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Old 01-10-2009, 04:16
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Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

Here on the East Coast it seems normal to just mix up the dope, filter it and shoot, no cooking (cold shot). However, this could be potentially dangerous. Does SWIY cook up before shooting? Labmonkey doesn't, partially because it's how he was "trained" and partially because the dope here sucks so badly he fears wasting any. Opinions?
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

Red Rock has only cooked it H once and that was after he got kicked out of rehab on the west coast. He lives in the East Coast and never cooked up the H as it would instantly mix with the water without adding any heat. He has had no problems from doing this but this doesn't mean its always the case for everyone.
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Old 01-10-2009, 05:27
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

interesting....swim always thought (not hard about) that cooking would kill off SOME bacteria, etc., as well as help to mix. verrrrryy ineteresting.
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:48
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

In the UK it's pretty much always cooked because it's pretty much always H3 so it needs an acid (citric, vit C) and it's heated to basically speed up the reaction. There is definitely an element of bacterial killing as well when my fiend does it but not too much a few bubbles and that's it, apparently too much heat can break it down.

If it's proper good gear like relatively pure H4 with a proper soluble cut then i have heard people in Australia for example use plastic spoons and simply mix it, no heat obviosuly. I have never seen proper medical diamorphine in ampules but i saw a story about it here and as far as i could tell the amuples where in fact powder diamorphine and sterile water was supplied then it is reconstitued, so i imagine (can't say for sure) it would dissolve on contact lovely clean, sterile known concentration. Unfortuntely that it not the case for the vast majority of people and they have to contend with street heroin and possible containimation etc.

I suppose it's down to who the person learns from when they first encounter IV use, this can often lead to bad technique that is carried on until they see another person do it properly. So many users out there don't really know anything other than what they have seen and been told, you talk about H3 and H4 to the averages user and they'd say huh?
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Old 01-10-2009, 15:51
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

SWIM always cooks his dope, just bringing it to a simmer a second or two. One, to get it perfectly mixed up and dissolved. Two, to kill off whatever bacteria/fungi in it he can.
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Old 01-10-2009, 16:20
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

1.) Cook your drugs. It doesn't matter if it's heroin-base or heroin-salt, cook it. It doesn't come in pharma-quality, so cook.
2.) Heroin, wheter it's salt or base, won't "break up" or evaporate when cooked with water. 100°C won't harm the dope. First it's just 100°C and second, you just cook a minute or so.
3.) Cooking a minute will kill bacteria, but not all of them. But it surely decimates these little bastards. Fungi, on the other hand, don't die of a minute of cooking. You would have to cook it at least 10 minutes to kill all the life that's in your dope. But cooking decimates the nasty stuff, of course. So cook people, cook.

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Old 01-10-2009, 20:35
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

SWIM used powdered heroin for many years, without ever needing to cook it. He would simply mix the light brown, tan, or white powder in some water in a spoon, then throw in a cotton, and suck it up. It always mixed instantly, and never had anything that wouldn't break down, except once, when he had another addict go to score and, he thinks, the guy used some stupid cut to get more dope for himself. He never got any abscesses or illnesses from not cooking his dope. The only time he had to cook his dope was in a visit to Amsterdam, where he had to add citric acid or vinegar to turn the freebase into a salt. It could be smoked fine, but for IV, it had to be cooked.
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Old 04-10-2009, 05:59
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

Sway doesn't ever cook her dope, even though she knows that you definately should and its stupid and lazy not to. But, she lives on the east coast and gets either white or brown powder that dissolves immediately in water.. She's had cotton fever twice, but doesn't think it was because she didn't cook it, she was out and getting sick- so she used her old cottons to postpone the illness.
It's definately safer to cook than it is to do cold shots, so there's really no reason NOT to do it, unless you're just too lazy, like she is.
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:44
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

swim has always cooked her dope, but thats becuase the tan powdered dope she gets in florida does not mix with the water unless it is cooked.
she just cooks it until she sees tiny bubbles on the bottom and can see that the powder in the spoon has dissolved

one time though swim got special instructions from her dealer not to cook the dope and when she tried cooking it before the info came, it ended up cloudy in the syringe. this was strange, and only happened once. the dope was still that light brown color, but it was definately a shittier high.
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Old 08-10-2009, 21:19
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

swim doesn't know of anybody who does this, except for those folks who use so much at a time that they need to otherwise it won't dissolve

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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

swim had switched back and forth from living in nyc to texas and back again and she had found that while living in ny she didnt have any need to cook the white powder dope, while in texas it was necessary to cook the black tar swim got coming from mexico.
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Old 15-10-2009, 00:09
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

Ideally, one would lightly boil the solution and then WAIT until the solution was cool again before drawing up through the cotton. This is b/c adulterants sometimes dissolve BETTER in a warm solution as opposed to a cooler one.

Not cooking at all aka 'cold shooting' comes with its own problems, namely bacteria and fungi. SWIM has never encountered problems doing this but that's not to say he won't have problems one day.

SWIM only cooks black tar (just b/c it takes a loong time to dissolve w/ cold water). When using China White, it dissolves so easily that no heat is needed for SWIM.
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Old 15-10-2009, 04:39
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

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... i have heard people in Australia for example use plastic spoons and simply mix it, no heat obviosuly...
Yep, just wander into McDonalds and ask for a spoon. Good if SWIM doesn't have her usual kit with her.
But SWIM usually cooks it (probably 9 times out of 10), just to help get rid of any nasties.
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Old 15-10-2009, 06:32
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Why cook heroin

Ok I see pople on here talking aout cooking hweoin on here now what does that do and how to do it..I mean my buddy swim just strated injecting and he just puts contenrs of rhe bag in a cap adds a little water mixes uses cotton as a filter her draws out of the cotton and presto. now is this wron is he better off cooking it>
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Re: Why cook heroin

Well some cook H in order to "speed up the reaction" (if SWIY has H3). Some swimmers cook so that the H dissolved properly, as well as killing bacteria. I don't know much about the subject, but more info can be found here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...cooking+heroin

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Old 15-10-2009, 12:40
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Re: Why cook heroin

It depends on the type of H one has as to whether it needs to be cooked or not.
H#3 needs to be added to citric acid and heated in order to dissolve with water.
H#4 can just be cold cooked but still swim thinks best to heat to kill any germs.
tar - dont know about this but would imagine it has to be cooked.

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Old 15-10-2009, 16:16
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Re: Why cook heroin

Swim would personally cook it even if its h4 and does dissolve without cooking.
Many dealers hold their bags in mouth – in case they get searched.
Believe it or not- mouth contains lots of bacteria that would be harmful if injected intravenously so cooking reduces the chances of infection

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Old 16-10-2009, 19:06
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Re: Why cook heroin

SWIM needs to add citric to his gear and then cook it up, if it's not done it doesn't break down, just sits in the water.

Occasionaly gear turns up that disolves as soon as it sees the water, but not often.
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Old 16-10-2009, 19:12
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Re: Why cook heroin

It all depends on the type of heroin one is dealing with. Tar really isn't for injecting unless SWIY fancies losing veins about 10 times as fast as a usual IV user. SWIM wouldn't know about shooting tar, he smoked it when he was out West. China White and east coast brown powder should be cooked, ideally, to be rid of any bacteria that have made their way into the mix, and also to help mix the dope together in the cooker/spoon. In practice, SWIM, who always uses typical east coast brown as its all he can get, does not cook, al it takes longer and can waste a bit of dope. He hasn't yet got an infection but reasons its only a matter of time before he does, tbh, He would definitely suggest cooking, just to a slight boil and stop. This is enough to kill most but not all bacteria, and mix the dope together well, without wasting much. Use caution as heat and opiates are natural enemies.
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Old 17-10-2009, 10:07
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Re: Why cook heroin

All the H in the uk is all base form so swim always has to cook it up with vit c, in 5-6 years around it he`s never seen any other sorta H available nor has his friend whos been doing it over a decade!
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Re: Why cook heroin

Yeah it really depends on what kind of dope swiy gets, swim gets H4 but still cooks it just a little though to kill anything that could be dirty also who knows where they bag that stuff up at or where they stash it.
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Re: Why cook heroin

Sway lives on the east coast, and gets powder dope that dissolves nicely in water without heat. So she doesn't cook, even though she knows that she should to kill any bacteria. She's just lazy. Its definately safer to cook it, but not ABSOLUTELY neccessary unless you have dope that needs acid to break it down. Sway has NEVER had to do this in the US, though.

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It depends on the type of H one has as to whether it needs to be cooked or not.
H#3 needs to be added to citric acid and heated in order to dissolve with water.
H#4 can just be cold cooked but still swim thinks best to heat to kill any germs.
tar - dont know about this but would imagine it has to be cooked.
Sways only had tar a few times, she could only get it while she was out west... But she didn't cook that either. Some people cook it because it takes longer to dissolve in water, but it will.. It doesn't NEED to be cooked, although, again, its safer to cook all your shots to kill bacteria.

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Re: Why cook heroin

Swim agrees with cooking the stuff beforehand, if for no other reason than to dissolve properly and make sure anything else bad gets out of the dope.
Bacteria isn't the only thing that dies out with heat, many virus' and fungii may find there way into the mix just aching to leech onto swiy's vital internal cells and organs.
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

Swim always cooks, the stuff he shoots doesn't dissolve whenever it is covered with water (atleast not quickly)
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Re: Cold shot or cooked with SWIYs dope?

SWIM is a long time user both in NY City and all over florida. SWIM prefers cold shots, it's quicker and after waiting or being sick from being broke time is of the essence. SWIM has read in many places when he first started using all those years back, he will try to refind and post, that cooking for a minute or two really isn't enough time or heat to really do anything in terms of killing bacteria. So SWIM always just goes cold unless their is alot, and SWIM means alot of cut, or it is really rocky not the usual fine powder SWIM gets and SWIM is to lazy to crush up himself. Never had H3 or tar but sounds like there is no choice but to cook that. Also SWIM used to cook old cottons when SWIM was sick to dissolve any last bit out of them but when SWIM shot he would get a nasty taste in his mouth. So now SWIM uses boiling water to put on his cottons rather than cook the cottons themselves.

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