people who prefer hallucinogens

[polloloco001]

in rehab they told us about how drug use progresses. most people smoke
pot for a while and then progress to a certain class of drugs which
fits their needs. people whose drug of choice is stimulants are those
who need energy all the time (ie epidemic of meth use among dock
workers, construction workers, physical labor type professions). people
who use downers or opiates are trying to kill pain or in some cases
just experience the greatest pleasure they can. what they told us about
people who prefer hallucinogens, however, sort of disturbed me.
apparently a lot of people who use psychedelics heavily get into it
because they are somewhat crazy and if they do a lot of drugs they can
sort of explain the insanity and say "im just seeing things/hearing
voices/havign crazy ideas that make no sense because of all those mind
bending drugs i do" when really they are experiencing early symptoms of
mental decay. i myself prefer hallucinogens to other classes of drugs
and i like to believe it is because i want an expanded conciousness and
a higher understanding of things, but perhaps it is based on a fear of
insanity rooted deep in my subconcious.

[BeetleJuice]

Drug rehab people are retards,theyll say anything to stop ppl using anything,i recon there like fkn born agains

[Nature Boy]

What they told you was way too much of a generalization to be taken seriously. It's obvious that certain drugs suit certain people but it's not like anyone with a bit of energy will become a full-blown coke addict and that every lazy-ass slacker (like myself) will drop acid everyday for the rest of their lives.

Hallucinogens, when done right, are anything but mental decay. You can learn great things about yourself from any kind of trip, even if it's very unpleasant.

[als5555]

anti drug adds are as imoral as drugs them selves. i saw one today that said something like "don't want to bring up your own past with your kids, who cares. if you have to be a hippocrate it doesn't matter, you're the parent and you need to tell your kids that drugs aren't okay." so rehab people (the ones i delt with) were just as imoral as those adds. i was forced to rehab for pot by my school. and the funny thing is thatthe people from my schoolwho sent me thought i only did it once, they found out in february and i had done it with the kid that confessed once in october. they schedualed me 5 sessions and i was released after the first one by the therapist, who i could tell had never done drugs. i don't know about any of your dealings but the rehab workers i have encountered have never done drugs. so they recite their training and that's why it's so general. my favorites are halucinagens and dissociativestoo. i notice that when i hallucinate that it is a much more vivid and concious thought or vision that i think of sober. drugs make some of these unconcious thoughts more concrete. they help me to see my alter ego's and unconcious mind, and i have learned a lot about myself through these drugs. i don't know if i am slowly goin crazy or not but i doubt it.Edited by: als5555

[Nature Boy]

Rehab for pot?! That's just damn wrong. It's a real pity someone doesn't take a good look at America's policy on drugs and completely revamp it.

[Solidly-here]

I Prefer Hallucinogens ... different Perspectives.


Life IS what I think it is. If I lived in a Castle, with a staff of 100s, I could see this as Fantastic ... or, Awful. But either way I see it, I am still there. To me, it is better to be happy with my accomodations. I use Hallucinogens to prod my perspective toward being Happy with what I have.


I have close relationships with several people. When I am grateful for them (a feat I like to do), my Life is Brighter. Each person I relate to is NOT Perfect. I can look at their imperfection as just a small part of our Relationship (this is Ideal). On the other hand, I could Trash them for each "violation" of what I "think" their Life should be (a less-Ideal view).


With this in mind, Itake Hallucinogens. I dose up. I look deeply at all of the reasons for our Relationship. I see that this is a healthy one. I look at the Stumbling Block in the Relationship (which I have put there); it is puny, compared to the Goodies I get back in return. If (and when) I can realize that This is a Nothing, then I can Let Go of that Block. Whew. Now, I am grateful again.


I look at my Life. It is pretty good. Something happens (usually little). I look at my Life; it is now Less good. Oops. Time to dose up. Then I can see the good in my Life. My Life IS good. Well, that's good.


I use Hallucinogens for many facets of my life. If I am going to spend a day doing heavy physical labor, I can dose up. Then, as I do my work, I pay attention (very close attention) to what I am doing. This allows me to perform the task in the Best possible way. Easy on my Body. Easy on my mind, because I am so focused on my task that all of my Life (at that moment, and then That moment) is doing that task ... and that task is going well.


My Life is composed of: My life, the lives of those who I care about, and (hopefully, a lesser amount for) the lives of everyone else. I Trip to keep my life (and my loved ones) foremost in my thoughts. My usual way of thinking is to worry about all of the rest of the World (and forget about me); I Trip to change that perspective. It is certainly a work-in-progress. But, who knows? Another 100 Trips may help me permanently minimize my pity (and empathy) for most of the people I do not know. After all, THEY can worry about their own lives. If this day ever comes, my days will be much quieter, and MORE Fun.

[D.U.M.B]

I prefer Hallucinogens because I have always learnt something and had fun on these drugs more than I ever did with anything like speed or xtc.

[Nature Boy]

Or in the words of whoever said it:

Acid = Cheap holiday

[Hyperreal]

Let's not be too quick to dismiss this. In my experience at least, from people I know, a lot of people who are into psychedelic drugs are indeed 'somewhat crazy'. Sometimes they're the sort of people who'vehad to see psychiatrists throughout their childhood, who have had emotional disturbances or 'behavioural problems', if not officially diagnosed mental illnesses. Just as often, they what The Ultimate Comment calls novices: those annoying teenagers who try to flaunt how weird and crazy they are andfeign interest in such things as SpongeBob SquarePants and sporks. Both these kinds (good crazies and novices) seem to be attracted to psychedelic/ hallucinogenic type drugs.


There's no doubt that crazies use drugs as an excuse for their crazy thoughts. The sort of stuff drug people talk about - stuff like aliens, bioduplication, nude conspiracies - has its craziness mitigated by this unspoken subtext that says, "Look at the weird crap us drug people say because we're drug people". Novices, on the other hand, use a similar subtext as a sort of vindication of their'eccentricity', because they never really believed in it in the first place, and feel the need to convince themselves of it.


What happened in my circle (which I don't think is at all typical of groups of drug users) is that at some point we stopped paying attention to that subtext. We now talk about such things as interdimensional magical trumpets, time loops, the secret of the universe, and all the multitudinous features of the insane psychedelic religion we've founded quite seriously. Actually, it's not so much that we take them seriously as it is that the wall between taking something seriously and not taking it seriously has crumbled. We are neither serious nor joking, but some crazy hyperreal hybrid of the two.


I agree that to term this 'mental decay' represents a failure to recognise the value of such modes of thought. That is not because the established scientific/ medical community is just dismissive of the psychedelic state, but because it is equally dismissive of the state that it calls insanity. You don't need me to tell you how ill-defined the semantic boundary that has been constructed to seperate sanity from insanity is. What they say in your rehab, that these are symptoms of mental decay, causes a kneejerk objection, but in fact, it's true enough that psychedelic people think more along the lines of insane people.

[uqlfy]

To some extent individiual preference can influence what drugs a person uses. Also lifestyle is a factor. Then there are cultural influnces as well.


To say simply that "crazy people" use psychedelics and laborers use meth is to oversimplify the matter.


Now this is not to say that to others people who use psychedelics may appear crazy, but I assure that those "normal" peopleare the ones who are stark raving mad. Mental decay my ass, those same people who use that term probably watch twenty hours of television a week. Now that will turn your brain to jello.

[Diphenhydramine]

Yeah don't trust those rehab fokes. I was "under suspicions" from
my school, they were watching for me to trip up so they could finally
catch me. And catch me they did when I tested positive for
opiates (uh-oh). Anyway, I was sent home for a week to be tested
by a shrink. He thoroughly reviewed me, and I only obviously lied
about obvious stuff like "do you smoke pot", just because I wanted to
graduate and get done with it.



To make a long story short, he reported me as someone that he could never see as a substance user, or being swayed by addiction.



Hmm, well, anyone who read a biography of my life would instantly see
both statements are false. And this is supposedly supposed to be
a well-known and effective shrink.

[enquirewithin]

Don't heed what they say. They are just twisting facts to suit what
they want to you to beilive, just like the politicians. Where I live
you can see lots of anti drug propaganda. One of them is is something
like "Taking drugs= death," "Taking drugs= no U turn." "Don't take
ketamine-- it produces halluicinations, numbness, delusions, etc." Its
like an advertisement to teenagers-- and others.



Another is "Harm reduction-- methadone". Its well known that methadone is even more addictive than heroin.



Who will protect us from the lies of our governements and their agents?

[daveman]

the government has too much control over the say and use of drugs, all drugs shoudlb e legal, things would be much better that, way no more big mafia or gangs pedling things that are illegal in order to make money, now theyd either die, ore become part of the class that causes economic growth

[pabel_giboon]

saying insane people tend to do psichedellics is palinly laying. wouldn´t a psicho prefeer meth or coke? what kinf of illnes are they talking about? i think probably psichedellics users are in search of another reality, and can also have a misadaptation to social-reality as is now. but all genius in history have been misadapted to. that doesn´t mean you are a genious because you are on pischs, but missadaption is not a sign of an individual´s insanity but social insanity and porbably a sign of mental health of the individual.

[Insanoscopic]

Originally Posted by Hyperreal

it's true enough that psychedelic people think more along the lines of insane people.

definitely true, for example, Insane Ciaran, a 30+ schizophrenic guy who hangs around the hanging ground of many Ultimate Comment heads. I've noticed since doing more mushrooms and acid that i understand what he's talking about more and more. there's some mental common ground, some sort of abstraction level we've both gotten to, the only difference being, i can blend well enough back into society, whereas he's just insane. the bad insane.


the insanity comes in those hours when most of the effects are wearing off. conversation gets bumped up to a whole different plane. it becomes moreabstract. you use metaphors a lot more, you can string stories together so well. you become some sort of conversational GOD.

[Ninja Master]

i was once in a 12 step program. they were oddly enough a
christian bunch. so it comes to the point where i say to the lady
running the place "how dare you force your religeous beliefs on me" she asked me if i
believed in anything, and i said yes. they told me to follow what
i believed. and now you see me here i have alot of faith in the 12 step programs. i see them as very profitable to the government, and christians.

Edited by: Ninja Master

[oldman]

one -- rehabs don't know jack. that's why more people get sober on there own. two -- they want you to think you're crazy and that you can't do it (quit on your own) without their help. three -- who really decides what crazy is. And where does one cross the line between a little crazy and completely nuts. I take psychadelics becuase I like exploring a part of my mind that average people (those freakin clones that call everybody crazy) are too affraid to look at. Like a surrelll peice of art. And if someone says your crazy be glad what they really mena is that your unique. that's what I keep telling myself. P.S. I never felt more emotionally unstable than the both times I got out of 28 day rehabs. Those people (the workers) are the crazy ones.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Ditto, oldman. I like psychedelics the best also. If I was
given an endless pile of assorted drug types, I'd take all the
psychedelics before even starting on any of the rest of it.
Except I'd get into the pile of weed they left me.



The exploring of conscienceness, looking into the inner reaches of our
minds, seeking altered states of conscienceness, is a natural part of
being human. Cultures all over the world, going back ages, have
practiced it by a variety of methods, drugs is just one way.



The human need/drive to alter conscienceness is just as real and just as strong as the need for food, sex, survival.



People who are in denial of this are the crazy ones, not the psychedelic drug users.



And this is the reason the drug war is doomed to failure.



Why prohibiting prostitution is doomed to failure.


Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo

[Dextro]

Obviosly at a rehab place their not going to say people who use hallucinogens want to expand their mind, because that makes it sound good and people might want to experiment with it. They have to make it sound bad so people don't want to use it, so they make up something up about people who like to use hallucinogens are crazy. Their is no reason that you should actualy believe them.Edited by: Dextro

[Creeping Death]

Crazy = "You are be having in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable, therefore there's something wrong with you".

[oldman]

yeah or how about "you're behaving in a way that is not the waywe would like you to behave so you therefore are crazy"

[enquirewithin]

Who's more crazy-- people who believe in virgin births, men
rising from the dead and guys talking to burning bushes, or people who
take psychedelics?
Edited by: enquirewithin

[swanprincess75]

I love to see things that arent there but, sometimes when hallucinating I think im seeing ghosts and I get a weirded out. So it's 50/50 for me. I stick to weed when with a small amount of people but go "big" when there's a crowd!!

[Sklander]

Any hallucinogen used properly can be beneficial to ones mental health.

[oldman]

well if they say you're crazy that must be why you used them con-founded psychedelics. just like them crazy hippies that went to woodstock. I've found people think I'm crazy (wife included) and if I am why do you think I'm spendin all my time on these here message bords trying to figure out whatchems is gonna finally cure me of this crazy demon inside ma head.