Purity - cutting / rocking / re-rocking /pressing cocaine dumpster ( closed)

[thegod1]

Originally Posted by frosty

What? Meth is a whole helluva lot cheaper....don't know where you're getting it from

It's not cheaper than bakin soda though...

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by stalefishpeter

Can someone explain to me exactly what it means to cut cocaine? Do you just powder it up then throw some other chemical in it? What's it usually cut with? PCP?

No... usually xxxxxl (xxxxxxxx), soluble ssssss, and other chemicals that look white/powdery and dissolve easily. Sometimes mild stimulants like this, that, etc. Occasionally stuff and other insoluble ingredients.

Fairly rare in my experience that strong psychoactives like PCP or meth are used. The high from speed feels so obviously different from coke that I suspect it would be noticed by most people.Edited by: Nicaine

[jimmyjohn]

Yes, your right, they do cut it with meth or other psychoactive
drugs. Sure meth is more expensive than baking powder, a
combination of the two cuts it to a point of being believable.
It's tweaky, tweakier than coke. I think though, many people get
that cut and get used to that as what they expect as charlie
yaya.



I just got a sack that puzzles me. It tastes and smells like coke
and does something, but slightly different than regular. It is
smooth. I've had pure and that's smooth so I guess it could be
uncut.



It doesn't give a convincing gummer. No sizzle. It does
something to the brain. Perhaps you can give me the objective
view or reveal your experiences.



Does pure give an intense lipper? What are other drugs they would
cut it with that would give a pretty good buzz? It's not
amphetamine (meth, effidrine) unless maybe ketamine. It's real
chill, but is upidy and intense to some extent.



Several drugs are cut with charlie not to fake it as pure coke, but as
a candy flipper. It's is often a combination of something
entirely opposite cook like heroin or psychadelics.



Please give me ideas. I'm sure some or most of us users have
encountered what I would call a speedy chill buzz. Many aspects
are that of coke, but what is the chill?



peace,



jj

[polloloco001]

If its "real chill" it could be cut with downers or opiates, im not
sure which ones can be innsufflated for a good effect. downers with
coke is dangerous tho, so a dealer with a brain wouldnt do that because
he doesnt want his customers going to the hospital. i dont know how
opiates react with uppers. ive heard its dangerous but it could be anti
drug bs. opiates slow your heart rate but im not sure to what extent.
it wouldnt be heroin because thats more expensive than coke so it
wouldnt be a good business move, could be crushed up oxys or mdma. not
sure.

[pokergod0588]

SWIM used to do coke alot and just got back into it, he used to get powder everytime but now he's got a new guy and is getting rocks, its not crack, just rocked up coke, you just crush and snort, works just as good as the powder did b4 so i kno it aint crack, question is, because he aint too familiar with the dealers these days, is there a way to tell if its just rocked coke or crack? cuz i dont wanna be snortin crack cuz he kno tht dont work it just hurts real bad

also, SWIM never did or even seen crack in real life so this may sound stupid, thanks

[IHrtHalucingens]

I often get coke in rock form too, i prefer it, its usually cut less and is of higher quality. I dont know much about crack either but if it works by snorting it i would imagine its coke, coke is usually more fo a pure white where crack is often a yellowish color unless perfectly cooked, i dont know for sure but i think once cocaine is in its freebase form it is far less active if not inactive when snorting. But you say that it owrks jsut as good as the powder u got b4 so im pretty sure its coke!

[pokergod0588]

yea its not soluable in water once it is in crack form so it dont dissolve in ur nose, cuz drips down and gets wasted, he knows tht the stuff tht he's been getting is straight rocked powder, the problem is just tht SWIM doesnt know if his dealer sells crack too and doesnt want to get it messed up one time and get a crack rock instead of just rocked coke

[IHrtHalucingens]

ohh ok well then id go by the color anf texture clues.

[pokergod0588]

how are these rocks made? are they just pressed coke?

[IHrtHalucingens]

yeah its the way it comes in bulk, much like a brick of weed, all compressed together for size to weight efficiency in transportation.

[coconutman]

Wrong. Let me put up some shit i read about this at another place. Bare with me.



Two guys talking about it. One is talking about coke being a rock for and another saying it should be powder. "a" guy is the one that supports the rock theory and "b" guy supports the podwer theory. You will figure it out once you read it.


A

'a q shouldn't cost more than 240 and at that weight it should be pretty good rock and fairly untouched.an oz should be in the 750-800 region."

b
"for the millionth time, here, there and everywhere... cocaine is a salt and should not be in rock form, even if you buy a kilo straight from source it will not be in rock form... it will be in lovely powder form with probably some big shards cos of packing. you buying rock coke, you buying shit many many, me say many many times, repressed coke..."

A
"A 'rock' isn't a crystal which is what I think you are getting confused with. You can compress fucking chilli powder into a rock if you want, is that a salt?! Yeh chances are it has been repressed anyway but packages from the supplier are compressed to save space. Even when the coke is dried in the labs with a microwave it compresses and hardens into a lump. And since when can a salt not be a rock? Go and buy some rock salt from tesco and see what it looks like."

B

"lol drivensnow... comparing compressed chili powder or 200 million year old salt crystal (it's called salt because of the family it is part of) to cocaine HCL. rock salt is a crystal because it has been compressed over millions of years btw. lol.

What would I know anyway, I've only ever bought from a cpl of black guys down Coldharbour lane and that's what they said...

cocaine in it's purest form is powder when the alkaloid has been distracted, I mentioned shards which are likkle clumps which you do get... but pure proper cocaine should be powder... not rock, not crystal... I'm not confused my friend.

So the coldharbour massive say.

insanIT is talking about pretty good 'rock' which hasn't been touched. yeah right!!

lol rock salt. made my day that. I know how I like my coke and I know where it comes from. Andd guess what, it's powder. any piece of rock or block coke I get I pass on it cos it's not cocaine. well, maybe has a little bit in it."

A

"I don't know what coke you get or what the hell classes as a 'rock' to you. If you are talking some crap lump that needs a hammer to be broke open then yeh that's not coke.

Coke attracts moisture so if you leave it in a powder it will clump up. Coke straight from the maker is compressed to an even bigger clump. When you take some of that lump and sell it... that coke would be 'on the rock'... Powdery coke that doesn't need any breaking up is cut with crap that stops it clumping with moisture... If you have a hard lump that doesn't fall apart easily, that is cut with crap aswell. If you get a nice lump that falls apart easily that's on the rock coke...."

B

"
I think terminology is key here...

I disagree with your use of words when putting forward your analysis that coke straight from the maker is a bigger clump than coke which has clumped when left out to attract moisture. two different ball games.

when packaged it might be pressed for packaging purposes.. but falls apart effortlessly when dined upon.

I've had coke straight from source and guess what... it was a lovely powder with minor clumpage..

my original post on this thread was geared towards those who, in the UK, think that when they get rock, or lumped, or crystal coke that it is boom gear. You know as well as I do that there is no such thing as pure coke in the UK... unless you know someone pretty fucking high up in the chain.

ALL... I repeat ALL cocaine which is on the streets of the UK is repressed coke... unless, as mentioned above... you know someone who is an importor and bulk distributor of the stuff or... if it is brought back from source by someone... or if it is posted back... all of which are feasible and all of which are common enough.

rock cocaine imo, isn't what people think it is. block cocaine imo isn't what people think it is... no matter how much that displeases people.

I've had coke at least a dozen times now and believe what I believe and know. I can only go on my own experience, like. I've had people, friends etc.. say to me they got a nice bit of ching, right off the block etc.. and each and every time I had this so called dynamite gear... it doesn't even touch the powder I've had."




I try to reaserch as much as a can about coke. I want to know what i sniff and like to know what i'm talking about. SWIM got a free bag from a kid at work which is in rock form. Also when swim was in Chicago he has coke in rock forum. Both were hard to crush i mean you need to really put some force into the first hit so it breakes appart.

Like people say.. you really need to find good connects to get good shit. Some dealer from the block is always going to sell you garbage. SWIM gets his shit from old spanish guy who has been doing that shit for a lot of years and his shit is solid.

[IHrtHalucingens]

i aree most of the coke u buy is def cut. but in my experience the powdered coke is cut with more stuff. im in no way an expert on these issues i just speek from my experience. around here good coke is called fish scale because the dealer has a big rock and in order to wiegh it out he must scrape bits off of it and it looks liek fish scales, this has proved to be the most potent that ive gotten, and the powder has been the least potent, but it is dependent on the dealer so its diff everywhere.

[morrison]

Swim has found from experience that the best coke has been in solid form. As far as swim understands all coke has been cut to some degree, other wise it would be way to potent. The problem that comes about is when A buys from B and he cuts it and sells it to C and it gets cut again. Obviously as this process goes on, the product becomes more powdery and has less potency. The second problem that can come about is that the cut coke can be re-rocked as I understand. I don't know anything about the process though, it is just what I've heard through the grapevine. The third problem that swim has encountered is having some one sell swim hard(crack) instead of soft(coke in powder form). That has only happened when swim had to go through someone else on two occasions. Swim has even done crack on a couple of occasions but just doesn't like it nearly as much.

[pokergod0588]

definitely better when in rock form, i've done coke for years in powder form and just started to get rock, and the rock is definitely better (or atleast cut with better shit), and it makes sense for it to be just pressed coke, cuz if ur gonna move a kilo of coke, its better to have it pressed so it can fit in a small bag rather than powder which will take up more volume...and if ur buying it in the form that its shipped in, its obviously not going through too many hands (hence it wont be cut as much)

and for those who never had rock, its not hard as a rock, sometimes you can even just squeeze the rock between ur fingers and it'll break up

[7daysayear]

you even get what they trying to tell you in that arguement? there's is no definate answer to that question. all the reasons they said +plus ones they didn't are true... you can't tell which is better BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE WORKS THE SAME WAY. especially when it hits the streets it gets real dirty. doesn't matter what form you get it in. all that matters is how much times it was cut. swim and majority of the people would say rock is safer if you had to pick from a random dealer. cause most coke stays in rock form almost all their lifespan before it goes up your nose. most turn into powder after it hits the streets for any reason you can think of: areas where that form is common, precise weighing/adjusting, make it harder for you to tell the quality ANd maybe even quantity for the real amatuers, or can hide it in a box that say deteregent or something. lol there's so many reasons why you would get it in powder so you can definately find powder that's better than rock and vice versa. so how are you going to swear if rock or powder is better when form has nothing to do with grade but the amount of times CUT BEFORE IT WAS FINALED IN THAT FORM AND IN YOUR POCKETS .... hope this you kids learned something today.

[someonewhoisntme]

I've always been under the assumption that the rockier the coke the better quality it is?

[badger2565]

Swim says that the best coke is very shiney and soft. It is formed like a rock, but flakes apert with ease.Looks like the shine of an oyster shell on the inside....
kinda pearl like. Hope this helps !

[dodster]

ur dealer buys it in a solid rock form with some powder, when he gets less powder he is happy. then he can cut it up. but when its a rock its harder to cut up, when its powder , crushed paracetamol is easily hidden, so always look for the solid form. its just cut up less. that said , u can still get powder thats not cut up. any more q's pm me

[mmilam]

Well Swim bought a oz about a month ago and it was awesome. nice chunk rock. but Swim recently bought a oz from the same connect. nice big chunk, but no crystals or anything. just a big rock. and its weird because swim doesnt really feel the coke. When swim licks the rock its makes his tongue very numb, but when swim does a line, its like something is missing in it. also it smells alot stronger than the first oz.

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[Bajeda]

Swim uses "cutting" in relation to cocaine in two ways.


One is if people "cut" the coke beforehand, i.e. they mixed other drugs in with it to make it less pure.

The other is a verb, as in "swim was cutting coke last night", which swim uses to mean doing lines, in reference to actually taking a knife and cutting the coke and making it into lines.

[XO]

cutting with PCP maybe not so far fetched?


"Nathan Kline Institute for Psychiatric Research, New York University School of Medicine, Orangeburg, NY 10962, USA.

Functional dopaminergic hyperactivity is a key feature of schizophrenia. Etiology of this dopaminergic hyperactivity, however, is unknown. We have recently demonstrated that subchronic phencyclidine (PCP) treatment in rodents induces striatal dopaminergic hyperactivity similar to that observed in schizophrenia. The present study investigates the ability of PCP to potentiate amphetamine-induced dopamine release in prefrontal cortex (PFC) and nucleus accumbens (NAc) shell. Prefrontal dopaminergic hyperactivity is postulated to underlie cognitive dysfunction in schizophrenia. In contrast, the degree of NAc involvement is unknown and recent studies have suggested that PCP-induced hyperactivity in rodents may correlate with PFC, rather than NAc, dopamine levels. Rats were treated with 5-20 mg/kg/day PCP for 3-14 days by osmotic minipump. PFC and NAc dopamine release to amphetamine challenge (1 mg/kg) was monitored by in vivo microdialysis and HPLC-EC. Doses of 10 mg/kg/day and above produced serum PCP concentrations (50-150 ng/ml) most associated with PCP psychosis in humans. PCP-treated rats showed significant, dose-dependent enhancement in amphetamine-induced dopamine release in PFC but not NAc, along with significantly enhanced locomotor activity. Enhanced response was observed following 3-day, as well as 14-day, treatment and resolved within 4 days of PCP treatment withdrawal. These findings support the concept that endogenous NMDA receptor dysfunction could account for the pattern of dopaminergic dysfunction observed in schizophrenia, and suggest that even short duration abuse of PCP-like agents may greatly potentiate behavioral effects of psychostimulants in drug abuse situations. Finally, these studies provide a model system in which to evaluate effects of potential psychotherapeutic agents.
PMID: 12496938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"








i.e. dealers could throw in 10% PCP to make their 30% of coke seem like 60%

[torr_aox]

There was a bullentin sent to my work (psych clinic) stating recently that heroin and coke was being cut with fentanyl (fen-tan-ol...I can't remember the spelling), which makes the dose much stronger. It's caused almost 100 deaths by OD in the Detroit area.

So if SWIY decides to use either, please be careful.

[hyperlite]

I always thought it was cut with lidocaine or ephedrine or B12.......I would bet the cut depends on who is consumers are.....

SWIM hears fellow college students judging coke based on the amount of numbness and smell, usually the same ones that swear "X" pills are cut with heroin.......After which they get a swift kick in the ass by SWIM.

[Paperchase417]

i've found mannitol works well. dissolves quickly and is largely undetectable in your stuff by touch, or sight, some times the taste will give it up though. If you just put a little in good stuff, you've still got good stuff.