Injecting - SWIM just banged 500mg of Hydrocodone

[deltakilo]

SWIM has seen this discussed before and the general consensus was, "it's not worth the time/hassle because it's no different than taking it orally."

SWIM has has pretty healthy tolerance to hydrocodone and can/has taken in excess of 1000mg at once without issue, that being said SWIM felt confident that ODing wouldn't be an issue.

So, yeah, to the point. SWIM just did a CWE on 50 Watson 853's (Norco) which contained 500mg of hydrocodone. After a long 6 hours of blowing a fan across a pyrex dish, SWIM had finally managed to reduce the 500ml's of liquid to ~ 3cc's. After several more filters SWIM filled two 1cc rigs and banged away. There was very little rush, (at least compared to what he'd grown accustomed to after a long history of banging hydromorphone, oxy and more recently H) but SWIM was listening to one of his fav tracks by Atmosphere and began to perceive the music in a way familiar to other times he'd taken hydrocodone and yeah... all of a sudden SWIM realized he was (and still is) high.

To summarize, if SWIY is feeling adventurous and willing to put in the work, there's a bit of a pay off in the end. It's very unlikely that SWIM will do it again for two reasons; once you've done it you know what you were/weren't missing and two, this was done in an effort to hold him over until getting some H tomorrow...

In short, there was a minor rush, it was highly labor intensive and not a whole lot different than past experiences of oral administration. Though if one were to take the appropriate steps before taking it orally; CWE with tagamet + alka seltzer on an empty stomach it'd be about equal to the high SWIM got from the aforementioned preparation/method of administration.

deltakilo added 5 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

SWIM just realized that his post isn't directly related to H, though if it helps, SWIM did bang them to fight off the WD's until tomorrow when he's going to score some H. SWIM will let the moderators decide

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Very good write up. i enjoyed the insight and the process that you used to get to a point that you could bang it.

[Nace]

Originally Posted by deltakilo

SWIM has seen this discussed before and the general consensus was, "it's not worth the time/hassle because it's no different than taking it orally."

SWIM has has pretty healthy tolerance to hydrocodone and can/has taken in excess of 1000mg at once without issue, that being said SWIM felt confident that ODing wouldn't be an issue.

So, yeah, to the point. SWIM just did a CWE on 50 Watson 853's (Norco) which contained 500mg of hydrocodone. After a long 6 hours of blowing a fan across a pyrex dish, SWIM had finally managed to reduce the 500ml's of liquid to ~ 3cc's. After several more filters SWIM filled two 1cc rigs and banged away. There was very little rush, (at least compared to what he'd grown accustomed to after a long history of banging hydromorphone, oxy and more recently H) but SWIM was listening to one of his fav tracks by Atmosphere and began to perceive the music in a way familiar to other times he'd taken hydrocodone and yeah... all of a sudden SWIM realized he was (and still is) high.

To summarize, if SWIY is feeling adventurous and willing to put in the work, there's a bit of a pay off in the end. It's very unlikely that SWIM will do it again for two reasons; once you've done it you know what you were/weren't missing and two, this was done in an effort to hold him over until getting some H tomorrow...

In short, there was a minor rush, it was highly labor intensive and not a whole lot different than past experiences of oral administration. Though if one were to take the appropriate steps before taking it orally; CWE with tagamet + alka seltzer on an empty stomach it'd be about equal to the high SWIM got from the aforementioned preparation/method of administration.

deltakilo added 5 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

SWIM just realized that his post isn't directly related to H, though if it helps, SWIM did bang them to fight off the WD's until tomorrow when he's going to score some H. SWIM will let the moderators decide

My first post. Hello I think there could be a little confusion in SWIMS dosage. I belive that SWIM is getting their hydrocodone and acetaminophen mixed up. 500mg from my knowlage is a deadly dose of hydrocodone.

Also, the Watson 853 do not contain 500mg, they are 325/10 mg of which 325 is acetaminophen and 10 is hydrocodone. Hope this helps SWIM in determining doses.I wouldn't want to see someone else get hurt.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by deltakilo

So, yeah, to the point. SWIM just did a CWE on 50 Watson 853's (Norco) which contained 500mg of hydrocodone.

Originally Posted by Nace

My first post. Hello I think there could be a little confusion in SWIMS dosage. I belive that SWIM is getting their hydrocodone and acetaminophen mixed up. 500mg from my knowlage is a deadly dose of hydrocodone.

Also, the Watson 853 do not contain 500mg, they are 325/10 mg of which 325 is acetaminophen and 10 is hydrocodone. Hope this helps SWIM in determining doses.I wouldn't want to see someone else get hurt.

The OP stated that he did a CWE on fifty 10mg hydrocodone pills thus eliminating the acetaminophen. Good catch though in terms of tolerance issues. This would indeed be a deadly dose for a non tolerant person.

[sonic.iggy]

Originally Posted by Nace

My first post. Hello I think there could be a little confusion in SWIMS dosage. I belive that SWIM is getting their hydrocodone and acetaminophen mixed up. 500mg from my knowlage is a deadly dose of hydrocodone.

Also, the Watson 853 do not contain 500mg, they are 325/10 mg of which 325 is acetaminophen and 10 is hydrocodone. Hope this helps SWIM in determining doses.I wouldn't want to see someone else get hurt.

swiy stated that he did the CWE on 50 watson 853's. 10x50=500
does seem like a high dosage to me though, swim safely.

[cra$h]

Damn, gotta say, that's a shitload of hydro! I'd go as far as to say impressive. But this is a great thread to refer to for other people interested in injecting hydro, and how to do it a little more safely.

[returntozero]

this is an unrealistically high dose and i thought it was dangerous to iv hydrocodone

[Nace]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

The OP stated that he did a CWE on fifty 10mg hydrocodone pills thus eliminating the acetaminophen. Good catch though in terms of tolerance issues. This would indeed be a deadly dose for a non tolerant person.

Ah, I see what I missed now. Did not see the "fifty". Thanks for pointing it out. I was though, thinking that a single 10mg hydrocodone is quite a small amount to be doing a CWE on.

[Master_Khan]

What a waste, a two month supply of hydrocodone flushed down the toilet on a minor rush just to keep withdrawals at bay. Sounds like an except from the new book, " Whistling past the graveyard at 500 mg an hour".

[deltakilo]

Originally Posted by Master_Khan

What a waste, a two month supply of hydrocodone flushed down the toilet on a minor rush just to keep withdrawals at bay. Sounds like an except from the new book, " Whistling past the graveyard at 500 mg an hour".

SWIM agrees that it's a waste, but then again when SWIY's an addict, what isn't a waste? If SWIM had only taken 10 @ once would that be a good use of hydro? No, addiction is F'd up and will see to the downfall of all that is important to SWIY. If SWIY isn't clear on that it's time to take an honest look in the mirror.

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right on

[$limJim]

I would think swiy would be super fucked off 500mg of hydro... that's 50 fucking norcos, man. I can only assume that a good amount of the hydro was lost in the procedure.

Also, it isn't safe to inject anything containing APAP, whether a CWE is used or not, as there will always be a small amount of APAP remaining. I am just pointing that out, not preaching against it, because most types of drug use are not safe, and there are a hell of a lot more dangerous things to do than this.

Very interesting though. I have never heard of anyone doing something like this. Swim tried (and failed) a CWE on about 10 percocets one time. He was planning on snorting the oxy crystals that would come as the end result, but... they never came.

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Good to warn about the CWE process not being perfect. Good harm reduction post.

[fixit]

Originally Posted by Nace

My first post. Hello I think there could be a little confusion in SWIMS dosage. I belive that SWIM is getting their hydrocodone and acetaminophen mixed up. 500mg from my knowlage is a deadly dose of hydrocodone.

Also, the Watson 853 do not contain 500mg, they are 325/10 mg of which 325 is acetaminophen and 10 is hydrocodone. Hope this helps SWIM in determining doses.I wouldn't want to see someone else get hurt.

10/325 hydros are 10mg hydrocodone, 325mg acetominophen, not the reverse. My tolerance easily tolerates 10 x 10mg hydrocodone without much effect. True that is high. However, almost anyone would survive it, though possibly get knocked down pretty hard. I've no doubt with my tolerance 15 or more 10mg hydros would be tolerable for ME.
As one who uses 20 or 30 10/325 a day, CWE is of course mandatory for one with previous liver damage. Hydro after CWE CAN be fixed; might burn and get a headache, not the best for sure BUT I WISH people who aren't into fixing wouldn't constantly rag on those who get off on it. I like the rush more than the high! I don't plug stuff, don't care for it, don't understand it, but I don't hassle anyone for doing it. Aren't we here to help each other be safe, efficient, learn techniques and share what we enjoy?
So I refrain, and I hope we all will, from commenting negatively on other's kicks. "If you don't have anything good to say, say nothing".
I did some codeine mainline yesterday, burned, and almost got a headache but then a good rush and high. Maybe it's risky; I use sterile technique, and willing to take risks. We all take risks. It's good to know them. But folks who don't understand what we get out of fixing, please don't hassle us for our choice. I came on this thread to find other's experiences with shooting hydro; done it myself, and want to share and learn, not hear people criticizing it (risks, share; criticizing it as "wasteful" or "lame" not appropriate). Peace, out
fixit Ps I shoot 50 to 100mg of hydro after cwe.

fixit added 10 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

I just wanted to add to someone who said, "I thought shooting hydros was dangerous", that buying street drugs is dangerous, going to jail is dangerous, shooting smack is dangerous, it's ALL dangerous.
I don't know about SWIY's dose, but NO, one loses hardly any hydro in cwe. And CWE of english 12mg codeine plus lots of paracetomol, or mexican tylox, codeine and tylenol, makes a FINE injection, a little apap left over doesnt make shooting a cwe more dangerous in my experience.
As a youngster, I used to fix whole talwins, no extraction at all, no problem except for clogged needles. And the pink balls from inside darvocets after peeling off the pink skin (burned like crap but worked). My point is, "dangerous" is relative, sharing info is good, and many things are possible, and the level of "danger" is up to us to accept. Too many myths floating around, I think. Used to be the govt that created them, about weed, not the community which now seems to be creating its own!
peace, fixit

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	Interesting points, but please do not incriminate yourself
	don't self-incriminate it's important for your own safety and that of everyone in the board

[ergoamide]

It's mainly the fact that drug users IVing drugs arent going to be as careful with preparing the solution as a pharmacuetical company is. I would imagine they probably use the sodium phenolate salt to make it water soluble. The problem comes from undissolved APAP particles that can bunch together and cause blockages, this isn't only for APAP though it's for anything that doesn't dissolve properly and then isn't filtered so that it leaves particles inside. If one has an NSP nearby then this is easily remedied by getting 3/5ml syringes and filtering the solution through wheel filters. Wheel filters are invaluable and if you use the .2um size one it even filters out bacteria, but NOT viruses ok because viruses are way smaller than bacteria like 1/1000 the size so these filters canot be used in a situation where a virus may have infected the water to try to get rid of it. When injecting any pills it's always good to use these wheel filters just to make sure and for people that are on methadone and IV thier doses the .2um filter will even take the colour out of the cordial.

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Excellent risk management material