Health - If you have ordered 2C-B-fly from Haupt-RC, then your life may be in danger

[Alfa]

Sad news has reached us that the owner of the Danish research chemical company Haupt-RC has died on October 3rd, after the consumption of 18mg 2C-B-FLY. The owner was known under the name Minimal on this site.

Even though 2C-B-FLY has lead to deaths before, it is not logical that a dose of 18mg would have have fatal consequences. It is possible that the 2C-B-fly that Haupt-RC sold was tainted or mislabelled.

Haupt-RC sold 2C-B-FLY as a research chemical.

If you have bought product from this vendor then do NOT consume it nor let others consume it.

It is possible that HauptRC has sold 2C-B-FLY to other vendors. So it is advised to stay away from 2C-B-FLY.

This thread is an exception on our normal rule against sources discussion. This vendor is now defunct and the present danger presses us to ignore this rule.

Update:
Haupt-RC has added 2C-B-FLY as a new product to its assortment on Monday September 28th and the operator of the company died from consuming it on Saturday October 3rd. Between those dates Haupt-RC has sent out an unknown number of orders around the world.

Some of Haupt-RC's customers have been warned and thereby may have been saved from fatal ingestion. Unfortunately others have not been reached in time and have been hospitalised and died.

Unconfirmed sources have stated that this 2C-B-FLY was sourced from a Chinese producer. This Chinese producer may be selling to other Research Chemical vendors.

Related to this thread:
Tainted 2C-B-FLY: a fatal trip in San Jose, Cali
Potential things that could wrong with the synthesis of 2c-b-fly

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[Abrad]

I would urge caution with any product bought from this vendor. Although 2c-b fly is the one that seems to be causing problems we have had reports of impure dimethocaine too. And it's probable that all of his products came from the same supplier.
Be careful.

[Mona Lisa]

Too true.

[lulz]

Terrible news. On the bright side, this page is the second result on google when you search for HauptRC, and furthermore the text of the thread title appears on google's result page. It's import to get this message out, hopefully none of the tainted material is in circulation already.

[old hippie 56]

Used stumbleupon on it this morning, hate see stuff like this hit the market.

[Abrad]

hopefully none of the tainted material is in circulation already.

Seems at least some of it is.
There are reports elsewhere on the net of adverse reactions and hospitalisations.

[Synchronium]

Perhaps we can amalgamate these recent reports in this thread?

Can you dig them out, Abrad?

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by Synchronium

Perhaps we can amalgamate these recent reports in this thread?

Here is one from another forum:

Originally Posted by other forum

a buddy of mine had a very bad trip from 8mg of this "2c-b-fly"..
unfortunally he can´t compare the effects to these of pure, clean fly.
there was a awful headache all the time, he was completely disorientated.
breathing was hard and the eyes were swollen. it felt like an allergic reaction.

2 of his friends went to hospital tonight after ingesting <1mg combined with a few beer.

something is really wrong with this stuff.
he has enough left to send it to a laboratory.

Originally Posted by other forum

But it is highly psychedelic in very small doses.
Swim tested it and thougt that he was just overreacting. That may happen from time to time.. i.e. he needs a round about three time higher dose of tryptamines to get the same effects like other people. It could have been that he is just very sensitive to these special pea.. he thought.
I wondered when i was reading trip reports of people ingesting around 20mg. The 8mg dose was so fucking strong.. it can´t be 2c-b-fly.

Sorry for my bad english, I haven´t slept tonight.
I´ll take a look for my folks in the hospital now.

Originally Posted by other forum

I'm thinking we're going to see a couple more deaths and hospitalizations in the next little bit. We're probably not seeing them right now because they're dead. Hopefully he didn't send out too much. I mean, it's sent out as 2C-B-Fly, two hospitalizations at below 1mg, 8mg sounds like dangerous side effects, 18mg death. Not good.

Originally Posted by other forum

Hospitalization at 1mg? This sound like the 2C/3C mix-up all over again. The marquis reaction isn't right for a DOx. I don't know how it would react with the flies but the reaction tends to interact with conjugated ring systems to give the resulting colour.

I had the real 2c-b-fly years back (which I threw out after a couple trials because I wasn't overly impressed; anyway) and a good +++ dose was 10-14mg for me. But the duration was certainly only about 6-10 hours and I didn't die.

Originally Posted by other forum

He did the 18mg orally - supposedly with no combination - yet, he was confirmed dead in his bed 12 hours after ingesting the 2c-b-fly. First Aid was attempted untill the ambulance arrived, without luck. Paramedics and a doctor confirmed that he had suffered a cardiac arrest. The chemical was (supposedly, again - waiting for lab results) 2C-B-FLY - which he had just received from the lab, who synthed it

Originally Posted by other forum

That's precisely the info we need. That and any other info on experiences of people who tried it before knowing it was dangerous.
For now:
1 mg = visit to hospital - more than 12 hours of effects
8 mgs = bad trip - 20 hours of effects
18 mgs = death

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[Alfa]

This is a 500mg bag of 2C-B-Fly that has been sent out by Haupt-RC only days before the incident. We are currently searching for a possibility to have this analysed ASAP.

[chillinwill]

On the other forum, somebody stated that there have been reported deaths in the USA as well. As of right now though, this is totally unconfirmed.

[Synchronium]

Surely the company can get in touch with all its customers? Someone must have access to that data?

[honourableone]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Sad news has reached us that the owner of the Danish research chemical company Haupt-RC has died after the consumption of 18mg 2C-B-fly.

The owner of the company died as a result of the chemical. As such, there is no one to contact customers, and close friends of the vendor would have difficulty helping police investigations and such.

[fnord]

Ive heard reports that a sample has been sent out for analysis,ive also heard the police confiscated some of his 2C-B-fly and are testing it as well.

Good luck getting the police to release there results though...

[chillinwill]

Here is another quote from the other forum:

Originally Posted by other forum

If the police have the chemicals, and they decide to test it out (and not just get rid of it, like they probably would with any "normal" drug deaths), it will most likely be followed by a danish ban on the chemical.

The police here has been very strict the last couple of years, banning every new drug they confiscated here and there - thus 4-MMC, Ethylcathinone, Methylone, MDPV and a long range of other research chemicals was made illegal just 6 months after the first reports of customs confiscating it arrived.

They call it prevention of harmful effects, although they nothing of the chemicals other than its structure. Sad that they should be right in this case :/

[trips-a-hoy]

wow, thats horrible news..... I hope everyone who bought this particular RC is fully aware of this ordeal

[chillinwill]

Another quote from the other forum (don't know which one the poster is referring to here:

Originally Posted by other forum

God, this is awful. Someone just posted on a forum I can't link to on xxxxx, that their friend in the USA died from this batch. Two other people took it with him and were hospitalized. One is still in critical condition. Maybe I'll try and change the wikipedia article too to warn people...

Edit: Ah, stupid wikipedia took it down and said they're not a drug awareness campaign. That's so stupid. Obviously they're not, but can't they see the possibility that taking it down could directly result in a death...

Another quote about the ppl from the USA:

Originally Posted by other forum

And they all took small amounts: 4 mgs or less
Effects: Alergic reactions. Convulsions. No trip of any kind.

[Abrad]

And in response to the above post

Originally Posted by Other Forum

And they all took small amounts: 4 mgs or less
Effects: Alergic reactions. Convulsions. No trip of any kind.

[old hippie 56]

Why did Wiki take the warning down?
This is off Google search:
2C-B-FLY - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia · Flyfishing
A recently created batch (Around October 1st 2009) of this drug is tainted or misidentified and has caused deaths at normal doses.

Don't they care about people?

[Abrad]

Yet more from that other forum,

my friend's was the "b1" batch from the deceased vendor, his marquis was over a yr old, but every other material recently checked with it fine, and it behaved "properly"

his marquis reaction was: brown, with a light blue ring developing around the edge after 15 seconds or so...

Mecke went deep blue

he disposed of his sample

[Synchronium]

Originally Posted by honourableone

The owner of the company died as a result of the chemical.

But surely more than one person works there?

[Alfa]

Many research chemical companies are one man operations or one man with a few friends.
As the police are involved, it may be that no one may interfere with the investigation. I do think this should not be a reason to ignore the risk of more deaths, if Haupt-RC's customers are not warned.

[Synchronium]

Well is it actually a company? As in, an incorporated entity? If so, then the company still exists even if the director doesn't.

[Abrad]

More from that other forum,

this is really toxic whatever it is.

This is another wakeup call everybody..

people need to wake up and realise that vendors don't generally know what the fuck they are doing, they do not know what they have or the toxicity and potential toxicity of the materials.

the chemical name on the packet posted on Dodgy Forum is incorrect and that would have been put on by the vendor, so who knows what the fuck this stuff is.

The DEA have published analytical data for bromodragonfly and similar.

And from yet another forum,

Its only getting worse. A person from the United States has already died now too, and the 2 other people who were with them were hospitalized. Each took 4 mgs or less. Pretty much, everybody that takes it ends up convulsing and having hypersensative allergic reactions. My guess is this was a botched synthesis and now theres something extremely toxic going around. This will indeed bring much attention to many different RC vendors I'm sure.

[where wolf?]

Long-time lurker, first time poster - been following this tragic story here and on BL, am concerned that friends of SWIM may have purchased from this vendor. Does anyone have firm information about these alleged US deaths/hospitalisations?

[Abrad]

Details are sketchy at the moment. Get in contact with your friends immediately, without delay, and warn them!