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[perfectday]

ugh SWIM's flipping my lid. SWIM had a bottle of hydromorphone and SWIM's mother threw them out or hid them or something and now he can't find them, and he can't score. SWIM is dope sick as shit. SWIM need a new script for them, SWIM told his doc SWIM was addicted so he was weening me off and told me to only take only half a pill every 8 hours, which SWIM was taking like ten. Should SWIM ask for a new script sayign he wants to go to every 12 hours? Everyone is finding out SWIM does junk and SWIM mom found a rig HE hid, and shit just sucks, a month or so ago SWIM was getting really really good pure shit and had a bottle of 100 2mG Hydromorphones, shooting them gave you a nice 5 minute high that was soo unique. and just iving dope like 5 times a day noding to lou reed vinyls, and life was beutiful. Swim shot for four months plus and been using for a year or so, then went back to snorting and then moved, so SWIM couldn't score, and rememberd he had about 50 hydromorphone left, but his mother musta threw 'em out.

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[Birkill]

Harsh luck luck dude, if swiy is really desperate for some wd relieve then maybe you should look for some otc codeine containing pills and do a CWE just remeber to do the relevent research first as u dont want to end up with liver damage, just suggestion!?

Birkill added 22 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

Which is why i told him to do the essentiol research first!

Birkill added 1 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Birkill

Harsh luck luck dude, if swiy is really desperate for some wd relieve then maybe you should look for some otc codeine containing pills and do a CWE just remeber to do the relevent research first as u dont want to end up with liver damage, just suggestion!?

Birkill added 22 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

Which is why i told him to do the essentiol research first!

swims just trying to help a fellow man in need get some relief from the shite addiction offers as this method used safly has helped me out before!!!

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	advising CWE is dangerous for people who are inexperienced, and not advisable
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[I_8_my yellow crayon]

What the above poster suggested actually may help swiy a little, it will definately knock the opiate withdrawal down to a managable level. Or at least it has for swim. Swim is going to post a link that tells swiy the technique, and please do not incriminate yourself, SWIM- Someone who isnt me/ Swiy- Someone who isnt you are the basic terms to be used, and welcome to the forum.

Heres the link, if swim has acces to over the counter codeine medicine, swiy will have to ask for it at pharmacy, but swiy is shit outta luck if he lives in United states. Follow this proceedure to the perfect "T" exactly as it says.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9829

[helene]

Just make sure you don't do yourself in with a paracetamol (acetaminophen) or aspirin OD, yeh? That defo ain't gonna make things any better.

Be careful.

H

[Esmerelda]

Aww, I'm so sorry to hear that. A CWE would probably help, but like people have said, follow instructions carefully if Swiy does it.

An alternative is to return to your doctor, own up to the current situation, and ask for help. It sounds like Swiy could do with some real support right now anyway, and it can be comforting to confess all and have a professional on your side. Swie finds most doctors are sympathetic if you are completely honest - even if you've f*cked up - if you're open about it a lot of doctors will accept that and give you another chance.

Good luck.

[Birkill]

If swiy is worried about screwing up the cwe extraction he could buy some nurophen plus which have over 12mg of codeine and 200mg ibuprophen in them and just take a few every few hours, thats what swim done when he had nutin atall, i know your probably taking in a wee too much iboprophen but it shouldnt do damge if only taken this way for a short period. Its also better to get the chemists own brand as there exactly the same but at a much lower price!

[g666d]

Alot of local addicts make poppy seed tea when usual opiate sources run out. It is as simple as buying a large amount of seeds and washing with hot water - various methods to refine process exist but this works fine. It is dangerous with the dosing though, it is impossible to know how many alkaloids are in each batch and this will vary from day to day. Most reliable way to dose is to purchase a large amount of seeds and consume a minute amount of the tea, and judge from effects. Then as long as you agitate before consumption you will have a reasonable idea of potency.
A dose can occur from as little as 50-100g of seeds, however addict 88 says usually 300g is threshold for effects.
People have died misjudging dose from this, which wouldn't be the case if they always checked dose with minute amount when cooking a new batch.

More refinements to method include adding citric acid to increase alkaloid solubility and ensuring temperature is below 70 degrees celsius. Addict 88 says this is not really necessary for him, and simply washing with fresh boiled water from the jug works well, even lukewarm water works (perhaps better, codeine degrades above approx 40 degrees, as he recalls).

He says effects from doing this are in their own way preferable to codeine alone

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Originally Posted by Birkill

If swiy is worried about screwing up the cwe extraction he could buy some nurophen plus which have over 12mg of codeine and 200mg ibuprophen in them and just take a few every few hours, thats what swim done when he had nutin atall, i know your probably taking in a wee too much iboprophen but it shouldnt do damge if only taken this way for a short period. Its also better to get the chemists own brand as there exactly the same but at a much lower price!

sounds to swim like a good way to get stomach ulcers... it is sometimes hard to keep this kind of use to a once-in-the-blue-moon kind of thing. It is possible to CWE ibuprofen pills same as APAP. (just swims thought, nothing more)

[perfectday]

I live in the states, and it seems like nuprophen constains psudoephedrine instead of codeine. i don't think any opiates are OTC here

[helene]

Originally Posted by Birkill

he could buy some nurophen plus which have over 12mg of codeine and 200mg ibuprophen....Its also better to get the chemists own brand as there exactly the same but at a much lower price!

In an unprecedented show of stringent pharmaceutical controls, for some reason, in the US, codeine is not available over-the-counter in any form.

Swim knows this seems really out of character, considering America's past record, its ridiculously lax controls over things like oxycodone, how aggressively drugs like oxy are marketed, and how happy unscrupulous private docs are to prescribe it. Unscrupulous pharmacists and corrupt doctors are responsible for much of the illicit pharmaceutical market, and prescription forgeries and large-scale theft (something that is easily policed, if they wanted it to be) is responsible for the rest. But they don't want to, cos the nationwide epidemic of oxy addicts that ensued thereafter are the ones who suffer for it, and it's a nice little earner, a now captive (addicted) market, lining the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies for the foreseeable future.

But it seems like codeine (a comparatively weak opiate) has been chosen as the one flagship narcotic to receive the strict regulation that should really be applied to other, much more harmful drugs.

Being able to say "Look how responsible we are, we don't supply dangerous drugs like codeine OTC here, like their do in the UK" is a nice little come-back to any accusations of improper pharmaceutical practice.

Swim rather doubts the existence of that many Nurofen Plus addicts in the UK, certainly the fact that it is available OTC has not increased its abuse potential significantly, in swim's opinion. Certainly not when compared to the availability of other much stronger, illegal opiates, anyway. But there sure are a lot of oxy addicts in the US. And as soon as they end up addicted to this drug they've trusted their doc to prescribe responsibly, their script is cut and they're relegated to the realms of "junkie scum", switched over to a methadone script instead. Hey, it makes no odds, the money is still rolling in.

Instead, these people should be recognised as the innocent victims of an immoral pharmaceutical industry which shamelessly employs underhand practices in order to make a quick buck at the expense of people's lives.

Rant over. Sorry...

Anyway...

Originally Posted by g666d

Alot of local addicts make poppy seed tea when usual opiate sources run out.

Surely this wouldn't be strong enough to affect someone with the opiate tolerance associated with a moderately large sized (1g-3g a day) IV heroin habit? If they were rattling, it wouldn't touch the sides to make them better, right? Or would it..?

Swim knows the OP isn't in that position, she's just interested how well it would work for someone in her own circumstances. All those times she's been suffering in extreme withdrawal, never even thinking that those little poppy seeds in her spice rack could have made her well... Anyone in a similar situation ever tried poppy seed tea in an attempt to stave off withdrawal...? How did you get along?

Thanks,

H

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[I_8_my yellow crayon]

Helene

Swim wasn't addicted to heroin, but he was addicted to hydromorphone and hydromorph contin. Yes poppy tea definatly helped. Swim used 300g of seeds, which was enough to bring him out of withdrawal. He also took valium with it(which he does not recommend, it is very dangerous to mix a concaucion of opiates which one has no idea of dosage, with a benzodiazepine) a 5mg pill. Swim wants to add what he did was very reckless and the only reason it was done was because he was in withdrawal so bad he was literally pondering upon suicide, and just wanted the symptoms and negative thoughts to stop.

Now for the OP

Swim wants to add that he has no idea what the potentcy of hydromorphone to pure unadultrated heroin is, but he was using 4 30mg hydromorph contins plus 6 8mg hydromorphone hcl per day. So right around 160-170mg of hydromorphone a day. The pod tea brought him outta withdrawal, but his mind still craved the drug.

However, when one is addicted to a particular potent opiate, especially injecting, there is no replacement other than another potent opiate, that will relieve the mental cravings. All the swimmers know that even when withdrawal gets relieved, that little guy who sits on the shoulder still says "more..more"

On another note, swim knows how hard it is to move to a new place while addicted to a drug. Swim started by seeking out pot dealers or asking homeless guys where to find pot. Once he found a pot dealer he then began asking about opiates. Swim was able to get a source in less than a day.

Has swiy ever thought about just quitting? Because even posting this thread should have given swiy a little insight on how tough it is to maintain an opiate addiction. In the end when all is said and done, the addict is on his own when it comes to taking care of his habit. Swim will agree that poppy tea will help, when in withdrawal with no source, anything is better than nothing, unless swiy wants to quit, than nothing would be better than anything, depends on how swiy wants to approach this problem. Swim hopes swiy feels better, and knows how awful hydromorphone w/d really is. The good thing is, for some reason this particular drug comes out of system rather fast. Swim felt like a million bucks 8 days after his last dose when he quit the last time.

[g666d]

Originally Posted by helene

Surely this wouldn't be strong enough to affect someone with the opiate tolerance associated with a moderate sized (1g-3g a day) IV heroin habit?...
H

...probably not, that kind of habit is pretty much unheard of where swim is. It may do a little to take edge off, maybe comparable to 300mg codeine (for strong dose of tea.) Much depends on quality of seeds, potency dropped markedly a few years ago. Swim with virtually no tolerance still gets a nice buzz of approx 300-500g seeds, but depends on batch. A few years ago 200-250g would have had similar effects, but apparently they started being washed before sale. He still always checks with a small dose first. It sounds like for swiy it may be cheaper to get the real thing.

Swim was talking to friend last nite and it seems his own experience with LSD breaking addiction mindset is not isolated. He dosed well after going through (minor) WD, and it completely changed his outlook on life, stopped his mind constantly returning to thoughts of drug of choice.
Ibogaine seems to have similar effects, but swim not sure of this.

Swim's opinions, worth nothing more.

[MsBrownstone]

Did SWIperfectday maybe mean to write 1-3 BAG a day habit instead of 1-3 GRAM a day habit? 1-3 grams a day would be a serious habit. Sway personally has of course had days where she's done whole grams.. more than that lots of times, but thats a lot of dope. Especially if you're IVing.

[helene]

Originally Posted by MsBrownstone

Did SWIperfectday maybe mean to write 1-3 BAG a day habit instead of 1-3 GRAM a day habit? 1-3 grams a day would be a serious habit. Sway personally has of course had days where she's done whole grams.. more than that lots of times, but thats a lot of dope. Especially if you're IVing.

Sorry, maybe swim confused things a bit here, when asking about poppy pod tea. When she said:

Originally Posted by helene

Surely this wouldn't be strong enough to affect someone with the opiate tolerance associated with a moderately large sized (1g-3g a day) IV heroin habit? .... Swim knows the OP isn't in that position, she's just interested how well it would work for someone in her own circumstances.

She was referring to g666d's above post, and her query was helpfully answered by him and I_8_my yellow crayon (great name!).

The OP doesn't actually mention the size of his habit, swim was just putting things into her own perspective, with regards to poppy pod tea, and the likelihood of it having any effect on her when she is rattling.

Thanks for the info,

H

[perfectday]

Well SWIM was shooting between 6-10 mg of hydromorphone a few times a day, and god knows with H, SWIM would make a dime last if it was quality shit, which it usually was.