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Old 21-09-2009, 05:18
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Trouble Hitting a Vein

SWIM's cat cant hit a vein for shit! he's got beautiful veins (or so he's been told) and they pop out further just sitting there than hes seen on some of his friends after they tie off. He knows the basics and has read about ppls problems but nothing. He's smacked a few of his friends before and finds it real easy when it aint his arm but when he goes to hit himself he cant strike blood.

He's had people do it for him before and it works out great. He just prefers other methods most of the time depending what he's got to do that day. But now he's starting to get pissed at how quickly snorting/smoking wears off.

He's gone too deep before and split a vein so he is a little more cautious now but the last few times he's put the whole needle in and hasnt struck blood yet. He thinks he did everytime then pulls back and nothing. Afterwards it always looks like a tiny mosquito bite (no pain or anything) and very little blood compared to when he's had someone hit a vein for him.

Any help you could give would be great!

P.s hes partial to the forearm since right a needle mark at the crook of the arm is a little more noticable than he'd like to put out there. I dont think thts the problem since he hasnt been able to hit there either.
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Old 21-09-2009, 05:38
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

tell dude to try hitting from the side of vein, he might have 'twisters'. Works for some guy i don't know. And FSE probably give help too

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Old 21-09-2009, 06:16
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

I'll let him know, let you know how it works out, i've used the FSE, alot of trouble seeing a vein but not too much on specific what i need..

also, i've heard it described as a "pop" but any more info you could give me on what it's supposed to feel like when it goes in the vein?
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Old 21-09-2009, 06:33
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Well, connecting psychically with my martian guide, says she has trouble depending in rig she using. If she uses nice insulin pick then pretty easy to go in straight, draw back a little before hitting and then the spurt of blood lets her know when in. Hold still, and slowly pump down. If she using a barrel then she goes in all wobbly, misses usually and if hits then loses spot before can pump down. Takes 5-6 attempts with the large unwieldly pump. So think she knows dudes frustration. Strap helps, but release after find spot.
The pop that is talked about is likely the small change in resistance felt when needle penetrates vein wall, is definitely noticeable after practice. Make sure to shoot in same direction as blood flows, and try to keep needle as horizontal as possible (or inline with vein).
Swim agrees, is much easier with someone else to administer, but sucks for both if they miss repeatedly too
Have hot shower beforehand, to bulge veins up a bit. Helps a lot.
Weirdo martian... don't know if i'd trust her
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Old 21-09-2009, 06:38
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Thanks alot GD, my cat's only ever tried with an insulin so with him luck!

He said he's try tomorrow morning and hopefully come back with excellent news.

Godspeed martian!
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Old 21-09-2009, 18:27
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

If you're not injecting yet, then pleeeeeaaaasssssseeeeeeee don't start!!!

Your tolerance escalates quicker than you can imagine when you start injecting.
After a month or so you're wishing you were still smoking/snorting, as it took you a 1/4 as much to get a decent nod on.
Swim himself still has plenty of available veins, but is trying to get back to smoking, as it is simply so much more cost-effective.

In fact, one of swims friends, who has been an injecting heroin user for ~28 years, has recently switched back to smoking, and, while dramatically cutting down on the amount of money he spends daily on gear, he has also increased the effects dramatically.
In his own words, 'I haven't got nods like this since I first started using'.

Shooting is wicked at first, but very quickly it becomes rubbish compared to the high, and value for money you achieved with smoking/snorting.

EDIT: To the neg repper, this person is not an injector; they are instead on the verge of becoming one, as an experienced injector it is swims duty to highlight the negatives of making such a choice, your comment is facile.

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so very true, the OP needs to really think hard about making this step to full-time IV usage. It's very, very hard to go back to smoking...
Good to point out other methods of using.
Not helpful. If a person injects it's better they know the facts rather than being told not to.

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Old 21-09-2009, 20:36
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

yea if you use frequently i get how shooting can lead to an expensive habit but SWIM has a good handle on keeping it to a few days a week and it doesnt take much more than it did when he started to get a great high but the fact that SWIM has to snort another bag every 3-4 hours just to keep it up means that he's spending more for a night of dipping than if he could just take one shot and sit on it all night

correct me if you think i'm wrong but SWIM has found that 5 hours after a shot he is still feeling good, not great but definitely better than if he had snorted twice as much
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Old 21-09-2009, 21:15
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Its true that when you first start IVing it takes alot less to get the job done, however (and this is just SIKs personal opinion and could be wrong..) it seems like your tolerance to the drug grows alot faster IVing than with smoking or sniffing.
About trouble hitting veins.. Maybe you have rolling veins, sometime if you go in from the side, or if you can kind of hold the vein in place with a finger while you insert the tip of the needle, somtimes that helps.
SIK also says that you should draw back the plunger as soon as the tip of the needle is embedded in the skin, then as soon as you hit the vein you'll draw blood. You might be going a little too deep, also. It seems like lots of times, guys veins are alot closer to the surface then women's are, so you probably won't need to push the needle in all the way. Be careful though, because if the needle isn't all the way into the skin, it makes it that much easier for the needle to slip out of the vein, thus you'll waste your hit.
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Old 22-09-2009, 00:19
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

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...In fact, one of swims friends, who has been an injecting heroin user for ~28 years, has recently switched back to smoking, and, while dramatically cutting down on the amount of money he spends daily on gear, he has also increased the effects dramatically.
In his own words, 'I haven't got nods like this since I first started using'...
swim has heard this too, but after bringing it up at DF was told was rubbish, smoking doesn't compare...
Swim believes lungs can be quite effective at absorbing inhaled drugs, if they are vaporized/atomized correctly.
Swim envisions an inhaler, with carburetor kind of mechanism to split drug into molecular sized particles, swim believes this would be very effective RoA for pharma heroin and would bypass need to scar vein walls. Swim done a few searches but hasn't seen anything similar, so probably technical difficulties with this.
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Old 22-09-2009, 01:06
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

SWIM had troubles with his "usual" forearm veins so he tried the ones on the back of the hand.

Some helpful information for save injecting there:

- use tourniquet on upper arm
- pump with hand or knock on vein area
- desinfect area and wait 30 sec until you dry it with some tissue
- tighten your skin
- penetrate the vein slowly in a 30 degree angle
- once in flatten the angel of the needle immediatelly
- if you penetrated trough, just put the needle out again
- if you aspirate and blood is coming its not a 100% signal for hitting the vein correctly
- for injection search the Y- aborization of veins
- hit the crotch

This is special information for injection in the hand veins, SWIM got it from a EMS-tutorial and it worked fine for him. SWIY should be very carefully doing this, if not 100% sure what to do abort it. Work with sterile stuff and rethink your switching to iv use - often theres no way back to "normal" use.

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good post, some good basic information. usually people get this knowledge by doing it wrong 20 times, so thx for posting this common-sense info ;)
very good info unsure what ems means though
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Old 22-09-2009, 02:04
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

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swim has heard this too, but after bringing it up at DF was told was rubbish, smoking doesn't compare...
Swim believes lungs can be quite effective at absorbing inhaled drugs, if they are vaporized/atomized correctly.
Swim envisions an inhaler, with carburetor kind of mechanism to split drug into molecular sized particles, swim believes this would be very effective RoA for pharma heroin and would bypass need to scar vein walls. Swim done a few searches but hasn't seen anything similar, so probably technical difficulties with this.
SIK wishes that she had some sort of aspirator or inhaler that would spray dope into her lungs at regular intervals..
She wishes she could walk around with a hospital IV morphine clicker 24 hours a day, too.
The veins on the back of the hand work really well for SIK, but alot of people she knows can use them at all because they are so sensitive. On some people they just swell up and bruise so much that you cant play around with it.
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Old 22-09-2009, 02:58
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Take a browse through here, Injection Drug Use Documents, in the file archive if swiy hasn't already. Check out Safer Injecting, The Right Hit, Avoiding Arteries, Better Vein Care/Safer Injection Guide, and Getting Off Right. These are great resources with loads of safe injecting practices, including how to properly find a good injection site. Lots of pics to help swiy out.

Sounds like swiy just needs more practice hitting swiyself if he has no trouble hitting friends. It is a difficult procedure to master. Try not to hang onto the dart with a steadfast grip. Just let it set easily in swiys palm and gently grip the barrel with swiys pinky and ring fingers. Swim finds this makes it easier to grab the plunger with thumb and index finger. No need to force things if swiy has a clean, sharp dart. Hard to describe really, everyswiy developes their own techniques with practice.

Check out the documents and play safe. Cheers

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Old 03-10-2009, 08:02
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

SWIM thought he'd re-post a quote in this thread that someone wrote to swim in response to him having trouble registering in a vein. The thread is about cocaine but the SWIM feels like the same principles apply here. SWIM would like to point out that this response to him completely set him straight about I.V.ing and he hasnt tried since. (sorry if this isn't what SWIY feels like this is off-topic, but SWIM felt like he should share)

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1: Learn the anatomy of the arm!!

2: If SWIY is doing all this “He ties off his arm, uses a warm cloth, a couple light taps and can get a pretty good shot at a few veins in each arm” and can’t get a fucking hit he is not doing it properly; either SWIY is not going deep enough at right angle, moves the arm or hand (for example making a hard fist and loosening it a bit unconsciously) this is very common and causes several veins to move and/or go deeper or SWIY is too deep but this is easy to see a double-hit on a vein causes swelling of the area around it unless strong pressure is applied.

3: SWIY is going to shot coke; WTF does it matter to move around the needle chasing veins, just make sure to keep the plunger on 30 units or so constantly and try to catch something; if SWIY is going to slam coke the last of worries is poking holes around, he will be having so many so soon it wont matter. But don’t chase veins near superficial arteries like where the pulse is measured, don’t ever shoot coke if the blood on the syringe looks bright red, it should look dark red.
Hitting veins is easy to learn, too easy in fact, SWIM doesn’t need a belt in the arm, making a fist several times, apply warm to the area, he gets straight blind hits 95% of the time; with all of that is so easy to slam more and more and more it actually makes even more dangerous to slam coke.

Now the expected lecture; SWIY has never shot anything, is 18 years old cant even get a vein right on and is trying to do the most dangerous and addictive thing known; monkeys slam non-stop until death so do humans. If SWIY has ever though (most likely) “that won’t happen to me, just a few shots for the experience” about dependence/addiction/overdose SWIY should not even drink red bull.

If SWIY actually gets a vein and is ready to slam; he must do this first think all you have in life and if he wants to risk it all and eventually destroy himself and hurt others that actually care about SWIY (If that doesn’t apply to SWIY and his life is better slamming coke then never mind, although SWIM has yet to meet someone saying that afterwards); If SWIY slams the coke, welcome brother.


Cocaine is the most unpredictable substance around; SWIM has survived somehow overdoses near the LD100 and right now is trying to recover from a severe TIA with non-convulsive seizures.

The ultimate rush is to feel the kiss of death (massive tingling in the lips spreading trough the whole body) as everything becomes numb and paralysis sets it, heart beating somehow totally out of any safe rhythm then the eyes become blurry and everything turns dark over a few seconds and that’s it; whatever SWIY will ever wake up again and how he will be is also unpredictable; it can happen on the first shot or the 25000 at any dose (SWIM last kiss with death was caused by 200mg but he has survived over 600mg before), it will happen, several times in fact if SWIY is very lucky like SWIM.


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Old 03-10-2009, 20:27
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Sometimes SWIM has lots of problems shooting up because he's too sick, shaky etc to properly hit a vein. Not saying this is the OP's problem, but who knows, maybe it is? If so, SWIM suggests snorting a bit and waiting 10 minutes or so to get sorted out/unshaky, then do a slightly smaller shot.
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Old 08-10-2009, 20:29
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

SWIM got the hang of it, he told me to thank everyone for their replies. He wasnt holding it at the right angle and when he started holding it more parallel to the arm he didnt go deep enough because he was scared of splitting the vein and bruising as he's done a few times. He can now hit the one going up the thumb-side of his forearm in no time at all.

He found that all he has to do is to try and register every millimeter or two as he inserts the stick. That worked so well in the beginning and now he can almost always feel when it hits the vein and only has to try and register it once.
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Old 08-10-2009, 20:42
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

If you have trouble hitting a vein, register all the time while trying to hit the vein. Just pull the plunger a tiny bit back when the needle is in, small bubbles will form in the syringe (vacuum). As soon as you hit the vein, blood will rush into the syringe. It's much easier that way.

But usually, when you're an IV user, you will get enough experience to hit a vein whithout registering. You feel it when you're in. But it is always recommended to register, even if you're an experienced IV user and think you've hit a vein.
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

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If you have trouble hitting a vein, register all the time while trying to hit the vein. Just pull the plunger a tiny bit back when the needle is in, small bubbles will form in the syringe (vacuum). As soon as you hit the vein, blood will rush into the syringe. It's much easier that way.

But usually, when you're an IV user, you will get enough experience to hit a vein whithout registering. You feel it when you're in. But it is always recommended to register, even if you're an experienced IV user and think you've hit a vein.
Swims been trying the vacuum method mentioned above but i feel like that might rip open the vein cause ive done that everytime ive went in and registered everytime but i end up with a lump and no rush...
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Don't know why I'm posting this but... stay out of your hands! There is a phenomenon known as "Puffy Hand Syndrome" that strikes almost exclusively IV drug users who can no longer find veins in their arms or elsewhere. Google it and be scared-I've a touch myself and it's a dead giveaway.
I'll tell you what the old heads told me when I started, "Can't find a vein? Skin pop a twenty, do some pushups and soak your arm in warm water."
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Re: Trouble Hitting a Vein

Hey,

SWIM is a thirteen year veteran in injecting Dilaudid. That's right, first shot at 13 sadly. SWIM always keeps the bevel upwards, insert's into top of vein, and should be fine. If SWIY is not having any luck then pull out (without bringing needle completely out) and go back in at a different angle.

Just make sure SWIY doesnt burry a whole 12.7 needle through his vein as after years of puncturing through veins, SWIY will regret it as they take twice the damage when puncturing all the way through, and usually thegiven substance that's being injected will leak into SWIY's muscle/fats, which will cause deterioration of the area.

SWIY will want about a 45 degree angle from needle to skin. (90 degree would be the needle pointing straight down)

To elaborate on something else, for most drugs like heroin, morphine, and hydromorphone, the biovailability is increase multiple times going from oral/nasal to injecting, therefore if one is smart (like SWIM they can actually get by on less of the substance. (depending on the bioavailability of course)

The problem is, one becomes very addicted to the rush of the drug, and by nature will want to use much more during the day. Do not be fooled, injecting will usually last the least amount of time as well. (for SWIM anyways)

Take it from a SWIMMER who has been injecting since 13, it's not a good thing to start, though the end result is likely the same as the person smoking, addiction.

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