phalaris hunting-interested?

[dex_tree]

Hey all, i've just discovered that <A name=arundinacea>Phalaris arundinacea</A>grows wild in the midwest, so much so that it's classified as a noxious and invasive weed!


I live in NE south dakota, I was just wondering if there was anybody else living in the northern states that would like to join my on my hunt. Anybody who has had experience with phalaris(canary reedgrass in particular) would be greatly appreciated, or a noobie like me who would be interested.


There are many plants that look similar to this, is there any way to do a quick test to make sure I actually have the right plants? Also, is this the right season to search?


If anyone is interested, or would like to offer some advice, it would be greatly appreciated.


By the way, this should not be taken as an invitation or solicitationfor any illegal activities, I simply think it's a pretty plant





EDIT: By the way, I had to re-register so this is my first post. I've posted a few times in the past, but I'm usually able to find what I'm looking for in other posts so it hasn't been necessaryEdited by: dex_tree

[Eirias]

My friend-- I hate to dampen your enthusiasm, but Phalaris
simply SUCKS as a potential DMT source. It is sooo unpredictable
in its alkaloid content, and this in turn is affected by sooo many
different factors, that any attempt to utilize it as any sort of
extraction substrate is totally futile.

Trust me, there was a time when a lot of knowledgable folks in
the entheogenic community were very interested and excited by the
thought of various Phalaris concoctions, and one by one we/they/I all
realized (the HARD way, i.e. countless large-scale extractions and
experiments that FAILED) that it simply was not a viable source
of DMT.



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My advice would be to use the search engine for your
future queries, and stick with Mimosa hostilis. It is
sustainable, reliable, and readily extractable. Just search
around, and you will find.

[transit]

I’d agree with Eirias that Mimosa hostilis is the way to go; however, if you are wanting something that you can go out and find (as apposed to purchasing), you might want to consider Desmanthus illinoensis. It is clearly not as good as M. hostilis, however, the fact that you can, in your area, either find it or grow it makes it worthy of further consideration.

[dex_tree]

I've been on enough forums before... I should've known to search first :\ oh well...


I don't see how the varying alkaloid content could actually cause a botched extraction, I can see how it might make for some odd yields, and probably waste some solvents/time...


But if I assumed a .05% alkaloid content, that is still 1g per 2kg dry plant matter, am I right?


This canary grass is insanely abundant, there is at least 20kg of the crap within a mile of my house, and I haven't even made an effort to search, that's just what I can see from the road.


Will not knowing a precise alkaloid content actually cause me to destroy the little bit there is? I'm thinking that if I have a little too much naptha in there or something, it won't destroy the xtraction, only cause me a little more work, am I incorrect?


I've looked into this "illinois bundleweed" as well, though it seems it hasn't been documented in my county, the closest place which is guarunteed is a couple hundred miles away...


aawwwww damn! I was really looking forward to cookin up that canary grass.... oh well...


Will mimosa hostilis grow in this northern climate of mine, or would it be viable to grow it indoors?





Seems I have alot more research to do... I wish someone would write a book "DMT for Dummies"

[unico_walker]

Indoor growth is impracticle unless you have a greenhouse and years of
time. Also I have seen that M.hostilis bark gives unreliable yields and
that only the ROOT bark is usable, is this true?

[PenguinPhreak]

Yes, the root bark is the only part of the plant with high/any concentration of DMT.

[Marsofold]

For indoor DMT farming, Psychotria Viridis is the choice of most. It has a DMT leaf concentrationaround 0.10%. Not as high as Mimosa Hostilis(0.6%), but the leaves are harvested for extraction instead of the root. Extremely tropical, it barely grows below 80F.


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For outdoor climates where the minimum temperature in winter isn't below 20F, the Acacia Obtusifolia tree has leaves with a DMT concentration of around 0.2% DMT. Great for extractions. Although the bark has around 0.4% DMT,the tree will die if it is harvested sincethe barkdoesn't grow back. And it's a tree! Grow DMT in bulk! Who'd suspect?

[dex_tree]

psychotria viridis?


Sounds good, I will have to look in to that


I know nothing about acacia, but I do know that a tree will die if the bark is stripped around the whole trunk, ie a ring. It's a good thing to do to someone you hate, kill all the trees in their yard hehe, all you have to do is strip a very thin ring of bark around the whole trunk, and it'll die. Anyway, knowing that, maybe if you only take the bark around 270 degrees of the trunk, and leave a strip going up the whole trunk, the tree could possibly live... although it would be very sick, the rest of the bark would grow back eventually (I think..)


Just an idea, I'd try it myself but no acacia would grow in south dakota, it gets below zero routinely in the winter..


Anyway, I'm still going to try the phalaris grass... I have a little experience and some knowledge of chemistry, I think I could make it work.. Hell there's SOO much of the crap growing around here it's worth a shot, right? DMT seems to mainly occur in tropical plants, and those are in very short supply around here, I'd probably be very hard pressed to find that psychotria in any stores, I'd have to order it..


Well wish me luck, I'll post my results when I do it

[Marsofold]

The third choice for cold climates(it also gets below 0F where I live) is Desmanthus Illinoisis(Illinois Bundleflower). It can take brutally cold winters and the root has a DMT concentration of 0.07% DMT. OK, not the greatest concentration, but definitely growable outdoors in a cold climate. I've successfully extracted it myself and gottenroughly 60milligrams of DMT from an extraction of 97grams of the root. Extracting4 kilogramsof the root should yield around2.5grams of DMT. Enough for50 strong doses. I'm planning on doing a Desmanthus extraction TEK this weekend...

[Doc Holliday]

dex_tree,


I would also suggest the Desmanthus Illinoisis, the content is quite active and it grows fairly quick from seed. The seedsshould be scrapped to remove a section of the tough outerlayer soit can germinate the sprout. These are small shrub like tree and you harvest the entire plant to get the root bark. Don't try scrapping it off when it's stillplanted. So getsome seeds and grow up some beautiful D. Illinoisis, in the meantime why not try your Phalaris extraction forpractice, you may not get the yeilds you were looking for but there's only one way to be sure.