Overdose - How does dangerous overheating / dehydration while on MDMA feel like?

[mdman]

Can someone who knows their stuff or has experienced this before explain to me how it feels like?

SWIM had a very scary experience after dropping a single strong MDMA pill this summer. He had previously dropped one pill 2 days prior, and prior to that it had been six months.

anyway he was feeling great enjoying himself but had been sweating heavily for the past hour or so (so much that the girl he was with complained about getting sweat all over her). He had also not dranken any water except for a small water bottle while popping the pill.

He was not dancing much and spent most of the time wandering around and sitting down (pretty strong pill).

He was feeling that wonderful "roll feeling", you know, when it gets intense and decreases, then gets intense for a few seconds, then decreases again and so forth.

Then that intense feeling started getting too intense to the point where it was not pleasurable. something was wrong. His hearing started to go out and he started seeing colors. immediately he began to panic. He truly thought he was going to faint and die. he got up and started looking for a bouncer to get him to a hospital. he noticed how sweaty he was by looking at his arms. He felt his brain start to almost shake, or pulsate with colors interfering with his vision.

after about a minute or less of this, the feeling started to reverse. he went back, got some water and began feeling much better.

this had never happened to him before, and he had rolled on several E pills a year before that. at one point he did about 15-20 in a month. (nothing hardcore i know but that is still alot)

this experience makes him think very seriously about eating E again. E is his favorite drug and it would be a great shame if he did not get to experience it again. he is a responsible user who just wants to roll once every 3-6 months or so.

just based on an educated guess, he thinks that this happened due to dehydration and overheating. but this has never happened before so he isnt sure. if anyone who does know could describe how dangerous levels of overheating / dehydration feels like this would be very helpful.

thanks

[Dr. Satan]

MDMA causes a loss of self thermo-regulation.
After some major problems of "quality control", the consumption of Ecstasy can drive to important problems of health. The Ecstasy can provoke an important rise of the physical temperature, dehydration, nausea and exhaustion. These side effects complicate in the context for example in rave-party, or in a stuffy places. Indeed, the event is characterized by an intense physical activity during very long period, and also in an overheated atmosphere.
Benzodiazepines may be useful like Diazepam in this case. Or in severe cases Dantroline by injection.

A high ambient temperature and inadequate fluid replacement are not unusual. To avoid hypertermia, drink frequently some water in small quantities, and splash swiy's neck with cold water.

[mdman]

Thanks Dr. Satan.

Does the description match that of dehydration and overheating while on E?

[Dr. Satan]

Yes, especially if we consider that in Ecstasy there is MDMA. Besides, the consumption of Ecstasy provoke a emission of serotonine so strong that the important physiological functions are perturbed, namely the regulation of the body temperature and the regulation of the water by loins.
Besides, the presence of some other substances in Ecstasy as molecules similar to the MDMA, have a chemical structure close to the adrenaline or to the ephedrine, some psychostimulants (amphetamine), contribute to hyperthermia and to dehydration.
Ecstasy or/and (MDMA) + Alcohol, this mixture contributes strongly to the dehydration and to the overload of the liver.
Finally, the alcohol consumption decreases the perception of the alarms which announce the hyperthermia, muscular pains, etc...

[angelofsd]

Swim is an experienced roller and has both witnesses and experienced this once. Swim has never had a problem, even when afterf consuming multiple pills, except when hydration is ignored. In both Swim's and Swim's amigo's example there was excessive alcohol consumption. From swim's experience, there is not much of warning signs...Swim was sitting in the back seat of a truck listening to music....suddenly felt thirsty...asked for a drink of oj and then bam next thing you know Swim's girlfriend is screaming Swim's name while breathing into Swim's lungs. Swim's vision was gone for several minutes before returning and then vomitting an empty stomach of alcohol and pills. Again, in every other time that Swim has used multiple pill responsibly while drinking a proper amount of fluids...this has never been an issue.

[mdman]

SWIM had a single beer ~2-3 hours prior to the incident..

[angelofsd]

i think that swiy was low on fluids or the pill was adulterated....this is not common...the one time this happened to swim i felt the same way swiy did...the pill was strong...it was great...i was peaking...wait it's too much...something's wrong...i can't handle this...then bam...out

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[RaverHippie]

My raver friend thinks it's more likely that a hallucinogenic research chemical was an adulterant causing the unknown sensations.

[mdman]

While the pill was not tested by SWIM, but he does know that it had alot of MDMA (~120-150), this is certain. There could have been other substances but it felt pretty clean, and tons of other people around him had been on it without experiencing anything like this including some girls. It was the best pill at the time.

Perhaps it had something to do with being tired and not drinking much. angelo, what happened after that?