Heroin in ecstasy pills

[An Unfucky Lellow]

SWIM is curious about something ridiculous that swim's neighbor said. SWIM was asking about the E in swim's area, and was told that the best pills around now are orange and had heroin in them. To swim this was the dumbest thing swim had ever heard come out of a person's mouth. Swim told this person that that did not make any sense at all, and would be a waste of whoever's heroin, but swim's nieghbor insited that these pills had it in there. Swim was thinking that one would have to eat alot of heroin to feel it, which would be an expensive endevor, so putting it into a normal priced pill for the area would be a huge waste of cash. Now the whole point of this thread is has anyone else heard of said dumb rumor, from ignorant people anywhere else? Or is swim wrong and this has been done and confirmed? Swim feels that swim is correct in his assumption.

[Salvinorin A]

SWIM's friend's pill was a blue one. Also said it had heroin in there. SWIM's friend also mentioned that it had a more opiate like feeling to the roll.

Not sure if there really was heroin in it, no way to prove at this point...but just saying that it's been heard of out here as well.

[Nacumen]

Ecstasy pills with heroin in them have been a long-standing urban legend. Some say it started because the hippies had nothing to compare the feeling which came from MDMA to anything other than heroin.

But you're correct, adding noticeable amounts of heroin to ecstasy street tabs would not be an easy way to make money by any means.

There has been at least one report from a chemical laboratory which showed that heroin was in fact in an ecstasy pill, but it can also not be ruled out that the pill submission might've only been submitted because the submitter did himself put heroin into the pill to give credit to the legend or for some other motive.

Therefore, I must agree with you; it's very unlikely that those pills contain heroin - maybe some trace amounts to get someone with the capabilities to test the pills excited, but not any heroin in desirable levels; whoever made those is wanting to make a profit, after all; the pills have to be worth it in the long-run somehow, though the intent could really be just be to spread a myth for storytelling's sake...

[hh339]

Where SWiM lives, many E users keep talking about how "horsed" they get from certain E tabs. That "Horse feeling" is actually the feeling they get from good clean MDMA. Not that MDMA has anything to do with Heroin, but todays tabs more than often contain stimulants like (Meth)Amphetamine in addition to MDXX. So when these dudes get pure MDMA, they don't get wired like they normally do. Sure there are a few tabs out there containing H for some odd reason, but commersial ones do not. It just wouldn't make any sense + it would be very dangerous and people would die. Most people telling SWiM that their tabs have Heroin in them have never tried real Heroin. Get a testing kit.

[machine_elf]

Heroin: Some dealers claim such a thing is common. They are morons. (Although there is a lesson in this: You can't really trust the dealer to know what's in a pill. Some are reliable, others are not, but all are strongly opinionated.) There has been some suggestion (based on a missunderstanding of the metabolic pathways involved) that heroin might significantly slow the metabolic breakdown of MDMA. This is not the case. At least one pill containing heroin was sent to ecstasydata.org. Although it did indeed contain heroin, it did not contain MDMA or any similar drug, but did contain aspirin and Prozac. If you take a close look at the pill, you can see that the logo on it sticks out, and the pressing quality is very low. This appears to be somebody's idea of a joke: A couple common medications crushed up, a little heroin tossed in, and mashed together with a cheap hand press. No self-respecting manufacturer would have used such low quality pressing dies, much less crushed up aspirins as the binder.

However, Heroin HAS been found to be a component of a number of yabba pills. It would be a nonsensical cut for "ecstacy" pills as heroin is more expensive than MDMA and is therefore a rediculous cut. I think it's safe to say that the pill didn't contain heroin. More likely DXM.

[Samadhi]

Mde is said to be the culprit sometimes... it has a stoning effect that some confuse with heroin... but most the times you can't trust anyone...

get a testing kit

[spiderpig]

Isn't it possible that e pills can have some other kind of morphine derivative which is cheaper than heroin? Such as codeine maybe, or even oxy. These 2 are cheaper than heroin.

[rocksmokinmachine]

No, This has been covered time and time again. It is just inexperienced users with MDxx types substances. All produce a empathogenic/entactogenic effect. All other feelings are other substances. The people who claim heroin in in ecstasy tablets are usually inexperinced and have consumed ketamine/dxm or another disassaciative. This is simple a myth

Heroin just does not exist in ecstasy tablets. It does not make economic sense? Why bulk out something as expensive as heroin, with something as cheap as MDxx?

[Nagognog2]

Or the DEA is releasing MDMA/Heroin pills to furthur villify the drug that could stop war and hate and turn it into a Machiavellian Hell-Drug leaving it's user equating peace and truth with cringinging, needing, terror-filled addiction.

Having working with pure MDMA before the legal ban hit the fan - the only reason people believes heroin might be involved was the loss of fear one felt at looking deeply inside the mind and not cringing with fear at the demons that used to scare and harm them.

If you have pure MDMA, there is no heroin present. If you have some pill from a stranger - the only approach is a chemical ananlysis.

Think about it.

[rxbandit]

For any pill with a similiar euphoria to an opiate or a more sluggish euphoria, this could point to dextromethoraphan (DXM) since it has been found to be contained in some pills. from what swim remembers from his experience with this drug is its very sluggish, euphoric(almost like opiates), and somewhat disorienting. but im sure you could get a better grasp of that in the DXM forum. but i think this could explain some suspected tabs action.

swim recently saw some poorly pressed red pills that he suspects were poorly washed crushed corriciden tablets that were repressed for distribution.

[rocksmokinmachine]

pffftt, heroin in pills. why would anyone want to bulk out such as cheap drug as MDMA with something as expensive as heroin, it makes no economic sense. That 'Gouchy' effect is probably something to do woth ketamine, dextromethorphan or some other kind of disassociative. SWIY should by one of the EZ test kits online to make sure the substance is an MDXX type one.

[psycholic]

Swim was browsing ecstasydata and searched heroin,and found one, but in the notes section it read: "Because this pill has unusual contents, it's important to point out that the pill looks poorly pressed and may have been made specifically to send in to the ecstasydata testing project."

It may be possible, but swim thinks it is an urban legend. Swim would be pissed if he received a tab with heroin in it.

[hh339]

I have seen one case of a pill containing heroin, analysis was made. That pill looked like a turd would look after eating 5 kilos of cheese though. I wouldn't worry about heroin.

[kakakaka]

Swim read somewhere that pills that have been cut with ketamine give a smaky feel to it. Swim isnt sure on the price of ketamine but it could explain why some people end up just lying there out of it for hours rather than dancing and having fun.

Also Swim was wondering if they could be cut with some sort of deliriant to give a trippy feel to them.

Swim can recall one night where a friend of his thought he was a window fitter and proceded to take apart a window to try and install a new one. After he was stoped he then went around for 2 hours looking for nails to hammer into the roof after he laid an imaginary cable under the carpet. Then thought he was outside and pung a fag at a wall, burning the carpet. He also was talking to random people who werent in the room and thought a lid from vasealine turned into a cat in his hand and ran away.

That to swim sounds like a deliriant at work rather than the small acidy effect mdma can have. Any opinions ?

[SpuzMan]

This is funny cuz swim was around a person who makes E on a press and said that he puts codine in his pills and sells them as herion based

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spreading wrong information

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by SpuzMan

This is funny cuz swim was around a person who makes E on a press and said that he puts codine in his pills and sells them as herion based

Well then this person is a scheister, and since when was codeine heroin?

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Stole my words!

[Ikku]

Codeine will be converted to morphine in your body in much the same way that heroin is, just at a smaller ratio.

Although 'cutting' drugs is generally unethical, if you are adding another drug to it and advertising it as such, wouldn't that be acceptable?

[Mint boi]

But that doesnt change the fact that this is a thread about heroin in pills, not codeine!

[Ikku]

Someone could easily take a pill with codeine in it and think that it feels "smacky." And there are pills with codeine that have shown up on ecstasydata, but they look like prescription codeine pills that someone thought were ecstasy.

[FuBai]

Whilst it is true that the pill on Ecstasy Data that has heroin in it is most likley a fake (judging from its constituents as well as its poor stamp quality) there are two far more realistic entries that include small amounts of fentanyl which may account for an opiate feeling. Ketamine is a popular thing to cut with MDMA (48 entries) which may convince someone who had never tried an opiate that their pill contained some - similarly with diphenydramine (14 entries), diazepam (7 entries), Phenobarbital (1 entry), Zolpidem (1 entry), Codeine (3 entries), Tramadol (1 entry) and all the other various combinations that could make the uninitiated believe they had a "heroin" pill. Hell, some people still think Ecstasy is either "heroin based" or "acid based"...

[plurangel]

So, I got this from one of my angel friends the other day...

Hey.
I need help because I had bought these pills last March and they were white and had like brown spots in them...
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So anyway..
I took them, thinking nothing of it and the first time it was an amazing experience.
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I had the jaw clenching and eye rolling effects of MDMA and I also had the huge pupils, so I'm not sure if heroin also has these affects.....
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Then I took them again, and then I started sweating a lot, started nodding out, I couldn't move, I was "stuck" to the ground, I was very nauseated and getting really heroin-like effects (from what I've read), and my boyfriend was like "you're acting like you're on heroin".
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I can always hold my pills very well, but this was horrible.
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They smell REALLY weird.
.. Help.
I'm looking into testing kits but none have a test for heroin.
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These pills are being sold again now, after 9 months, and they still smell horrible and I'm sure they're bad and I probally wasted my money....
They are called "cherries".

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Thanks for reading, please help!
<3plur

[criss]

The general consenus is that heroin is not going to be cut into your pills, certainly not at a quantity that will produce any observable effect on you as the user.

The massive variation in your two experiences suggests that either set and setting played a big factor or that their is a large variance in the composition of the pills. Assuming the latter is true, then it's going to be a gamble (as it always is) if you choose to buy pills again.

The only "help" I can give is to either find a more reliable source to buy from and if that's not possible then invest in a standard test-kit and start at low doses.

Threads that play "guess what's in the pill" and compare "smacky pills" to "speedy pills" are not only fairly useless, but are fairly full of guess-work and so no-one can offer any definitive "help" other than to move forwards in a sensible way.

[Micklemouse]

Could also be because they were transported in somebody's ass. Could also explain the brown colouring...

As Criss points out, set & setting could play a major part in the variance of experience. It is of course possible that 2 pills from the same batch could contain different chemicals - it is unlikely however. Also unlikely is the pills containing heroin. What is more likely is the pills for whatever reason hit harder the second time around - a decent dose of MDMA has been known to stop some takers in their tracks, especially if they have stuff going on in their lives, are run-down, have taken more than they are used to, etc, etc. Also unlikely is that 9 months down the line the exact same batch of pills will be doing the rounds again.

Without a test-kit there is no way of knowing even vaguely what is in a pill. An idea can be gained by talking to other people who have taken the same pill & comparing reports, otherwise you pays yer money, & you takes yer chance.

By the way, heroin will give a reaction using Marquis (deep purplish red) & Mandelin (moderate reddish brown) (C.L. O’Neal et al. / Forensic Science International 109 (2000) 189 –201)

[plurangel]

Well thank you everyone. [:.

A testing kit is going to be bought for sure.
No ecstasy I've personsonally ever encountered produced a smell, so it's gotta be something.

The brown coloring is through and through (we know this from crushing it).
And it is the exact same smell, print, color, shape, size as last time, and I doubt the same exact pills were hidding somewhere and are cycling again.

Well thanks for the help. [:

[Pondlife]

I've always doubted the "heroin in E" stories, and I still think that it's mostly a myth, but this bit in the September 2007 edition of Microgram bulletin is about the closest I've seen to a documented occurance:

ECSTASY MIMIC TABLETS (CONTAINING HEROIN, COCAINE, AND CAFFEINE) IN WASHINGTON, DC

The DEA Mid-Atlantic Laboratory (Largo, Maryland) recently received 18.5 speckled tan tablets, suspected Ecstasy (see Photo 6). The exhibits were seized in Washington, D.C. by agents from the DEA Washington Division Office, pursuant to a search warrant (no further details). The tablets had no logo, but were beveled. Analysis of the tablets (total net mass 5.1 grams) by color testing (cobalt thiocyanate and Marquis), GC, and GC/MS, however, indicated not MDMA but rather a mixture of heroin (approximately 2 percent), cocaine (approximately 1 percent), and caffeine (not quantitated). This is the first known submission of these type tablets to the Mid-Atlantic Laboratory.

No link because it's on the DEA website, but a search for "DEA Microgram bulletin" will turn it up.

Here's a pic of these so-called Ecstacy tabs: