Opinions - Benzos vs. Opiates

[Enlightenme]

SWIM has noticed that a lot of the oxy/heroin dealers will trade for benzos. SWIM has tried xanax a couple times and didn't notice much. SWIM doesn't really see what people like about benzos. SWIM was coming off opiates when he tried it so maybe that is why he didn't like it that much. Just made SWIM feel kind of icky and tired, but still couldn't sleep. Do opiate users like benzos because they help with wd's? SWIM is curious why all the heavy opiate users he knows like benzos too. How would you SWIMMERS compare benzos to opiates? Which do you prefer and why?

[Vein_Banger]

Yeah, benzo's only make swim sicker when detoxing also! But, when swim takes them together (benzo's & opi's) he really enjoys them alot! The benzo seems to potentiate the fuck outta the opiate, even in small doses of both!! But thats just for swim, its very dangerous to mix these two classes of drugs as im sure alot of people behind swim will tell swiy!! If swiy DOES, mix them, make sure he knows what tha hell he's doin!

[Enlightenme]

What would SWIY recommend for a mix? SWIM usually does 60 to 80mg oxy when using opiates. SWIM has access to xanax and klonopin.

[Vein_Banger]

Sorry, swim cant "recommend" mixing anything!!! But if it wer him, he wouldnt do 60-80mg of oxy if he WAS gona mix! He would start with 20-30mg's and 2 purple football xanaxs (or equivalent)!! And just for the record, swims "opiate" tolerance is pretty high like swiys, but this combo rocks his face off, everytime!!

[Enlightenme]

The xanax are peach colored .5mgs. Not sure about the klonopin. SWIM will find out tonight. Does SWIY bump the oxy as needed? Does SWIM just eat the xanax? SWIM usually snorts the oxy. What about grapefruit juice? SWIM usually takes grapefruit when he did oxy. The xanax bottle says not to mix with grapefruit juice.

[Vein_Banger]

Originally Posted by Enlightenme

The xanax are peach colored .5mgs. Not sure about the klonopin. SWIM will find out tonight. Does SWIY bump the oxy as needed? Does SWIM just eat the xanax? SWIM usually snorts the oxy. What about grapefruit juice? SWIM usually takes grapefruit when he did oxy. The xanax bottle says not to mix with grapefruit juice.

OK, 2 peach xanax's = 1 purple xanax, 2 purple xanax's = 1 xanax bar! And no bumping for swim, he rails all the oxy at once, then rails the xanax all at once immediately after the oxy!

[Oxymorphone]

Originally Posted by Enlightenme

Does SWIM just eat the xanax?

SWIM wouldn't really suggest snorting the xanax as it doesn't feel too nice, and SWIM doesn't know about the purple xanax but the little orange's don't feel too nice he says. SWIM has also heard arguments both ways as to whether one receives additional effect from snorting alprazolam, some people swear to god it hits them faster and comes on stronger, other people say it doesn't enter the blood so easily nasally and it's just the drip (extremely fucking bitter in swims opinion) running down their throat.

SWIM hasn't noticed any difference that he remembers, but maybe that's because he takes a little too much of them sometimes. They're evil little memory loss pills. =) Strangely enough SWIM still likes them even when he doesn't remember if they were fun or not.

[Vein_Banger]

Originally Posted by Oxymorphone

They're evil little memory loss pills. =) Strangely enough SWIM still likes them even when he doesn't remember if they were fun or not.

Yup, when swim mixes xanax with even one shot of wiskey, he loses all recollection of everything lol!!!

[Enlightenme]

SWIM has read it's dangerous to mix the two. SWIM also knows that the combos that are dangerous are usually the funnest. SWIM just needs to be careful. What about the grapefruit juice? Maybe SWIM will try 2 peach xanax and 30mgs of oxy to start with if he decides to try it. SLeep is good with this combo SWIM assumes? Any hangover?

[Vein_Banger]

Oh yeah, swim gets a helluva nod on this cocktail, and swim is sure the grapefruit juice will do its job also, thats why swim only takes half his normal opiate dose when mixing these components! And as far as hangover, no worse than usual, maybe a lil foggy in the morn from the xanny's, bout it...

[Guigz]

Benzo withdrawal, can be harder than an opiate withdrawal, first things to knows.

The euphoric effect of benzo quickly disappears, so the guys is addict and didn't feel anything execpt hard pain when he dont't have is dose.

The opiates addict like benzo because it's a good ersatz when opiate aren't on the street.

Some users with a lot of experiences, mixed the both substance, heavy trip.
With methadone its very spread, Methadonia a movie by Michel Negroponte, talk about this phenomenia, on the U.S and i things in a lot of country.

When opiate addict didn't find is dose, he can also taking some zolpidem, zopiclone an imidazopyridine sub-division or assimilate to the benzo ( a mistake...)

Opiate is a dangerous way.
Benzo Too
The both together...pffff, heavy and dangerous.

swim prefere alternate, Two or three week on opiate, after that the same time on clonazepam, valium, etc...

In France, I read an article, in a very objective and anti-prohibition web papers, about a man, when he didn't find opiate, or just finding skenan ( sulfate morphine ). He try to find clonazepam drop bottle, a strong bear, like 8,6 Bavaria, and add 110mg of clonazepam on this beer, and drink slowly, for sure that help for his opiate withwadral

[sasafrass]

Save the benzo's and catapress to detune from opiates. Not fun, but can help.

[RX420]

opies ftw....but benzos have a little peice in my dogs heart.... much better mixed,,,says my dog.

[Nace]

Swim says Opiates for sure. With benzo, it's a love/hate thing. Likes the feeling at the time, but afterward he feels absolutely awful (worse feeling as dose increases). Swim gets a funky taste in his mouth and gets a strange hunger. He eats till he gets somewhat sick and passes out. Overall it's more of a hate than a love.

Swim does believe benzo's do have its place though; if swim can't sleep, he'll take one or two, stressed out ect. Swim also gets anxiety from smoking cannabis and he notes that benzo's do relieve his anxiety on the rare occasions when he does smoke. Good for LSD trips gone wrong.

As for the opiates. He needs to stop taking them. He has been using various pharms for a few months just about every day and this evening is when he realized he was showing adict traits. It was scary for him because of all of the information he has read here at DF about opiate addiction and WD. He is always trying to find a reason to be taking the damn things. Tonight he actually lied to someone so he could go take insufflate some buprenorphine, which he as been doing for the past few days, 3/4 times daily. Ugh, he is worried that he may be slightly addicted.

[Enlightenme]

Nace, SWIM highly recommends kratom. At the point you're at now, you will undoubtedly have some good sized withdrawals, especially if your doses were high on the opiates. First time SWIM went through wd's, he tried everything to lessen the symptoms. Most things just made him feel worse. We're talking things like weed, ghb (which helped with everything except RLS; even made it worse), benzos, phenylanaline (however it's spelled), DXM, kava, 5htp, melatonin, valerian root, etc. You name it, SWIM probably tried it. The only thing that worked was kratom. Kratom made SWIM feel normal again, and it's way easier to come off kratom than opiates. Just 5 grams of regular old bali powder once or twice a day helps SWIM come of opiates with ease and pain free. Even lifts SWIM's mood back up. You're probably right in admitting that you may be addicted, but that's a good thing cause you don't stand a chance of stopping if you won't even admit it's a problem. Good luck bro. If you have any questions feel free to hit SWIM up.

[gmeziscool2354]

dealers like to pop benzo's becasue of the high stress nature of their work, benzo's f u up but not too much to function. thats what swim has observed. Benzo's are great bargaining power with dealers

[ScorpioSunshine]

Swim is dependent (not addicted ) to a low dose of clonazepam, which she takes for panic disorder (.5 2x daily; supposed to be 3x but swim rarely takes it 3x). Swim hates being dependent on benzos.

Swim has tried to taper, just because she wants to see what will happen, if the panic attacks will return, and possibly get off benzos for good and take only as needed. Oh wow, it's the hardest thing ever! Swim can feel when she needs her medication, and she starts to feel like her skin is burning and other crazy side effects which can be easily found online. Swim panics ....swim goes back on her prescribed meds. It's terrible.

Opiates on the other hand ... Swim could just quit them. One day of irritability, a day on the couch, resting, relaxing, and swim was fine. Don't know if she was just lucky or if her body has a better time dealing with opiates, but swim found opiates much easier to come off and much more enjoyable, and found benzos to be an evil necessity.

Swim would rather be off benzos, and would rather come down off opiates, if that makes sense.

[laws0n]

The reason why dealers trade opiates for benzos is most likely because they are using all types of drugs.

SWIM never dealt with any hardcore dealers but he knows someone who does on a regular basis. The guys downtown who their whole life revolves around drugs. Usually if their an H dealer they will of corse use some of their H but usually their smoking crack also. SWIMs friend was addicted to H, crack, and benzos at the same time and when SWIM told him thats extreme he said its actually quite normal for hardcore drug users. They use crack for an upper, they need H just to function, and benzos to get to sleep, or maybe they even need benzos too just to function.

They probly have the hook up on H so trading for benzos if they dont have a hookup on them is just because its cheaper and more convinent than buying from another person. And usually they will trade people less of the value of H than for xanax (meaning if someone gives them $100 of xanax they will give them like 70% of the amount they sell for the same amount)

For SWIM he never liked benzos the way he liked opiates. SWIM couldnt focus on benzos like on opiates. He would compare benzos to drinking but the whole ego and loudness isnt there. He remembers once he took some lorazepam and wrote down on a piece of paper "I HATE BENZOS I WILL NEVER TAKE THEM AGAIN THEIR NOT FUN" when he woke up the next morning and saw that he was like "what the hell" and vaugely remembers doing that.

[Enlightenme]

SWIM doesn't get much out of benzos. If SWIM takes a lot then he will get tired and clumsy, but it doesn't feel that good. How long does it take to get hooked on benzos? SWIM has done them for 3 or 4 days at a time and quit with no problems at all. SWIM actually feels better being off them after a day. SWIM loves opiates though. Opiates help him sleep and feel good and social. SWIM just doesn't understand why people like benzos. SWIM has only done klonipin and xanax.

[Boca Bitch]

SWIM cannot stand opiates/opioids! Now barbiturates and benzodiazepines are a match made in heaven.

^ ONLY to be attempted by those with a decent benzo tolerance. Start out with low-doses, as they tend to have long half-lives, one can always take more.

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM has had great times drinking and taking xanax, but benzos alone are not "fun" if you've been exposed to more euphoric shit to compare them with.

SWIM doesn't really like mixing benzos and heroin. He feels it just takes away from the heroin. There is absolutely no comparison between the euphoria of powerful opiates and benzos. To answer the original question, SWIM and pretty much all the dope users he knows keep a stash of benzos, mainly for withdrawal purposes.

Benzos won't help you that much in full blown withdrawals, but on those nights where you are just starting to get sick and don't have any dope, they can actually make you sleep. They are good for tapering down and detoxing too, as, again, they can help you sleep through mild withdrawal.

[Enlightenme]

SWIM agrees with DT on this one. SWIM doesn't understand how people could like benzo's after they've been exposed to more euphoric opiates. SWIM did try mixing them and the first time was ok, although SWIM was nodding heavily which wasn't that fun. SWIM mixed them a little here and there and, admittedly, went on an oxy runner 2 weeks ago for a week straight. Average dose was 120mgs throughout the day. SWIM did most of the benzos after the opiates, but mixed a few times while on the runner. SWIM used his kratom like usual to come down, and was using ghb from time to time. Just these last few days while SWIM has been coming off everything, wd's have been pretty bad mentally. SWIM believes that benzos and ghb made his wds pretty bad mixed with opiates. Kratom is purely for maintenance, as SWIM doesn't feel it without heavy doses. SWIM is finally down to 5 grams of kratom, and will try just a couple bong hits tonight for sleep instead of the kratom. SWIM will not mix benzos and opiates ever again. 2 days of crying and anxiety and burning skin even while tapering with kratom isn't worth it. Benzos aren't on SWIM's playlist anymore. Just no fun.

[TinfoilxTouch]

SWIM might have an idea as to why a 2mg Xanax bar is just as valuable as a good opiate RX...

It's pretty easy to hurt your back, twist an ankle, ect, ect, ect and get a RX for an opiate. It doesn't look strange at all. 95% of people SWIM knows have taken vicodin at some point. If you have longer lasting pain, getting something stronger like Percocet isn't even that unusual. You'll almost always get 5mg hydro pills or more, which alone can be nice.

Try going to your family doctor and explaining you have anxiety. You're going to get .25-.50mg of Ativan or Xanax. Reaching for the recreational dose of 1-2mg pills isn't going to happen without months of effort.

Also, there is a silly notion out there that taking benzos is safer than opiods. In reality, stopping an opiod addiction will be painful and difficult, but stopping a real benzo addiction could cause seizures or worse. People just aren’t educated. They think Xanax is a toy and Norco is a hardcore drug.

[NeoGeo64]

Fuck benzos, fuck alcohol, and everything else (except weed and cigarettes). To cure my anxiety AND depression, a good strong dose of hydro or oxy sets me into blissful exuberance. Xanax numbs me, as does alcohol. But if I pop 50-100mg of any the *codones* I'm GOOD TO GO.