Where is Ketamine legal/available?

[Beltane]

I know it's pretty available in Mexico. I've heard K is actually
legal in some countries and that it's pretty available in some others,
like Russia where I hear it's quasi-legal. Anyone know where
else? I'm especially interested in whether it might be available
in Amsterdam.



Thanks-



- B

[dletterman]

Erowid's legal status page might help you, but its fairly incomplete


http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/keta...mine_law.shtml

[Sick Jack]

In Amsterdam ? You dream

In the streets probably, but any person who knows Amsterdam will advice you to avoid streetdealers as hell.

[Beltane]

What about vets in Amsterdam? Any chance of them selling it w/o seeing a sick cat?







- B

[Sick Jack]

Otherwise it's known that in some Mexican pharmacies you can get the stuff over the counter, but you ahve to travel overthere.

Be carefull !!

[MrSoprano]

you have to go and travel and get a contact. then get it shipped every month.

[Beltane]

Originally Posted by MrSoprano

you have to go and travel and get a contact. then get it shipped every month.

Had no trouble finding K in Mexio, tho from "Vets," not pharmcies. Never thought of looking for a contact to ship it.



How do they ship it to you? In what form? What's the risk level in your opinion?



Thanks-



- B

[sonerer]

In Aus it’s legal for Vet’s to have, don’t know about US. So
either u find a hookup from a VET or you rob a VET... Maybe even an equestrian
VET, since it’s for horses....

[Beltane]

It's not just for horses, it's a veterinary tranq. It's often used on cats for example.



Also, it's used the 3rd world over on humans b/c it's so safe and effective.



BTW, it's approved for human use even in the U.S. tho mostly on children and old people.



- B

[sonerer]

Yeh ive heard theres even a stronger form which is for Rinos, but its probably jsut a dealer hypeing up his wares.

[polloloco001]

haha

ketamine: extra strength rhino edition</span>

"whether youre a serious rhinoceros collector, or you just want to make a rare beast trip balls, this is the stuff for you!"

[Beltane]

Actually, when I was in mexico there WAS a brand that was slightly
stronger called Dopalen. It also had the coolest looking bottle
IMO.



This is not a joke. Dopalen, according to the lable, was about
11% stronger than the other stuff-- not that I really noticed the
difference. My friend and I remarked that this much be
specifically to gain market share w/ recreational users since ALL other
K is standardized dosage and who cares if it's 11% stronger when you're
operating no a cat. The only people who would care, would be
recreational users.



- B

[Ketamina]

Originally Posted by sonerer

&lt;p ="Msonormal"&gt;In Aus it’s legal for Vet’s to have, don’t know about US. So
either u find a hookup from a VET or you rob a VET... Maybe even an equestrian
VET, since it’s for horses....

In the US, K is a schedule 3 drug. This means it has a very high rating for a controlled substance.

I would say 95% of US vets keep this in stock at all times. K is NOT just for horses, in fact not long ago it was used on humans, and even less time has passed since they stopped using it for children.

Vets typically make something called 'K-Val' injections for surgeries. It's a mixture of ketamine and valium, and is safely used on dogs, cats, and farm animals for most procedures. There are other drugs and drug combinations they use, but ketamine is still very common. If you have a dog or a cat that has been spayed or neutered, I'm 99.9% sure they used ketamine as the tranquilizer.

[Beltane]

Originally Posted by Ketamina

In the US, K is a schedule 3 drug. This means it has a very high rating for a controlled substance.

Sched. I and II are "very high ratings" for a controlled
substance. Sched III is the lowest schedule rating for anything
fun.

Originally Posted by Ketamina

I would say 95% of US vets keep this in stock at all
times. K is NOT just for horses, in fact not long ago it was used on
humans, and even less time has passed since they stopped using it for
children.

K is used on old people and children to this day, I believe even in the U.S.



It's used all over 3rd world countries and the anasthetic of choice as
it's really easy to use. The amount it takes to be dangerous is
SO much higher than the amount needed to knock a patient out- this is
why it's so safe and used on humans in places where the doctors are
thought to not have the same level of training as "first world" doctors.

[devil]

Didn't they just changed K's scheduling rating in the US?

[Beltane]

News to me.



Erowid has it as schedule III. I see Canada has it as schedule I. I thought they were brighter than that.



- B

[sonerer]

Yeh just been rescheduled in Aus...

[devil]

Ahhh, AUS not US

[zenmaster143]

I have friend that moved to Cancun about a year ago. You can't just buy ketamine over the counter at a pharmacy, I don't even think they carry it at pharmacias. He had to find a vet that was willing to sell it to him on the side. You're not supposed to be able to send liquids through the mail from Mexico to the US, so he had to reduce it to powder(ceramic plate on top of a pot of boiling water is the best way to evaporate out the solvent since water boils at 100 degrees Celcius which is low enough not to burn the K). He sent the powder in regular mail and it never arrived though I was able to send him a small amount of tina from the US but it took weeks to arrive. I have read that it is much better, safer, and more reliable to send things registered mail instead.

[Beltane]

Originally Posted by canceriantiger

I have friend that moved to Cancun
about a year ago. You can't just buy ketamine over the counter at
a pharmacy, I don't even think they carry it at pharmacias. He
had to find a vet that was willing to sell it to him on the side.
You're not supposed to be able to send liquids through the mail from
Mexico to the US, so he had to reduce it to powder(ceramic plate on top
of a pot of boiling water is the best way to evaporate out the solvent
since water boils at 100 degrees Celcius which is low enough not to
burn the K). He sent the powder in regular mail and it never
arrived though I was able to send him a small amount of tina from the
US but it took weeks to arrive. I have read that it is much
better, safer, and more reliable to send things registered mail
instead.

Best place anywhere in Mexico is always a pharmacy and not a drugstore/pharmacy.



Should be easy to make into powder as, if you have the time, a day in
the hot sun should do it. SWIM did it by setting some liquid K in
a CD case that sat on top of a door abot 6 inches below a regular light
bulb. Slow, but less than one day.



As for shipping home liquides, SWIM was thinking it would be fun to
send home a tequila samplaer sometime w/ some special editions



- B

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[robbiedont]

Ket has since the start of this year made it onto the list of illigal rec drugs...

[Sklander]

There are five schedules for drugs in the USA. Ketamine is a schedule III drug which means it has some accepted medical use but some potential for abuse.

[sometimesx345]

As said, Ketamine is schedule III drug in the US. SWIM has relations to a vet, and it is commonly used on pretty much every animal, from dogs and cats to horses and reptiles. It's not usually used on humans, although SWIM's doctor does use it on some people. It is usually not used on humans because of it's long term effects (olney's lesions), and because people will often be scared by the effects they get after they wake up from surgery, which, because of the stress, are usually extremely frightening visuals and feelings in general and they often need to be restrained.

Converting K from liquid to powder is very simple. SWIM did it by GENTLY boiling off the solution on a stovetop in a pot and then scraping the solution off the bottom.

[enquirewithin]

'Olney's lesions' is a myth according to Karl Jansen-- anyway, who has operations habitually? Note that William White later retracted his assertions about dissociatives. The real reason that K is not often use on as you have said-- 'emergence reactions,' or people freaking out. It is, however, still used on children because it is a very safe anesthetic. Apparently children and animals don't get high on K?

[JewishNazi]

No, the belief is that a child is too young and wont remember when they grow up