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My tale of fifteen years of DXM abuse... ...and looking for advice like everyone else
Hi. I found this notebook at the park yesterday and thought it was filled with some interesting and horrifying things. Maybe you'd like to read it, I entered the text below.
-------------------------- I'm 32, live with parents, social outcast, no job, no job experience, little worldly experience, not much college, no degree, no money, no car, no license, no health insurance or anything like that. I get free room and board with my parents and help out around the house - you know, one of the worst kinds of losers. I have avoidant personality disorder with a bunch of anxiety and depressive disorders and actually some other problems I won't get into here. I was hoping to maybe see what people had to say about what, if anything, I should do, but at least to read my experiences to pass the time or perhaps to sneer at. I have no money, my parents have some, but I'm not going to be able to do a lot concerning therapy or help really. I don't particularly want to go to NA or AA. I thought maybe about going to see an addiction specialist, but that could be kind of expensive and I have an idea of what he would offer. I also thought about maybe going to see a doctor about getting a heart exam, but I was concerned about explaining to him why I thought there might be damage.... besides , I'm avoidant, the last thing I want to do is to have to talk to professionals about my problem.... As it is, I'm taking it day by day. I haven't done DXM since my last heart episode about 5 weeks ago that scared the hell out of me. Opiates, eh, all I've been doing is buying poppy seeds, but they don't do anything for me (can't buy enough at once here to matter). I'm committed to not taking DXM again for as long as possible. The opiates, well, I tell myself I'll get more poppy pods in december, if I can possibly wait. Otherwise right now I putter around the house, get some walking exercise, smoke weed and cigarettes, and deal with my post-acute withdrawal stuff. A week ago I met someone on the net (*gasp* you say, how unlikely!), but seriously, someone I could relate to (not in a romantic way, as a friend). He is not an addict or actually a drug user at all but he grew up with in a dysfunctional family of abusers and knows what drug abuse is like. We talked a whooole lot in the last week about my problems (and his too), mainly my drugs problems, and so I wrote him an autobiography of my life. Part of the autobiography is detailed below, just all of the parts about DXM abuse (I cut all the sex and other boring stuff out :P ). If it sometimes seems to be disjointed or jump around, it's probably because I redacted something out. Or just my confused disorganized mind :P If you want the too long; didn't read version: too bad. I tried writing it but it was too long. So you have to read the whole thing. And oh ya, I don't condone shoplifting. It starts below. Websites were beginning to spring up, the world wide web was being born (1994). This was when I began my comprehensive drug education online, reading faqs and forums and exploring what was out there. This was when I discovered DXM, through William White's pretty excellent and comprehensive DXM faq that was around back then. We now know that there were some erroneous facts in his guide (particularly about Olney's Lesions), but overall it was an excellent resource. I was probably near the end of my 17th year when I discovered DXM. It was to be the biggest change of my entire life. Hmm, yeah. So, I thought, hey, this sounds like it could be interesting, and I can use this as research into jaunting, or exploring my inner mind and outer worlds. I can be a psychonaut and really understand my own potential and open my mind.So I began to experiment with it. Easy enough, you go down to Kroger's and buy one bottle of Robitussin max cough syrup or a pack of Drixorals for xxxx and you take it and see what happens. Mainly, this is what would happen on an average dose: take an hour to begin after drinking, then shortly afterwards you would "peak" or what I used to call have a mind orgasm, which was what it felt like, and was extremely intense. Usually you would be nauseous from drinking the syrup, so you would smoke a joint right at the peak. Now, it is well known that unlike most drugs, marijuana and DXM have synergistic properties and greatly enhance the other. When I ever did DXM, I pretty much had to have some weed on me to do it, otherwise it was not nearly as fun. Anyways, so you would peak, smoking a joint. The "trip" would last about eight hours, with up to a 24 hour "glow" afterwards. This WAS a trip, do not mistake me, with opiates, well opiates do act on the central nervous system as well, but they don't have the psychedelic or disassociative properties. Opiates don't take you anywhere, they don't give you a "trip" to another world or anything, they just make you feel good. Take opiates, feel good. It wears off, take more, you feel good again, you know? DXM you would take once and it would fuck you up and send you off into space for at least eight hours, but usually all through the following day. I loved it a lot for just this reason, how it lasted so long and felt so great. high amount of euphoria, more euphoria than I typically get from opiates (pods). flushing of the skin, your skin all over your body would be hot with heat, with blood flowing close to the surface, all of the pores in your skin all over your body would be dilated as wide as possible, and your skin would be very, very sensitive in a very, very nice way. Extremely pleasurable. Libido would not exist. Some confusion. Your limbs and body would feel so light that you could just jump off the surface of the Earth or something, it was so great. music was unnaturally godlike and awesome. also, disassociation from the world. not understanding things or able to really function. The most important part of the DXM trip, in my mind, was it being a "trip". It made everything you did feel like you were doing it for the first time ever, in such a good way, I mean, you know, you do something cool like play a video game a few times and it's not quite as fun since you get experienced with it, right, but even if you had played a previously fun game extensively, on DXM you could play it and you would have the reward feeling like it was the first time you had ever played it, even though you hadn't forgot what it was like or how to play it or anything, it was just that feeling like, wow, this game is soooo fun. Movies, also. Watching a movie on DXM tended to make you really think that you were in the movie and it was really happening, in a total good way. I remember watching The Name of the Rose, set in medieval times about monks and mysteries in an old castle, and I'm saying, I felt like I was back in 1359. I can't explain it to you any more than that; how if you woke up in 1359, you were really there and interacting with everyone and everything, that's what it was like to watch this movie. And thats the way any movie was on DXM. It was beyond fabulous, it was divine. literally utopia, a cosmic mystery, an opening to another universe. The other thing that was the greatest of all about the trips was this intense feeling of creativity and feelings of insight, very similar to LSD. You felt like you were figuring stuff out, you were finding out answers to the universe and yourself, many of your thoughts felt insightful and even prophetic. You felt like you experienced something from a higher plane, or that God had touched you. Several trips I did feel like I had met God. You felt as if something was revealing the cure to cancer for you, or what the meaning of life was, or how to manipulate reality to create magic, whatever. I mean, though, this was like, you would feel like you were Einstein or something, and then the next day you would look at all the stuff you scribbled down that seemed so important the night before and it would all be gibberish. So yeah, you just can't fully understand all of the changes this made to my life unless you have lived through it. It was the best thing that had ever happened to me. Finally I had a way out, I could ignore everything and delve into a world of PC games, Playstation games, and exploring the nether zones of transmogrified, divine, holy, super reality that DXM tinged and soaked my life and mind with. Tolerance rises fairly rapidly with frequent DXM use, and during this period (17-19) I was using it once a week, always on fridays. Adam had found other friends and was always gone all friday, saturday, and sunday, and my parents left me alone. It was a time where my bedroom door was always shut, I came out for dinner and ate it back in my room, there was no contact at all and no talking about anything, everyone was off doing their own shit. My mom was doing a bit better after the ECT treatments but was only partially there. Over time I was moving to higher doses to achieve my medium-level effects. Low-level doses only make you feel like your drunk but you're still sober and can talk and everything, so I liked medium level doses for ALL the good effects and a few bad ones, seeing straight could be difficult or recognizing objects. But the majority of everything was so close to my heart, I wanted to do this always, for the rest of my life, I couldn't live without it. It was a fantastic, prolonged dream. These were the good years of my DXM abuse. So, this happened in like 1995, right when I turned 18. My parents were letting me take a year off before I started college, so I had tons of free time. I was still gaming with my roleplaying group and everything. no job or anything and no obligations, at all. There is a game and a music cd that define my early DXM use and were so enhanced they were basically the holy grail for me, especially you know, when I was all fucked up. That was Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works Vol II, and the Playstation game Final Fantasy Tactics. I had picked it up on a whim when I was wandering around Sears, of all places, seeing hey, it's final fantasy, I adore that stuff anyways but I didn't know anything about FFT when I bought it. I thought it was going to be a role playing game. For me it was the best game ever made for the Playstation, no question. I probably played a thousand hours on that game, playing it through again and again, raising everyone's skills to as many classes as possible, attaining all the secrets, but anyways it wasn't just that it's one of the best games ever made; it was during the best times of my DXM use, when everything was so good and perfect, and it enhanced it to something that is not reproducible again for me. It was a once in a lifetime event. No other drug could do this. I just recently played through the game again on an emulator on my PC and it was fun, but not anywhere near the same, and made me melancholic and wistful for old times. I only played it about halfway through. OK, so everything was so glorious. If I could have stopped here, it would have been so great, because everything pretty much goes downhill from here. To let you know, I started using DXM when I was 17 and the last time I used it was last month (at the age of 32). So 18-20 or so. Had all this money from the inheritence, always high and fucked up on DXM, having a great time. All that was over, then my parents decided to start a small business. It was mainly to help my Mom really become herself again. So they started this little store at a flea market that mostly sold kid's toys, junk toys, knock-off stuff. They would leave on saturday mornings and be gone all day, and the same on sunday mornings, so this left me completely alone for the entire weekend with money, weekend after weekend I would wait til they left early in the morning and immediately walk the 2 miles along the freeway down to the Kroger's and buy DXM, then trip on drugs all day while they were gone, then sometimes do it on Sunday, too. My usage of DXM was increasing in both amount and frequency... I was doing it 2-3 times a week, usually every three days or so, but always on saturday during the day. I had so much money at the time, with no costs at all, I'd buy all kinds of candy and magazines and books and stuff from kroger's and randall's. So by the time I was 21-22, my gaming group had fallen apart. Near the end, Alvin was gone, so it was just me, bob, dave and chad, and sometimes guests. It was an hour's drive to get to dave's house from mine, and bob lived pretty close to me; chad lived about in between. So bob was assigned to drive, he would pick me and chad up for the game, we would game all night, then bob would drive us home, dropping off chad, then me. he also worked on the same day we gamed, so he was very tired, and it was always VERY scary on the last leg of the way home, after we had dropped off chad and it was just me and him. He would constantly fall asleep while driving, and I would be struggling the whole way to keep him alert. Pretty scary stuff, happened every weekend.... So... then there's this incident. My local Kroger's, I had stolen DXM from there a couple of times. One weekend, Bob was taking me home from the AD&D game at 5 in the morning, and I told him to just drop me off at the Krogers, and that I would walk home. I went into the Krogers and attempted to shoplift some DXM. I had my backpack with all my gaming books with me, but I stuffed the DXM into my back pocket, two boxes of pills so about xxxx worth which I had the money for but for some reason wanted to steal it to save the money. I bought some other stuff at the register and I was walking out, the store manager grabbed me by the backpack and told me to stay. I squirmed out of my pack and ran out the front doors, terrified, not knowing what to do and scared as hell. I came out into the parking lot and there was already a sheriff's cruiser in the lot, lights flashing. I thought about just running, there was a bayou that ran alongside the store, with residences on the other side, so I almost did. I was crying hysterically and panicking. So I stopped in the parking lot and went back into the store. They basically bitched at me, made me pay for the DXM, which I could afford thankfully, told me to never come into the store again, the sheriff took my ID and wrote my name and ID number down. I walked out with the sheriff and he searched my backpack and I had a very small amount of marijuana stashed in there with some zigzag rolling papers. He made me take the papers and weed and throw them into the trashcan. (I had plenty of weed at home so wasn't worried about that; I was totally relieved that not only did I not get arrested for shoplifting but no arrest or fine for the marijuana, either.) I think it was because I looked so young and I was crying and earnestly sorry. So he told me to walk straight home and he didn't want to see me again. So. 6 AM, hafta walk two miles home, I have the DXM, take the dxm while walking home, but it hadn't affected me yet. I mean, that's all I cared about, I was so glad they let me buy it. Almost home, think, well, I have no rolling papers at home so I should stop in the 24hr convenience store and buy some. I go in, buy some zigzags, as I'm walking out, who do I see but the same damn sheriff, and he looked pissed. He was like, I thought I told you to go straight home! And I'm like, I live in this neighborhood, I had to come this way, I promise, I'm going straight home. Thankfully, he didn't see the rolling papers in my hand that I had just bought. He would have been furious. So I went home, got all fucked up, and tried to forget about what happened... I avoided that Krogers for a couple years after that, but there was the Randalls right across the street from the Krogers, so it didn't stop my access to DXM. They had these really great DXM sucrets you could buy really cheap, (they don't really put dxm in sucrets cough drops any more (at least around here) for abuse reasons) and I would buy 2-3 bags of sucrets and crunch them all on the walk home. Man, I love DXM. I wish I could still do it. I wish I was back there and then again. My second phase of DXM abuse had started. I was taking it more often, it was my second year in the community college and I was beginning to skip all my classes, and I was beginning to feel the long-term affects of always using DXM, the fatigue and lack of any sobriety, how some of the good effects I used to get were disappearing, and the other great effects were not as intense or "there" as they should be. It was tolerance and the heavy experience, I was burning out on it. I began skipping all of my classes in earnest, lying baldly to my mom and dad about how good each class was or what happened that day. I took evening classes, so I had like one class a day, from like 6:30 pm to 9:30 or so, and so I would skip the class that night and walk down away from the college to the HEB store and buy DXM and take it and go to the K-mart and buy music cds and stuff, listening to my walkman. This was all I did. By the time I was 23 (in 2000), it started being apparent that there was a problem to my family. I kept withdrawing from my classes, I was a wreck, I had left my facial growth to grow out on its own and it had, I had not bothered with my hair, so I looked like a wild man. I was playing Nethack and ADoM (like nethack) 24-7 and always fucked up. There were episodes. I had been stealing money from my parents, just a dollar here or there out of the purse or whatnot, and my mom had coffee cans full of change in her closet, and over time these coffee cans began to empty more and more as I pilfered from them. One time I had overdosed on antihistamines, basically I took 800 milligrams of diphenhydramine, aka sominex or benadryl, when the normal dose is 25-50 mgs. I did this because I was totally bored and wanted something interesting to happen. I knew what the possible effects would be by doing research. I did it with DXM at the same time. Anyway, I had a psychotic episode, basically, well, it was like I was blacked out (I had never been "blacked out" before or really since), almost like sleepwalking and doing really weird shit like putting toothpaste in the kitchen sink and losing my glasses in the trash and crap, and talking all kinds of crazy stuff that didn't make any sense. My parents were concerned and after everything wore off later that day they decided to have me start seeing somebody. I had already been to see therapists in the past, and had been on antidepressants at various points, and the whole thing began again. The therapist had no idea what to do with me and the psychiatrist put me on more drugs. I promised to never overdose on antihistamines again, and I haven't. Believe me, it was no fun at all, there is very little recreational potential in antihistamines (for me). It was more like being poisoned into a sick-flu delirium type deal, like having a fever and being delirious. it sucked. anyways, life went on for a bit until July of the year 2000, when my parents really began to discover how ground in I was and how severely this tar baby had gotten stuck to me. I ordered a bag of 100 grams of pure DXM (you only need about a half gram for a trip, so that would've been around 200 trips worth). It is not illegal to order pure DXM, even in 2000 though before the company would sell it to me for "research purposes" they made me record a voice recording of me saying I wouldn't use it for any unauthorized purpose, etc. Anyway, they sent it to me. I managed, barely, to intercept the package as it arrived at the house, but everybody knew something was going on and were suspicious. The next day Final Fantasy IX also came in the mail, everybody was gone, I was taking DXM powder without having any idea of how much I was taking, and I basically became an emotional wreck and was all fucked up while playing final fantasy IX in the living room when my parents came home, and they were just like, hand over your stash, this is over. And I handed over a nearly 100 gram bag of pure DXM. And they confiscated it and later dumped it. I bitterly regret losing that bag and I still daydream about having it. Man, what a waste! Only to save my life! Why couldn't they have not taken it and let me rot with it forever. So, I had a big emotional type breakdown and cried for a few days, trying to recover from my self-induced 5 year coma. There was gum in my hair and my teeth were a mess and damaged. I got my hair cut, my beard shaved off (the only time I've ever had a beard was during those few years), tried to straighten things out. I continued doing DXM on the sly, waiting for everyone to go to sleep then sneaking out the window, walking all the way up to the store, all the way back, sometimes in very bad weather, every time the walk was exhausting and impossible to continue to do but I did it because I had to have my DXM. I flew under the radar. No one really noticed. I wasn't going to college anymore, at 25 I guess, I started working at Kroger's, but it wasn't the local one I got busted at, it was a bit further away and was a bigger, Signature store. I worked there a full year at just above minimum wage and I never got the raise they promised me. We were graveyard shift stockers and it was a very difficult, manual labor job. Many times would my shirt be wet through from the sweat and during this year I managed to fuck up my back. I wasn't friends with my co workers, but they accepted me as a fringe outsider. Still, they all went for drinks after work (which would be 8 in the morning, lol) but I was never invited. The manager who controlled us often came in drunk. Everybody was pretty wild but got along. While working at that Kroger's I was making real money for the first time basically ever, and that was a lot of freedom as I had been broke a while. Mainly it was MY money. So of course, all the time while I worked there I'd buy DXM after work and take it as soon as I got home, working then tripping on dxm than going back to work the next night without any sleep. I was pushing my body to the breaking point. So, about DXM again. There were many brands, that changed over the years, although the Robotussin was a constant brand, the others changed a lot. Eventually a brand called Coricidin: Cough (for high blood pressure) came out about this time. It is still stocked today. (This was during 2001 & 2002 though.) The problem is that not only did I have very low blood pressure already, but Coricidin has this really weird antihistamine in it designed for people with high blood pressure. Of course, they don't expect you to take 40 pills, either, which I did, frequently, every few days, for the DXM, but the antihistamine that was combined with the DXM was very bad for me. People have died from doing what I did, there have been several fatalities, so, it could have killed me, considering I was doing it ALL the time. So I was mainly taking the Coricidin, and it was changing the nature of my DXM trips in very weird ways. I had already long been taking higher doses of DXM to get the same effects that I used to, except instead of the same effects I tended to dose too high, where you wouldn't really get euphoria and instead you just get really confused. So, I spent a lot of days in a state of severe confusion, disorientation, and short term memory loss so bad that I'd cry in frustration looking for that joint I put down 15 seconds ago and now couldn't find where it is, search for an hour for it and finally find it, weeping with relief that I could go smoke my joint now. All of this was the way it was when I started taking Coricidin. I started having really weird full-blown hallucinations while taking my dangerous Coricidin trips, like that I was floating up in a satellite in orbit with the Earth spread below, and that it was this super-advanced satellite that Earth didn't know about and it was used to control all reality on earth, you could move the controls around to see anywhere on earth at any time, into the past or future, and all the major prophets and stuff were up there controlling and observing the Earth. Really weird. Once I saw the end of the world, where Russia attacked and nuked Israel and a nuclear war started and it was all really detailed and like I was seeing it like it was a movie. A lot of this was some weird fucked up delirium from the antihistamines reacting with the DXM. Then I had my first heart episode thingy, because of the stupid Coricidin. I was having some hallucination while tripping, it's hard to explain, but it was like I was seeing this giant glowing flower that was opening up, and it was right near me, and I was trying to put my hands or arms around it, and as it was opening it was pulsing in a regular rhythm, and I began to realize the pulsing was growing more intense and that it was my heartbeat, and I tried to draw back from the flower but it was all sticky and it took a great amount of effort to do, anyways, somehow I had gotten into a feedback loop concerning my heart beating and it was pretty intense, I thought I was going to have a heart attack, but I was OK. Times had changed. This was in around 2001-2002. I had already gone through the primary phase of my addiction and was thoroughly in the burnout stage. I still used DXM regularly, every three days or so, sometimes back to back days. I had long been scrounging for money and I was just a mess after giving up the 100 gram bag of DXM. I was taking anti-depressants again and I was rotated over time onto different ones, being on each one probably six months. I wound up on a medication called Cymbalta. I was on Cymbalta perhaps four years, like 2004-2008, had been on antidepressants for many of the years preceding. The problem with this is that during all my years of seeing therapists and getting antidepressants I was using high levels of DXM. There is a chance for serotonin syndrome if you combine abuse-level dosages of DXM and regular dosages of SSRIs or MAOIs. I probably did go through some of that; also, the antidepressants tended to inhibit the potency of the DXM. Yet, you can't just stop taking your antidepressants - you have to taper, and even tapering can be horrible. So I continued to take them even thought they weren't helping me, either from chance or more likely because I was fucking with my neurotransmitters with DXM at the same time. Sometime during this period was when I got "caught" shoplifting again. AGAIN, my second time for trying to steal DXM, my third time being nabbed on ANY shoplifting, and all three times I was nabbed I wasn't charged and was just let go. Thankfully! Basically it was the same Kroger's I had been caught shoplifting 4-5 years before, how stupid of me. They had banned me from going in when I was originally caught, but over the years I started going back in just to buy regular stuff again and had no problems, management had changed. I went into the kroger's with a shitload of change, nipped from my parents' changejars, with the intention of buying some dxm, and stealing some more dxm. I poured all the change into the CoinStar machine and it added it all up and gave me a little coupon thing that you turn in at the register for the credit. Then I went and stole some dxm by getting a cart and walking throughout the store picking up stuff in the cart so I wouldn't look suspicious. Anyways someone noticed and while I was in line he told me to hand it over, so I gave him the DXM. He kinda looked like a plains clothes or maybe just store security but he seemed on the professional side, in either case. He told me to leave, and I was like, fuck, I have $10 on the CoinStar coupon that has to be cashed the SAME DAY and it was night already so I basically lost the money on it AND had no DXM! That sucked.... That was actually probably pre-2001 right there. In 2001 I think it was (I have a hard time with the order and dates of when things have happened) was when I started working at the other Kroger's, the signature store on Normandy Drive. That was hard, it was the only real job I've ever kept. I worked there for a year and they worked me like a dog for $7.50/hr. Some weeks I would work 50-60 hours, and this is all manual labor stuff, stocking shelves, crushing boxes and stuff. Pain in the ass, but my obsessive/compulsive side that loved to sort was ALL into it. I already talked about this job some... but I did steal DXM all the time at this store too. Sometimes I bought it, but most of the time since we worked graveyard shift I would wait until about five in the morning and go get a shopping cart and go through all the aisles picking up all the leftover crap and I would head to the pharmacy side and drop some dxm in with the trash and leftover stuff in the cart, then wheel it to the back and steal the dxm. Anyways, I did that a bunch of times, at least ten times, stealing it, I mean. I had long since stopped taking the damaging combination of drugs in Coricidin, once I read about them online. I probably took Coricidin for 4-6 months. Then it was just the Robotussin cough syrup, a somewhat foul thick liquid that tasted pretty nasty/sweet, but I had grown to love the taste over the years and could just chug it 4 oz down in one or two gulps without any chaser or anything. Plus it had lots of alcohol and other additives and stuff in it like thickeners and stuff that just really made your digestive system active. Is that the right word? So finally they came out with the Robotussin CoughGels that were just pills of liquid gels of DXM, and you only had to take 20-40 of them to get high..... a lot of pills, but no bad taste, and I got used to swallowing three gel pills at a time, knock all the pills out in ten minutes. Very practiced at my profession, yes I am. This was a time when my parents were worried, I was seeing people for help, I was on the antidepressants, my brother had stopped going out all the time and was staying home as much as he could to watch over me like a hawk. Many times would I be patiently waiting for him to go to bed, waiting until I was sure I could leave, sneaking out, getting dxm, then coming home and finding adam or worse my dad waiting for me. I always made sure to take the dxm on the way home after they confiscated it once. I was doing everything I could to keep taking it, no matter how many betrayals or lies it took.... I mean, I wouldn't like steal a credit card, or anything like that, but just small amounts of money that wouldn't go noticed. Over time they began picking up on this, making sure the purse isn't being left out of their bedroom at night, etc. Lots of suspicion and paranoia and nobody could figure out how to stop me from doing what I was doing, besides kicking me out or something, and they weren't going to do that. Eventually Adam began honing his instincts towards my intoxication. I was to the point where I was taking very low doses of DXM all the time and it would leave me in a somewhat drunken, slightly-slurring, slightly intoxicated state, and he got to the point where he could ALWAYS tell when I'd been using. So, up to this point, circa 2007, I had never done opiates in my life. I think I might have had 1 script of vicodin once, but it didn't make too much of an impression, I mean, I wasn't going to go out looking for pills, you know? I had my DXM. So while Adam and I were alone in the old house, I was continuing to struggle with frequent DXM abuse and Adam kept catching me doing it. Things were getting hairy. Adam was very strung-out over all my problems and how I kept betraying him and sneaking around and always doing it. My teeth had basically fallen apart, a lot of them, and I got a realllly bad infection in one of them. I had been getting dental infections for quite some time. Sometimes they would go away. Sometimes I had antibiotics and I would kill it off without going to the dentist. This time I tried to hope it would go away, used all the home remedies I knew of, and it kept getting worse. The pain was excruciating, unbearable. The swelling grew up my cheek and began pooling into my eye socket. I knew I had to go see someone. I went to some random dentist. (I've gone through many dentists and most were horrible. I've also never had a GP since I was like 10). The dentist checked me out and told me he couldn't do anything for me; he advised me to go to the emergency room. I didn't say it, I should have, but I was like, what the fuck, you know I am in a shitload of pain, a huge amount of pain, and you won't even help with antibiotics or painkillers. ESPECIALLY the painkillers, he knew I must have been in a huge amount of pain, AND he knew I would have to go to the emergency room where I would have to wait at least 6-8 hours for any pain relief. But he didn't do a damn thing, he let me walk out and sent me on my way. Damn him. So I had to go to the fucking emergency room. I sat in a lobby for a long time before they even saw me, then they talked to me, and I had to go sit and wait again. I had no insurance. I waited about 8 hours before they FINALLY gave me 2 vicodin, which only helped a bit. Those 8 hours were really horrible. Then I had to wait another 2 hours and they finally gave me a prescription for 20 vicodin and said to come back the next day. No antibiotics. So I was OK that night from the painkillers but I had to take quite a few to help. (had never really used vicodin before; had no opiates problem yet, only the DXM). I went back the next day at like 8 in the morning, had to wait like 3-4 more hours. Finally they call me in and say they are extracting. I'm like, uh, I have swelling into my eye, this is going to be painful. Well, it was. It's not family dentist or anyone who actually CARED about my pain. The stupid guy was on a schedule. he gave me one or two shots and didn't even wait for them to really take effect and he tried to pull it. I was basically screaming and he's just like, relax, but damn, that was one of the most painful things I've ever experienced when he pulled that tooth. It was my left canine. The torment was unbelievable and I was on like five vicodin I had taken, it cut through everything and smacked me sober. I was crying when I walked out, crying hard. So they gave me another prescription of Vicodin and that was it. That adventure was over.... but never get an infected tooth pulled in the emergency room. Besides, they charged me like 1,500-2000 for everything.. when the dentist could have done it for almost a tenth the cost; but he was too scared because of how bad the infection was. So after that happened then we moved here, where my parents had already been getting everything all home-like and everything. I told Adam, I'm going to try to stop the DXM, moving to a new house is a fresh start, I'll try to change. Of course I tried; it didn't work. So it wasn't long before I was sneaking out at night and walking to the Randall's (2 miles each way) and buying more cough syrup. I kept getting caught. I remember one of the times I was walking home at 2 am and rain started pouring down. I came home and I was soaked to the bone and freezing and Adam and my Mom were awake. The stupid dog had woke them up and they couldn't find me. They were so mad. Another time during this period (May-August 2007) I walked at 2am down to the Randall's but before I could get there Adam pulled up next to me in the car. I was so pissed that I hadn't got the DXM first... -_- So Adam's pulling his hair out, he's done everything he could try and I still won't stop. We had been working on a system where I could use DXM every 2 weeks or so as long as he supervised me and I promised not to do it elsewhere. This didn't last long; I kept sneaking around. But there was another incident. Another heart incident. It was pretty traumatic for me AND Adam. It was an "authorized" dose so I was allowed to do it, I was so excited to be able to do it with his permission; him, he was willing to try anything to get me to slow down, not use so much, etc. So I took a fairly large dose and everything was alright but weird until I peaked. Usually you peak on DXM about 2 hours after you take it, and like I said I always smoke a joint around the same time to maximize the peak. Adam was on my computer played Civ 4 I think, and I was on his computer (since his puter didn't have civ 4 he had to play on mine). Anyway, I guess I was peaking and laying down on my stomach on the ground (his monitor was on the floor, he's crazy that way) and I suddenly felt like my heart had stopped beating, or something had happened with my heart. Actually at the time I was convinced that a heart valve had gotten stuck and I was about to die. It sounds weird and I guess it was the drugs; but remember, I had had another heart episode a few years before with the Coricidin, the beating sticky heart-flower thing that somehow I had gotten into an internal feedback loop with my heart, etc. So this was the second heart incident, and I got up shouting and hitting my chest with my fist and I came running in to see Adam and I was screaming My heart, My heart, I'm dying, and I was totally flipped out off the wall manic apeshit crazy. And he was hugging me and saying goodbye pretty much and I was in such a manic state I licked up into his ear, gross as it sounds, because I was doing anything to be able to touch my brother while I was dying, I was convinced I was dying. And then it was over, I sank to the ground in his arms, and nothing happened. Life continued. This hurt Adam a lot. It was almost torture for him, because he believed as well as I did that I was dying, and afterwards he just got really angry and hurt and upset, and I don't blame him. Anyway the rest of the night was fine but we decided that I wasn't going to do DXM any more. Then I see this article on the internet. About this guy who got into poppies. And that gave me an idea. - THE POPPY SEASON - I started thinking, well, I can use the poppies instead of the DXM. I mean, you're not supposed to abuse DXM more then every month or two AT MOST and I had been using it for over a decade, every three days or so. I was a wreck, totally burned out, heart problems, teeth destroyed, life destroyed, just everything fubar. All my energy levels were depleted and I was having a hard time (basically the way I am now). I talked to Adam about it and he reluctantly agreed. I set up a schedule of when I could take poppies to combat my DXM addiction. Then I began ordering poppy pods. It didn't take long before I was doing it all behind Adam's back, and for a few months it was pretty great. Then it started to suck as I had to use it to prevent getting sick. This was all of 2008. I would run out of poppies, order more. I was eating it all the time, no longer making tea except every once in a while; instead I was just swallowing the powder by the spoonful. All the time, every day, just to keep from getting sick, occasionally using more than I needed, so I could get high sometimes. I would basically be up for 2 days then crash and sleep 18 hours. This cycle went on for a long time. This was about the time I kicked Cymbalta. I knew a lot about it through research and decided I was fucking done with antidepressants, possibly forever. There's so many bad things about them. I know they do a lot of good things for my Mom (who is also on Cymbalta, among other things like Abilify) but they have fucked me up. So I was like, OK, I know how bad it's going to be, but I'm going cold-turkey off Cymbalta without seeing my psychiatrist. Man, this sucked... really bad. It's funny how the drug manufacturers fight so hard to be able to legally say, ANTIDEPRESSANTS ARE NOT ADDICTIVE, but by all major medical definitions of the word 'addiction', they are. They cause withdrawals when you stop taking them. They don't call this withdrawal, even though it is. they call it "sudden discontinuation syndrome". You get LOTS of bad things happen to you when you stop taking Cymbalta: dysphoric mood, irritability, agitation, dizziness, sensory disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations), anxiety, confusion, headache, lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, hypomania, tinnitus, and possible seizures. These symptoms are generally self-limiting but have been known to be severe. The worst was the electric shock sensations through your limbs ALL the time, it was really shitty. Also, brain zaps: they suck so bad, especially when you move your head or turn your head even just a little bit then you'd get electric zaps through your brain and down your body, it was really bad. So I went through this for a couple of weeks of increasingly severe symptoms to the point where I was in agony, couldn't function, and desperate. I finally went and saw my psychiatrist, and he put me on wellbutrin right away. I begged for some anxiolitics, something like xanax or something just for a few days during the transition, but he refused, So i had to suffer for a few more days until the wellbutrin brought all my levels back up again. Heartless bastard, not knowing what it was like, fuck him!! So I was on wellbutrin for another 6-8 months and then I quit it cold turkey. It was not nearly as bad, but it still sucked. And I haven't seen my psychiatrist or any other therapist since, and haven't been on antidepressants again. This was late 2007. In the fall of 2008, about a year ago, I began getting these heart issues. I'm not sure exactly what it is, I'd have to look it up again, but it's not fluttering, or murmurs. You know how, sometimes, like once in a blue moon, you'll feel your heart stop for a second, you'll hold your breath, and then it'll continue pumping with an extra-hard beat? That's normal. It happens to everyone every once in a while. But I started getting these attacks of them. Some evenings I would get the "missing beat" feeling like every 3-5 minutes for a couple of hours or longer. It would bother me before going to sleep. I think part of this heart thing was wear from the DXM, but the codeine/morphine was antagonizing it from the lower blood pressure and general depressed respiration. I got these heart episodes mainly through the fall of 2008, then it stopped and hasn't noticeably happened in 2009. This is a relief to me, but I'm still very concerned about my heart and the drug abuse. I guess we may as well get into the last heart incident. So, I've had all these heart issues. I had NOT USED DXM for almost 2 years except for just 3 or 4 small slips. HUGE DIFFERENCE compared to the every 2-3 days regimen I'd been keeping for over a decade. So I was basically OFF THE DXM but now I was totally addicted to opiates - in their natural form (which means codeine and morphine, but lots of weird other substances in the poppies, like thebaine). I had been spending more and eating more poppies and it was getting ridiculous as my tolerance increased. And of course Adam and I tried more schedules with the poppies and it didn't work, I kept getting around it and getting my fix instead of following the 'rules'. Finally Adam persuades me to kick in June of 2009. It was really bad, I've already gone over it with you before. It was horrible, really really bad. I basically didn't sleep for over a week and I'd hate to have to go through ALL the bad SYMPTOMS and HORRIBLE WITHDRAWALS like I did those 2 weeks. NOTHING would comfort. FINALLY kicked the opiates for 13 days. Started using again. Told myself it would be once a week, twice at most, knowing I was going to fail. Then Alvin and Dale come over, and they INSIST I go with them to their place for 2-3 days. I bring all my opiates of course, and pig out on them, and then when I got back home later, I was back in the daily habit again. Of course, it wasn't their fault, it was my fault, but it was a trigger to set me off. Anything would have done it, it wasn't realistic for me to expect that an addict could chip once a week and hope not to get addicted (with poppies, 1 time a week is pretty much guaranteed not to give you dependence; the thing is, sticking to once a week, lol.). OK so I was struggling with the opiates again, eating them all the time. As you know, I walk down to Kroger's almost every day for cigarettes. One of these days I walked past the cough/cold aisle, just looking, yeah right, and they were DISCONTINUING the Robotussin COUGHGELS from Kroger's and they were on sale for half price. Well of course, I started buying them, and bought a bunch. Then I saw they had the ZICAM MAX COUGH MIST SPRAY they normally you would use to spray a little DXM in your mouth to treat your cough, but what abusers do is take the lid off the spray bottle and just drink the contents: it's extremely concentrated DXM. It was also being discontinued and was half price. So my temptations gave way, I began fantasizing about DXM. I bought and tried some and it was just OK. One of the reasons why I had quit the DXM 2 years previous was also because of the tolerance. Over my decade of use most of the effects now were non-existent; I could drink a 4oz bottle of syrup (for a naive person would be a strong moderate dose of fucked up tripiness) and I would basically get like a marijuana type high with nothing else, it really sucked. It's called "losing the magic" and happens especially with DXM, opiates, and ecstasy. Actually with ecstasy and DXM abusers refer to the idea as the '50 trip limit', as in once you take that many doses then that's it, the magic is gone and you won't get it back. In actuality, it's the '50 trip limit' because anyone doing it that much doesn't wait long enough between doses (should wait at least 2-4 weeks between trips), and their tolerance slowly rises. So anyways, the whole point is, my "magic" (remember my Golden Years, how I raved about how good they were?) had long been gone with DXM and I was just kind of using it to not feel shitty, which of course the DXM use itself is what fucked up my brain to feel shitty to begin with (besides my natural depression and other problems). When all this DXM went on sale at Kroger's, I tried it once and it was just OK. Then I tried a higher dose and it brought me to a higher plateau (there are four plateaus when taking DXM; each one has very different effects). The magic had come back because I was hitting the upper second plateau again. I got all the old effects, almost to their old potency. The intense euphoria and all the other effects (insight, feeling of genius, other world, movies being real, etc) were there. I was playing Diablo 2 and I have played hundreds of hours on that game and last month when I took DXM Diablo 2 was, seriously, like a whole other game. It's hard to explain, but it was awesome. So I was having a great time with the magic having come back, and I was doing it like twice a week or so. The thing is, NOBODY COULD NOTICE that I was doing it because I was taking second-plateau sized doses, and Adam's HAIR TRIGGER where he could always tell I was fucked up, it wasn't working, because he was trying to sense me on first plateau doses. For example, slurring. I would not slur on these higher doses so it did not give me away. NO ONE HAD ANY IDEA I was doing it again, ON TOP of the opiates, too. So I played around with this stuff for like two months until about four weeks ago (around August 20th 2009). Then the next heart incident happened. This part, like a lot of my autobiography, is difficult for me to write about. First, it's impossible for me to convey to you how traumatic this experience was for me. In many ways it resembled some sort of heart attack. This was NOT psychological in any way; it was very physical. I did NOT overreact, or anything like that. It was very REAL and scared the living shit out of me and I thought I was going to die, for real. I just can't explain how devastating it was. Secondly, this just happened about five weeks ago and it's very fresh on my mind and I'm still really traumatized by it. Still, however I describe it, you can't know what it was like without experiencing it yourself. I had taken a fairly large dose of DXM, probably my 12th or so time since I had relapsed the month before. I took 680 mg, a rather extreme dose in a DXM-naive individual but a moderate dose for me, enough to get upper 2nd plateau effects. Again, it happened when I was peaking, about 2 hours after ingestion. I had just smoked a joint and come into the house and I was curling up on my chair and beginning to continue my Diablo 2 game. I began getting a weird sensation, actually it was hearing-based and I was like, what was that sound? Then I started having these weird internal reactions in my head, almost like a buzzing electric shock that was extended, amplified, whatever. This happened for a few minutes and after it ended I was like, wow, I think I just had a seizure, which I think is what it was. I had had minor ones with DXM use in the past that I maybe had not recognized as small seizures. Anyway, this seemed like a real seizure. Shortly after this happened, my heart got all fucked up. I don't know how to explain it. It almost felt like a burst, or like something held in place let go. It was almost like a bubble had formed outside the heart and blood was pulsing into the bubble. My heart was _sloshing_ in long, loud rhythms that were deafening in my ears, and I had a lot of pain in my upper chest. My left arm felt swollen and was extended out a bit from my body. I can't explain it more than that. I was freaked out, gonzo, this had never happened before and it was unmistakable that something had gone seriously wrong. I was walking all fucked up and I knew I was having some sort of episode. So I managed to get downstairs and I went and had a cigarette and that only helped a slight bit but I was a wreck. It wasn't that my heart was beating really fast, or anything like that, it was sloshing in an extended beat that was unlike anything else ever. It felt like my heart was coming out of my chest with every beat and it was painful and more than alarming, I was up in arms, I was totally freaking out. So I thought about it a while and debated and wanted to call 911 and wondered if I was going to die. This went on for about 20 minutes. I wanted to wake my parents up and see what to do. I kept going to their bedroom but hesitating at the door. Finally I opened it, but then I shut it again. After deliberating I went in and woke them up. The way they woke up and everything that transpired at that time caused me much shame and embarrassment, how they woke up and had no idea what was going on and how I had to explain everything about the DXM use I'd gotten back into and what was going on. My dad being a nurse, he checked me out, basically said, you haven't fallen over dead yet and it would have happened already if it was going to. He totally believed me and agreed that it wasn't just some psychological panic attack, it was very real and very similar to a heart attack. My mom went back to bed after we decided I would wait it out. I was afraid to sit down for two more hours because of the condition I was in. Near the end (the whole episode lasted about 3 hours), I was getting a very strange feeling, vast electric shocks going through the nervous system from my brain down into my right leg, down to the toes. It was horrible, it felt like dying. My heart also changed what it was doing and began to... vibrate. It was very scary for me. Then all that stuff stopped, and I was back to just tripping on DXM. So my Dad stayed with me the whole time and we talked very frankly for like six hours straight (helped that I was all at ease with no inhibitions since I was high on DXM). We worked out a lot of things, I was very honest with him and it opened up a lot of social barriers that had been interfering with our relationship. At that point I had to face my reality that I could not and should not ever do DXM again. I know I probably will, but I'm determined not to for as long as possible, hopefully for a number of years. This makes me very sad and angry. I know I had long since had all that I deserved from this drug but I want to be able to go back to the DXM universe (the 'dextroverse') more in the future, and that door has been shut against me because of my actions. So, yeah, it sucks. Since then (five weeks ago) I also kicked the opiates again, although it was very "mild" (ha!) this time, and now I've been dealing with all the post-acute withdrawals stuff, and determined not to buy more DXM. It's right there, at the store, right now, and I want to buy it right now. Five bucks, I can go get kind of fucked up. But it could KILL ME and I don't want to go through ANY MORE HEART EPISODES it scared the living shit out of me. I know you will say, well, maybe it taught me a lesson. But addiction tends not to teach lessons, it just grabs your heart with its inky black fist and squeezes until you die!!! tyrus568 added 58 Minutes and 7 Seconds later... Oh, yeah... this was my friend's reply: "Obviously, you know you have a problem... a critically serious problem, which will kill you if you continue to engage in it. It scared you enough to get you to stop, but you know you'll get urges again. In fact, you're still feeding your addictions with the poppy seeds [you bought 10 oz you've been eating] even though you know you shouldn't be doing it. You need to encapsulate your feelings that you have about dying right now... Get it all written down. On a piece of paper that will fit in your wallet or anything else that you carry on you all the time, write down the words "If I use again, I am going to die." When you get the urge, remind yourself of that. Your family knows you have a problem and they're deeply concerned about you. None of them want to lose you. They go out of their way to try to support you, because they know if left unchecked to your urges, you ARE going to die. Maybe even on your next flirtation with DXM. They're all making sacrifices, trying to give you strength. Lean on them, they'd rather have you ruin their day or week than have you die. Tell them that they need to go to the store with you, or you will be tempted and you will relapse. Get yourself into a NA support group. Yes, it goes against your avoidant grain. Everyone there is fucked up, just like you. Nobody is going to look down on you for being timid or an addict. Get your chip and start counting your sobriety. It is paramount to your continued existence that you remain sober. They don't give a damn about the [redacted] thing and it doesn't need to be brought up. You use because it is an escape from the anxiety and fear you carry as an avoidant. You're getting arrhythmia, it's only a matter of time before your heart gives out if you continue to use. Chances are, the nerves are already damaged. You may need a pacemaker before you hit 40 to make sure your heart stays in rhythm. You need to get better... again, you NEED to get better. This isn't something you can put off. You can be avoidant your whole life and still get by. Your body simply can't continue with the way you've already abused it if you continue to abuse it in the future. See about filing for medicaid, you should qualify given that you have no income. Unlike unemployment, they aren't going to try to force you to get a job, they'll just verify that you can't support yourself currently. You'll need to contact your county department of social services for that. Once you get that, get yourself a physician. Tell him about your abuse, leave out the opiates if you want, so you can continue to get pain killers in the future since you're worried about that. You need a physical and a cardiac exam pronto. The doctor isn't going to turn you into the cops for your drug abuse, he's going to try to assess the damage done to your body and get you the help you need to correct and/or live with it." -------- And my reply to him.... First, it's humid as hell out here and I was sweating a lot walking to the store because it's 80 degrees (at 11:30 at night) with 95% humidity.. the walk is only like a half mile each way though. therewas hardly anybody outside, which is pretty unusual. Didn't buy any cans of poppy seeds or anything like that; you'll know if I fuck up... I'm not going to lie by omission... but fuck up I'm sure I will. -_- ![]() It's not like I haven't been involved already in trying to understand my addiction and whether I should quit. I don't wanna quit. That's the problem, I'm very unhappy obviously, but I can't face the fact of quitting. My dad says that he thinks about me a lot everyday and has dreamed that maybe someday I'll just be struck like paul on the way to damascus and have some kind of spiritual conversion. He just doesn't want me to be unhappy and distressed. I'm having a hard time living from day to day. I can only try to focus on the day I'm in yet I'm having a hard time. I can't look to the future at all because then I'm looking at that commitment to quit. I'm pretty committed to stopping using DXM for as long as possible, but I doubt it will be the rest of my life. Quitting DXM isn't so bad as long as I have something else, i.e. opiates, sure. But quitting opiates too I have a hard time dealing with, even though I know they aren't the best thing for me. So I can only tell myself that I'm taking a break for a couple months, and that I'm going to get some poppies in december maybe. So if I can stop taking the poppy seeds and not have anything until december then, shit, that's good progress. Yep. even though the poppy seeds don't do shit for me but make me slightly less uncomfortable. and then slightly more uncomfortable a few days later. I shouldn't be doing them at all.. I am not going to do them anymore as far as I can help it. The main thing I want for me is not doing DXM. The opiates, well, I don't know, all 3 heart episodes were when I was peaking on large doses of DXM. Then I had all the heart arrhythmia episodes during the fall of last year, which all those episodes I was not using any DXM and I was on the opiates, so it seems like the opiates are, at the minimum, not helping with my health and could be contributing danger to my heart. Don't know for sure. The DXM I am very committed to not using for as long as I can. Another thing I wanted to say was that I'm considering posting on the drugs-forum.com part of the epic Saga, just the parts relating to the drug abuse, and see what various people have to say. with a tl;dr version. :P I don't think I can do this [referring to keeping a card in my wallet saying I will die if I do DXM]. I hate myself, why would I believe anything I wrote to myself. I can't depend on myself to do anything. Thank you for the advice, but to tell the truth it just seems cheesy to me, it's the same thing with AA and NA, I have a hard time tolerating it. I've been to AA for my problem, I know what goes on there. It doesn't seem to help me. I don't want to do the 12 steps. I have to work it out by trying to find support down different avenues. I relapse all the time. Once you realize the fact of relapse, then every time you use anything you also receive a complimentary large does of guilt. Because you know now that you can never, ever, just have it for fun anymore, with innocence; instead you are just deepening the dependence, digging a little deeper into your shallow grave. Recovery is rife with relapse. My family does do a lot of things for me. We've gone through all kinds of my shit because of my addiction, for a long time, and for a long time I lost a lot of trust they had in me, but things have gotten better. I know they love me. My parents love me unconditionally as far as I can tell. My brother loves me but he's also gotten jaded and resentful towards me in the last few years... understandably, but he has thawed a bit lately, still, he's been hurt a lot from my actions, so I can't blame him. I don't know how to lean on them beyond a certain extent. I've tried various ways, but I can't betray myself, I can't be like yesterday, going to kroger's, adam wants me to go in and get book of stamps and gives me a debit card, I can't tell him to come in with me. He would be so mad, but mainly it's: I made the decision I wanted to get them [poppy seeds], I can't then betray myself. Sometimes I have in the past, sabotaged myself so I can't get drugs, but rarely. (my heart literally skipped a beat here, wtf... hopefully an anomaly) I doubt I would go to NA, as they can be breeding grounds for drug contacts. I have been to AA, but admittedly only one time.. My equivalent right now is the drugs-forum.com. There's a lot of good support there, just no face-to-face contact... I don't need the chip. I know it's a physical symbol, but I can count my own sobriety, if I was crazy enough to be dedicated to hard-line sobriety. I don't plan to stay sober. If worst came to worst I would drink alcohol to relieve myself, but weed is a better alternative. I couldn't take life sober. Fuck, I would probably do something drastic. But even if I didn't then my life would be full of boredom and misery, you know, kinda like yours. Which I know isn't fair for me to say.... -_- Sure, I'm miserable now, but if I was sober I'd be more aware of how miserable I am, and life would be a little emptier. People have to have a release valve, you say I should never take any drugs recreationally again, yet you know I am a troubled emotionally arrested [redacted] confined to his house 95% of the time with all these avoidance and anxiety issues. What else am I supposed to do? I've looked at a lot of options. I'm too comfortable where I'm at. I need to make small changes to really influence my life. [Referring to heart failure] Sure, it's always possible, but you're no doctor. At least it's not the heart fluttering; people who have that heart problem, when the heart flutters, that's how it creates clots that eventually years later release and cause embolisms in the brain. But I don't get the heart fluttering; my heart was just skipping a beat more frequently then it should be, which I guess is arrhythmia. [Referring to getting help NOW] Of course I could put it off. Then I would probably get another heart incident, and if it was anything like the last one it would be really terrifying and nasty. It could or couldn't kill me, it could just damage me to where I would really regret it. I'm committed to not using DXM for as long as I can. I'm interested in possibly getting more support and help for my opiates problem, but I'm not sure what to do about that yet. [Referring to getting Medicaid] See, but I can't force myself to do it. It's too hard and confusing, and awkward and everything else. I'm not sure if I qualify for medicaid, living with my family and being above poverty level. My dad still files me as a dependent on his taxes. I feel so bad. I feel like such a dick. See, I go through and tell you all this stuff, all my problems, and then I ask you for advice, and then when you tell me what to do, I whine, "but that actually involved work!" and just want to run back into my room and close the door. "need to contact your county department of social services for that" and that, I just don't know if I can do that... how to do that, if it's by phone that sounds like it could be hard phone conversation to have.... I don't know... About the doctor, I just don't have any money. My parents do, but just letting me see the dentist is pretty expensive when it's all cash no insurance.... I think it was 250 last week and we were lucky since they didn't charge us for the nitrous (75) or the x-ray they took (prob 25 or so). My dad has mentioned something about a Gold Card for east texas. Which I have no idea what it is, I don't think it's medicaid, but I need to look into that too as that could help me find a doctor we could afford. I don't know, I need a cardiac exam. I don't know about doing this part, though, because even mentioning the DXM abuse, I'm reluctant to do that.... I don't know..... Well like I said I may make a long post on the drugs-forum and just kind of see what people say; some of them are really good at what they do, and I'll weigh it all together. Getting help is the problem, deciding what help is the best for me.... I have to want to quit. That's what it comes down to.. [friend has not replied to this message yet.] Last edited by Ilsa; 17-10-2009 at 08:56. Reason: Automerged Doublepost;price discussion |
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