urine are
INTENDED for using or produsing the drug, they would not be explicity
illegal. However, both could theoretically be considered illegal
by the US law defining of possesion of a controlled substance
illegal if found "in any amount", which presumably would include these
absurd examples.

The same argument is used for research chemicals, which are
ALWAYS sold and purchased "not for human consumption", for if they were
sold or packaged in such a manner as to imply beyond a reasonable doubt
that they WERE in fact intended for human consumption, then they become
de facto controlled substances.

The only part of the definition which may in fact support your argument that I can see is:

(a) a reference to a controlled substance includes a reference to any substance that contains a controlled substance; and

It depends upon whether a plant is considered a "substance" per
se, and if because the "and" is there after a semicolon, if parts (a)
and (b) of the definition are co-dependent or are mutally exclusive
(i.e. are they 2 seperate parameters that define what a controlled
substance includes, or are they both part of one singular definition
that is dependent on both criteria to be filled in order to be
considered a valid definition.)

Based on the examples I have given of peyote and the other
plants, I am ASSUMING (I am NOT a lawyer) that this Canadian law is
enforced and interpreted in a similar fashion to the American
controlled substance analog laws. This means that if a plant or
animal that is not explicitly named in the legislation contains a
controlled substance, but does not demonstrate that it is intended 1)
for the production of a controlled substance, 2) to enter the
human body (i.e. for human consumption), and 3) to be used as a
controlled substance in and of itself, then the plant or animal in
question is NOT considered a controlled substance.

It's good that you are paying attention to the letter of the
law-- things like this can bite you in the ass when you least expect
it. But I'll bet that any plants that are obviously prohibited in
Canada (non-hemp cannabis being one) that they are explcitly listed in
the legislation. This is the case in the US with Cannabis sativa
and indica, Erythroxylon(sp?) coca, Lophophora wiliamsii, Tabernanthe
iboga, and Catha edulis. The wording even contains further
definitions like "the roots, seeds, stem, foliage, etc., of the plant",
so as not to allow any room for loopholes.

[BEEKSc1]

i think i am going to smoke Anadenanthera seed,baking soda yopo blend, but i want to smoke it inmy vaporizer. will thealkaloids be activated by the vap primarely used for cannabis?

[MegaLab420]

No one is willing to pay the *** a gram that it demands. People don't realize the hard work that goes into synthesising this compund. Sure, there are easy cheap ways to go about, but it usually requires more risky aquisitions, and then theres the more expensive, less risky ways to make it, but either way you must understand it is work, and to get a product you are proud to call your own, you put in time, and time is ..... MONEY


Pay up if you want to party. More people would make DMT available if it was worth their while.


SWIM at one point in time made a shit load of DMT and it took his cronie forever to move it, mainly because people only wanted to buy a dose, not a gram. People didn't know what it was, so why would they drop 250.00 hard earned dollars on something they are not sure they would like.


Personally, I love the drug to death. Nothing beats a huge hit of dmt, holding it as long as you can, then uncontrollably falling back on your bed while your lover gives you head. It's as if you are seriously NOT THERE. The colors, the neon lights, the designs, the patterns, all hitting you like a ten ton heavy thing. Were talkin the best of the best here, but of course, the down side, it only lasts a good 15 minutes, and then you need to smoke again to reach the same plateau...


Some can't afford financially to smoke more, some can..


Some can't afford to mentally smoke more, some can.


Me myself, heh, if only the little lady could hang as long as I could, I would party with it till the cows come home, but she usually wigs after 2 hours of use and it kills the trip and the blow jobs stop, and of course, the blow jobs make the experience 10x more interesting...
EDITED BY MARSOFOLD. DISCUSSION OF PRICES IS NOT ALLOWED.

[wapcaplet]

I've heard tell that Harmala and Harmaline can produce Parkinson's
disease in high intravenous doses. I'd avoid Syrian Rue and its ilk as
recreational items, unless in ahyahuasca.



On 5MEO-DMT and DMT:



Both are naturally occuring substances. DMT is actually in your body
right now. I don't think that 5MEO-DMT appears in human physiology,
however.



Has anyone attempted to extract DMT from Canary grass? TihKal has a
nice little chapter on DMT in natural sources, and in there it lists
Canary grass as a heavy bearer of the substance.

[Eirias]

Fuck-- Haven't posted for a few weeks.. new internet connection, etc. anyways..



There was a lot of hype a few years back in regard to the
potential for reed canary grass as well as other Phalaris species (P.
aquatica, P. arundinacea) being both widespread and easily accessible
sources of DMT and possibly 5-MeO as well. This was largely due
to claims printed in Jim DeKorne's "Psychedelic Shamanism" book that
described the author's experience smoking some Phalaris extract and how
easy it was to find and prepare etc., etc.. His "discovery" was
actually derived from a scientific journal article on the matter by the
Italian ethnobotanist Giorgio Samorini (sp?), who experimented with
some Phalaris extracts as "pharmahuascas" and experienced powerful
subjective results.

All this hype instigated a lot of interest and subsequent
attempts by lay researchers to replicate the experiments using
phalaris. Unfortunately it seems that phalaris is a very
unreliable source of DMT and/or 5-MeO due to a myriad of factors
affecting the plant's endogenous production and concentration of the
alkaloids in question (light, strain, soil, pH, available nitrogen,
harvest time, "stressing" the plant, part(s) of plant with greatest
alkakoidal concentration, etc.). Even with the supposedly most
"potent" strain being carefully cultivated and harvested for maximum
alkaloid production, the results were sporadic and unpredictable at
best, even amongst "professional" entheogen researchers.

Once it was found that Mimosa hostilis root bark was an
abundant, potent, and consistent source of almost exclusively DMT
(versus a mix of alkaloids), and could be easily extracted (rootbark is
much, much easier to work with compared to a fibrous, stalky grass such
as phalaris BTW), phalaris has all but been forgotten. Speaking
from SWIM's experience, I can say that SWIM wasted more than enough
time and $$ trying to make phalaris work, and the only benefit might
have been that SWIM discouraged some reckless individuals from delving
into such things as entheogenic plant extraction who probably shouldn't
be doing so upon them witnessing SWIM's glaring failures with Phalaris.

I also agree that obtaining DMT via synthesis or even through
extraction is a bit of a chore, but is helps to "weed out" those whom
are searching for nothing but a novelty high. It will come to
those who are at a point where thay are ready to receive it.

In regard to the Anadenanthera seed pod vaporization, I can't
speak from experience, but the primary psychoactive alkaloid that
you'll be dealing with here is 5-HO-DMT, aka bufotenine, and not
n,n-DMT or 5-MeO-DMT, and preparing the plant material with a weak base
(like baking soda or potash) should convert the bufotenine into a
smokeable freebase. 5-HO-DMT is active when vaporized and inhaled
(see J. Ott's thorough experiements on the matter), but I don't know at
what temperature it vaporizes or if your particular cannabis vaporizer
gets that hot. One possibilty might be to look up the vapor point
(probably the BP or boiling point) of freebase bufotenine and then if
you know how hot your vaporizer goes, compare and see for yourself if
it'll work. Even still, working with the basified plant material
rather that the pure compound may produce difficulties, and the
traditional route of insufflatiing the pulverized seedpods may be
preferable in pursuing psychoactive effects.

[Eirias]

Also, I believe that 5-MeO-DMT is found in the human body in
trace amonts, along with n,n-DMT, and it may have specific reseptor
sites in the nervous system, but I am not positive.

In regard to the harmaline producing Parkinsonian symptoms, I
think there may be some confusion here. In around 1986, an
improperly synthesized batch of a merperidine (Demerol) analog known as
MPTP appeared on the streets and was being sold as a type of synthetic
heroin or "China White". Victims of the substance experienced a
rapid onset of Parkinson's-like symptoms from the contaminants, and a
wave of hysteria swept the media about the horrors of "designer drugs"
that helped to eventually establish the Controlled Substances Analog
Act, which was then used as propaganda to target MDMA.

In TIHKAL, Dr. Shulgin talks about how although unfortunate the
side-effects of the MPTP were, that they vastly improved our
understanding of how Parkinson's disease works, and that several
improved medications were created to treat the illness as a
result. Furthermore, since the mechanism of action of some of
these new found anti-Parkinson's drugs is similar in nature to some
effects of various beta-carbolines like harmine and harmaline, he
speculated that one of the b-carbolines could potentailly be an
effective treatment for Parkinson's disease.

This is my understanding of the matter. If you have a
reference for the I.V. administration of harmaline causing Parkinson's
disease, please post it so we can clear things up.

[BEEKSc1]

damn busting out the info, yea i hadn't thought about base-ifying the mixture to convert the 5-ho-dmt into asmokable form, i just don't want to try the traditional ways of administering the blend (taking it to the dome) bc that would probably rip my nose apart.

[Eirias]

BEEKSc1, I was under the impression that the "traditional"
preparation of yopo and other Anadenanthera snuffs involved combining
the pulverized seedpods with a base such as lime from crushed shells or
something. I'm not sure what type of salt (i.e. acetate,
hydrochloride, bitartrate, sulphate, etc. the 5-HO-DMT is in naturally
in the seedpods, but I'd imagine that the at least partial freebase
formed by combining the powdered plant material with a weak base would
be much more readily absorbed through one's nasal mucosa during
insufflation (snorting).

[jjack]

Originally Posted by Eirias

Yet the peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii) as well as other mescaline-containing cacti are not prohibited and are in fact available from Canadian ethnobotanical suppliers (which will of course not be named here).

ditto syrian rue and mushroom spores

swimsaid he remembered buying some seeds in a shop in toronto

[raven3davis]

SWIM gets his DMT from mimosa hostillis using marsofolds tek. Grind up mimosa in blender.............combine with acidified water using vinegar. Put in crock pot for 2 hours, strain off liquid, 2 more hours, three times total. Then basify to ph 13 with lye. Next you add the naptha and suck the layer off with a baster, then freezer percipitate and filter off crystals. Read Mars tek for more detailed instructions.

[cavalera]

what the hell is MAOI? i want to try the strongest trip ever, i got told DMT was it, is there better / more powerful things? i dont mean for length of time i mean intensity