First time?

[psyki]

Hello-



SWIM has done his fair share of psychedelics and has played with 2-ct-7
and 5-meo-DMT a few times. Now he has assembled a group of
psychonauts who are interested in some more exotic RC's. What do
you recommend for a newbie to the RC world?



SWIM thinks that 2C-E, 5-meo-DMT, and 4-HO-MIPT would be a good start,
but what do you guys think? What would be a good starting dose
for these chemicals, for people who are not strangers to
psychedelics? SWIM's friends are all of sound mind and body.



For the record SWIM is NOT looking for sources.

[Sick Jack]

Hi,

If you're psychonauts are experienced with 2ct7 and 5-meo-dmt too, I'll guess that 2ce or 4-ho-mipt will not be a big surprise, even if each compound is completely different.

Take care !

[Nagognog2]

The ones that you have listed are plenty powerful. 5-Meo-DMT being rather a practical joke however. 2-CE and Miprocin (4-OH-n,n-MiPT) are full-scale materials. Hide the car keys and enjoy the show. Magic Theatre - For Madmen Only.

[psyki]

Thanks for the quick replies. SWIM knows DMT is kind of a parlor trick but still powerful and fun nonetheless.



What do you think good starting doses would be for MiPT and 2C-E?
Woudl you recommend DiPT over MiPT, or 2C-I over 2C-E? Keep in
mind SWIM isn't really looking for "fun" party drugs, but more a more
introspective and cool learning experience. He wants to laugh and
giggle but still "get shit done" if you know what he means.


Edited by: psyki

[Sick Jack]

@nagognog2

Do you think there are really some compounds that are fun, in opposite to others that are more "introspectiv" ?

I think that it depends on what we will do while tripping and what are your expectations.

[nanobrain]

^^um, i think nag said 5-MEO-DMT was a practical joke. take that with a big, ahem, grain of something.

n,n-DMT is in no way a joke of any sort. ok, well, perhaps, but then a very grand one.

sounds like your "psychonauts" need to do much more research - alot of ground has been covered in this forum, that should make things easier.

[psyki]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

^^um, i think nag said 5-MEO-DMT was a practical joke. take that with a big, ahem, grain of something.



n,n-DMT is in no way a joke of any sort. ok, well, perhaps, but then a very grand one.



sounds like your "psychonauts" need to do much more research - alot
of ground has been covered in this forum, that should make things
easier.

SWIM has been doing tons of research and came up with the list
above. As you know there are widely varying accounts of
positive/negative experiences with any RC and SWIM has read through
them on this forum extensively. I know I know USTFS but SWIM was
just looking for a little validation for his particular selection given
the intent of his cadre.

[Nagognog2]

Did I infer that I find practical jokes to be of a negative value? No. I simply believe that 17 minutes on Mars is a hilarious venture. Such is the nature of, as my friends and I call it, MeowDammit. Something that lasts longer, say 2+ hours, we take as being a more serious substance. Maybe we're jaded from our years of abusing these horrible and nasty chemicals. Or we are trying to be!


Have Fun! <grin>

[psyki]

Hahaha that's a good way of describing it. It was 17 minutes of
pure bliss for SWIM, a very "fun" chemical. He is definitely
going to get some more of that.

[dmax]

Gah. Practical jokes are no fun when they last 8 hours. DMT
and MAOIs (or, I guess, 5meo-dmt and MAOIs) are not the same thing as
smokable forms. At any rate, if you guys are looking for a real
mind bendy trip, the ones you suggested are reasonable. I would
also say 2c-i, if it's a large group, and you don't want to all be
squashed on the couch. It's more... upbeat? Whatever.
Any of those might work. Or you could get some of the dreaded
"LSD"...

[Ephemerides]

2c-e > 2c-i. Both are very introspective chemicals, but there's
something about 2c-e that gives SWIM a positive spin on his
thoughts(usually). 2c-i seems more neutra.