Health - what are safe legal entheogens when taking SSRIs RX

[squirlygirl]

what are safe legal entheogens when taking SSRIs RX? I know saint johns wort and kava kava, kanna,dagga are out but what others can cause SSRI toxicity?

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[Potter]

A lot of them could... We're only now getting into that realm of data, every week new interactions and chemical makeups are discovered. These plants are not well studied and there's always a risk of dangerous interactions. Syrian rue is probably right out, S. divinorum would appear to be ok, as it works on a very different area of the brain, but as for others, risky business.

[squirlygirl]

been trying to do a bit of research for harm reduction and this what SWIM came up with so far..
any added info would be awsome

Kava kava-MAOI
Passion Flower-MAOI
Yohimbe -MAOI
St. John's Wort-MAOI
Banisteriopsis caapi(ayahuasca)-MAOI
Peganum harmala (Syrian Rue)-MAOI

Kanna-SSRI

Leonotis leonurus(Wild Dagga)-?
Kratom-?

Tyramine is an amino acid found in many commonly eaten foods and beverages, such as beer, whiskey, cheese, fish, pepperoni, salami, sauerkraut, and many others. Eating these foods while using anything with MAOI properties can cause hypertensive crisis

"Avoid mixing MAOIs and SSRIs.
This can lead to serotonin syndrome and can be dangerous.

Do not mix MAOIs with Stimulants (including MDMA).
This can lead to hypertensive crisis and can be deadly.

SSRIs in Combination with MDMA
Generally reduces the effects of the MDMA significantly.

SSRIs in Combination with Psychedelics
Generally reduce the effects of the psychedelic a bit.

MAOIs in Combination with Psychedelics
Generally increase the effects of the psychedelic significantly. Be extremely careful."

[Lady Codone]

The main thing to avoid would be MAOIs and anything that directly increases serotonin levels in the brain, such as 5-HTP or (possibly) ecstasy.

SWIM has taken SSRIs for over 9 years and has had no problems with the following:

*poppy tea
*San Pedro cactus (mescaline)
*propylhexedrine
*marijuana
*mushrooms (psilocybin)
*ephedra
*alcohol
*benzos
*prescription opiates (hydro/oxycodone, codeine, etc.)
*calamus
*sida cordifolia (ephedrine)
*caffeine
*muscle relaxants
*OTC sedatives, antihistamines, pain relievers and decongestants


Best advice is to research individual drugs and their interactions with SSRIs before trying, and even then start with small doses. SSRIs affect everyone VERY differently, as do most drugs, so what works for SWIM could be a nightmare for SWIY.