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Old 09-10-2009, 17:34
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Making Green Dragon: possible with 40% alcohol?

SWIM has got a BIG house party to go to in a bout a month and was thinking of making a big batch of Green Dragon for him and his mates.

It is practically impossible for SWIM to get hold of 190 proof alcohol, he was just wondering if it is possible to make it with just 40% alcohol (80 proof) such as vodka or whisky?

He may be able to get a hold of 120 proof alcohol, which would obviously be more ideal
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Old 09-10-2009, 17:59
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

Check out this thread:Cannabis/THC Tincture

80 proof, 40% alcohol will work fine. Probably better to stick with the vodka rather than whiskey.

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Old 09-10-2009, 19:15
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

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Check out this thread:Cannabis/THC Tincture

80 proof, 40% alcohol will work fine. Probably better to stick with the vodka rather than whiskey.
Brilliant, thank you very much

SWIM can't believe how little you need to consume to get fucked on this stuff as well! two drops of tincture sounds ridiculous, but he tells me he can't wait to try it

Also SWIM was just wondering how hard it is to get a hold of an 'eye-dropper' ?

He wants to know if local chemists would supply them?

Thanks again
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

Another thread for whoever viewing pleasure: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...460#post677460

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Old 10-10-2009, 13:52
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

Right now SWIM has just rung to tell me that he's been researching about green dragon and he has a few more questions that he'd be very greatful if someone could provide some answers/advice

He said he was going to use the method suggested by Old Hippie (he said thanks for the link) but is worried about safety as his cooker does not have an extractor fan which increases the risk of fire due to evaporating and concentrating alcohol. Does he really have to worry about this?

So he is thinking of using the 'cupboard method' i.e. leaving the goods to soak in the alcohol for about 3 weeks (3 weeks until party). is this really as efficient? he has read around on other forums and websites and it seems to be that the cold/soak extraction method is not very efficient compared to boiling the mixture

What if he kept the weed and alcohol in a jar and left on his radiator for 3 weeks, shaking the jar frequently through out the day?

Summary of SWIMS questions:

Is it too risky not having a well ventilated room or an extractor fan for heat method?

Would the cupboard method work just as well if left to rest on radiator and shaken frequently?

SWIM says thank you in advance
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

the fan is to dissipate the alcohol vapors. if swiy has any kind of fan, just aim it toward the concoction so that evaporating alcohol vapors are not allowed to build up and get near the heat source. pure alcohol vapors are extremely flammable, so it is pretty important to have some air flow going if that is the method swiy wishes to try.

as for the radiator method, swim sees no reason why this would not work. heat aids in the dissolution of the thc into the alcohol. it is not a requirement, just a helpful addition. the key thing to remember, though, is that thc decomposition is catalyzed by light. so, if swiy was to leave a jar out near the radiator (shaking it would help), he might want to make sure that it is in a dark room, away from sunlight especially.
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

Could SWIY get acetone? Acetone is not toxic unless consumed in a volume, so SWIY could use acetone to extract the oil. Keep the liquid portion, then heat in a boiling water bath to drive off the acetone and simply blend the remaining oil with booze.

Extraction efficacy will be much better this way.
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

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Could SWIY get acetone? Acetone is not toxic unless consumed in a volume, so SWIY could use acetone to extract the oil. Keep the liquid portion, then heat in a boiling water bath to drive off the acetone and simply blend the remaining oil with booze.

Extraction efficacy will be much better this way.
That's interesting says SWIM

But he is confused as to what you mean by oil?

He asks do you mean use acetone to extract the THC?

He would also be most greatful if you could please explain this method with more precise instructions?
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

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That's interesting says SWIM

But he is confused as to what you mean by oil?

He asks do you mean use acetone to extract the THC?

He would also be most greatful if you could please explain this method with more precise instructions?
Take vegetable oil and try mixing with vodka. They do not become a homogenous solution due to excessive water content. Alcohol has higher affinity for water.

Do the same with acetone and vegetable oil and they do.

Since acetone is much more effective solvent for THC, soaking marijuana in acetone will leech out THC much more effectively. Since it's highly volatile, it can easily be boiled off using water bath unlike oil. SWIM suppose SWIY could use oil as an extraction solvent as well, though it is nearly imposible to separate THC from solvent oil.
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

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Take vegetable oil and try mixing with vodka. They do not become a homogenous solution due to excessive water content. Alcohol has higher affinity for water.

Do the same with acetone and vegetable oil and they do.

Since acetone is much more effective solvent for THC, soaking marijuana in acetone will leech out THC much more effectively. Since it's highly volatile, it can easily be boiled off using water bath unlike oil. SWIM suppose SWIY could use oil as an extraction solvent as well, though it is nearly imposible to separate THC from solvent oil.
So what you are suggesting is that SWIM soaks the weed in acetone instead of alcohol as this would be more affective? would it be possible to make a tinture from the acetone which can then be used by dropping under the tounge?

SWIM never suggested that he was going to use a kind of oil for extracting the THC
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Old 20-10-2009, 22:24
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

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So what you are suggesting is that SWIM soaks the weed in acetone instead of alcohol as this would be more affective? would it be possible to make a tinture from the acetone which can then be used by dropping under the tounge?

SWIM never suggested that he was going to use a kind of oil for extracting the THC
Correct. Absolute alcohol (200 proof) would work too, but SWIY suggested he cant obtain it, thus acetone was suggested as alternative. Alcohol simply isn't a very good solvent for oil unless it is anhydrous(200 proof)

IF SWIY is going to use it that way, it might be better to extract with acetone, evaporate off, then dilute with olive oil or something, so that SWIY wouldn't have to consume acetone/bear with its taste. A few drops of acetone isn't harmful, but oil is better idea.
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Re: Making Green Dragon, is it possible with 40% alcohol?

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Correct. Absolute alcohol (200 proof) would work too, but SWIY suggested he cant obtain it, thus acetone was suggested as alternative. Alcohol simply isn't a very good solvent for oil unless it is anhydrous(200 proof)

IF SWIY is going to use it that way, it might be better to extract with acetone, evaporate off, then dilute with olive oil or something, so that SWIY wouldn't have to consume acetone/bear with its taste. A few drops of acetone isn't harmful, but oil is better idea.
Arh, now SWIM understands

That sounds like a plan!

SWIM asks Would oil tinctures be just as effective as alcohol tinctures then? as in the sense of the oil tincture being just as effective as alcohol as being absorbed under the tongue? SWIM thought that oil would not been absorbed under the tongue very well compared to alcohol/acetone ?

WTF O_o added 4 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

SWIM is a curious bugger, and also asks would 1 drop acetone really taste bad/burn enough to make it worth the extra effort to dilute it into oil?

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