Effects - Effects of Truffles vs. Mushrooms?

[Gorgonzola]

Swim used to get mushrooms from holland. He was particularly happy with hawaiians mushies
Few month ago, mushrooms were banned in holland, but he recently found truffles legally sold. Swim tried philosopher stones few years ago but he didn't really like it. But one exeperience with psychedelic isn't enough for a good judgement.
So what is the difference in effect between truffles and mushrooms?

[chinpokomaster]

Different quantities of psilocybin and psilocin per weight. In fact it varies from mushroom to mushroom as well. Liberty caps for example have little to no psilocin. Other than that it's all a question of relative dose.

[Gorgonzola]

Originally Posted by chinpokomaster

Different quantities of psilocybin and psilocin per weight. In fact it varies from mushroom to mushroom as well. Liberty caps for example have little to no psilocin. Other than that it's all a question of relative dose.

So you mean effect is exacltly the same?

[Abrad]

The effect will vary depending on the ratio of psilocin to psilocybin just like with other Psilocybe mushroom species.
Bear in mind there are several distinct species of scelerotia being sold as Philosophers Stones, all with subtely different effects.

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Clearly and concisely explained with good specifics.

[Gorgonzola]

What type would be closer to hawaiian mushrooms?

[Phungushead]

Originally Posted by Gorgonzola

What type would be closer to hawaiian mushrooms?

The Hawaiian strain of psilocybe cubensis, or copelandia cyanescens (which
are also referred to as 'Hawaiians')? There is a huge difference.

Truffles are usually psilocybe tampanensis or psilocybe mexicana. Mexicana
contain slightly more alkaloids.

There's a few threads revolving around truffles vs shrooms:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26354
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6384
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11572

Some data on alkaloid content of various psilocybin mushroom species:

SPECIES	%PSILOCYBIN	%PSILOCIN	%BAEOCYSTIN	REFERENCE
P. azurenscens	1.78	.38	.35	Stamets and Gartz 1995
P. bohemica	1.34	.11	.02	Gartz and Muller 1989; Gartz (1994)
P. semilanceata	.98	.02	.36	Gartz 1994
P. baeocystis	.85	.59	.10	Repke et al. 1977; Beug and Bigwood 1982(b)
P. cyanescens	.85	.36	.03	Stijve and Kuyper 1985; Repke et al. 1977
P. tampanensis	.68	.32	n/a	Gartz 1994
P. cubensis	.63	.60	.025	Gartz 1994; Stijve and de Meijer 1993
P. weilii	.61	.27	.05
P. hoogshagenii	.60	.10	n/a	Heim and Hofmann 1958
P. stuntzii	.36	.12	.02	Beug and Bigwood 1982(b); Repke et al. 1977
P. cyanofibrillosa	.21	.04	n/a	Stamets et al. 1980
P. liniformans	.16	n/d	.005	Stijve and Kuyper

Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World; Stamets
Citations for references:

* Stivje, de Meijer. "Macromycetes from the state of Parana, Brazil. 4 The psychoactive species" Arq Biol Technol 1993 36(2):313-329
* Gartz and Muller. "analyses and cultivation of fruitbodies and mycelia of Psilocybe bohemica." Biochem Physiol Pflanzen. 1989. 184:337-341
* Stamets and Gartz. "a new caerulescent Psilocybe from the Pacitic Coast of Northwestern North America". Integration 6. 1995
* Repke D, Leslie D, Guzman G. "Baeocystin in Psilocybie, Conocybe, and Panaeolus." LLoydia. 1977. 40:566-578
* Beug M, Bigwood J. "Quantitative analysis of psilocybin and psilocin in Psilocybe baeocystic Singer and Smith by high-performance liquid chromatography and by thin-layer chromatography." Journal of Chromatography 1981 207:370-385.
* Beug M, Bigwood J. "Variation of psilocybin and psilocin levels with repeated flushes (harvests) of mature sporocaps of Psilocybe cubensis (earle) Singer." Journal of Ethnopharmacology 1982. 5:271-291.
* Beug M, Bigwood J. "Psilocybin and psilocin levels in twenty species from seven genera of wild mushrooms in the Pacific Northwest (USA)" Journal of Ethnopharmacology 1982. 5:271-278.
* Stivje TC, Kuyper TW. "Occurence of psilocybin in various higher fungi from several European countries" Planta Medica 1985 51(5):385-387.
* Heim RA, Hofmann A. "La psilocybine et la psilocine chez les psilocybe et strophaires hallucinogenes." Les champignons hallucinogenes du Mexique. 1958. 6:258-267. Paris: Editions du Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle.
* Stamets P, Beug PM, Bigwood J, Guzman G. "a new species and a new variety of Psilocybe from North America" Mycotaxon 1980 11:476-484.


Here are the findings of another study:

Mushroom Type	Percent Active Alkaloids (Psilocin + Psilocybin)
Compost grown Psilocybe (Stropharia) cubensis	0.5-0.9 percent
Compost grown Panaeocus (Copelandia) cyanescens	0.5-2.95 percent
Psilocybe tampanensis sclerotia	0.3 percent

2002: The Dutch Keurinsgdienst van Waren

Note that alkaloid content can vary between each specimen.

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Everything the OP needed to know.

[chinpokomaster]

Do you mean Psilocybe Cubensis?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia(Psilocybe Cubensis)

The concentrations of psilocin and psilocybin, determined by high-performance liquid chromatography, were determined to be in the range of 0.14–0.42%/0.37–1.30% (dry weight) in the whole mushroom, 0.17–0.78%/0.44–1.35% in the cap and 0.09–0.30%/0.05–1.27% in the stem.

Can't find equivalents for Philosopher Stone truffles... but feel free to look yourself as well!

[Gorgonzola]

Thank you Phungushead,
Lots of interesting infos.
I guess, I have to try it again (probably mexican) in order to see if like it as much as hawaiian mushies (knowing that it will be diffrent anyway).