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Old 25-03-2010, 13:37
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clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Will clonazepam show up as positive for benzos on a urine screen? SWIM heard that this drug (klonopin) would not show up so took one and has a urine about 9 days later. Will it show up positive?
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

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Will clonazepam show up as positive for benzos on a urine screen? SWIM heard that this drug (klonopin) would not show up so took one and has a urine about 9 days later. Will it show up positive?
While SWIM can't give a straight answer to SWIY's question, since he thinks there are many affecting factors, he can tell this:

SWIM was in a detox/rehab last year, and before taking his first urine test he was surprised when the employee told him that the "quick-test" urine screens have a tendency to not show clonazepam as a benzo (or as anything else for that matter), at least if the amounts taken are not monstrous. SWIM then saw this himself, at the time of the first test he was taking 4 mg/day and the test showed nothing. About four weeks later SWIM took another test, at this time taking 3 mg/day, and still negative.
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Old 25-03-2010, 15:14
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Yes. Clonazepam will show up on an immunoassay screen. Most places will also do GC/MS confirmation for clonazepam. When I worked in a drug testing laboratory our protocol was updated to include clonazepam in the standard confirmation. Our screen already would pick it up.

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Old 25-03-2010, 15:29
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Look, the only way to get past a drug test is to not do the drug (being tested for) in the first place. I know this may seem harsh, but it's the only 100% positive way I know. If it's for job or probation purposes, why lose something you need, like your living or your liberty?
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Old 25-03-2010, 15:45
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

No one can answer this exactly for anyone. While I've heard some 'old junkie tales' about clonazepam and diazepam in low levels not showing up in quickie urine tests, I've also heard of people getting caught out because they believed those 'old junkie tales'.

Plus, if the people testing suspect that one has a problem with benzos, there's a good chance they'll order a more sensitive test, or send it to be GC/MS-checked.

A good rule of thumb is, the longer the half life of the medication, the longer it takes to clear. Clonazepam has a long-ish half-life; if someone didn't have their own prescription for this medication, I would suggest they not take it for at least 2 weeks prior to being tested. Actually, I would suggest they not take it at all, but whatever.

My roommate Girlie took Librium (another benzo with a long half-life) legitimately in the hospital for 3 days in a row. She was looking to start Suboxone treatment when she left the hospital but needed to be clear of benzodiazipines before she could start. It took more than 2 weeks (but less than 3) for her system to show clear. She took no other benzos, or anything that could remotely show up as benzos in her system - just low doses of Librium for 3 days in a row.

Benzos are a huge crapshoot. And if one takes them on any kind of regular basis, it can take even longer to clear the system.

Take what you want from that information.

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Old 25-03-2010, 15:54
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Apologies, I wasn't being flippant, but everyone's metabolism is different. As is every benzo. If anyone wants to enhance their mind maybe they should think of switching to something that's not gonna affect their test?
If you need to take benzo's for any medical reason, tell the people conducting the testing, and it will be taken into consideration.

But don't get yourself into trouble for a drug, it's just not worth the long term implications is it?

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Old 25-03-2010, 16:51
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Good point Sparkles, there are TONS of drugs out there that aren't tested for at all.
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

This test isn't for clonazepam, it is only for benzos. Please reply
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Old 29-03-2010, 12:53
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

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This test isn't for clonazepam, it is only for benzos. Please reply

No one can definitively say. However, Sparkles spoke to her pharmacist about this, and he says if only one pill was taken, and the user hadn't been taking clonazepam regularly beforehand, it may be undetectable. But he also said this depends on the sensitivity of the test. Further than that no one can say.

Now that SWIY has this info, Sparkles would suggest that if she has to undergo regular urine screening, that she avoids benzo use for at least 2 weeks beforehand. Hope SWIY gets the result they need?

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Old 29-03-2010, 13:02
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

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This test isn't for clonazepam, it is only for benzos. Please reply
Who told you the test was for benzos? If it was just listed as one of the things possibly being tested for (along with opiates and amphetamines, like most job apps) you might be ok. If they are testing specifically for benzos, I can bet they found a way to test for one of the four most common in the US.
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Old 29-03-2010, 13:43
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

The test is a standard ELISA for benzos. If positive, it will have GC/MS confirmation. SWIM has taken one klonopin before and passed this test one week later, but is very nervous. SWIM really thought it wouldn't show up, and was told this by several people, but now is completely freaking out. Thank you for all your help.
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Old 29-03-2010, 14:15
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

According to a site called Toxlab, benzo's can be detected in urine for up to 3 days, but again, this depends on the sensitivity of the test used, how long the person has been using benzo's, and the dose taken. They do stipulate that these are only "approximate" detection times.

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Old 29-03-2010, 14:26
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

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According to a site called Toxlab, benzo's can be detected in urine for up to 3 days, but again, this depends on the sensitivity of the test used, how long the person has been using benzo's, and the dose taken. They do stipulate that these are only "approximate" detection times.

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I think that must be an average. The metabolites in Valium have a half-life of 100 hours. If you were a semi-regular user, I can only imagine you'd be nailed on the test no matter what you did. But, most abusers take Xanax or Ativan, which make 3 days seem reasonable...
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Old 29-03-2010, 14:59
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Valium will indeed show up as positive for two to three weeks after last use, SWIM can say this from experience. Not so sure about clonazepam, that is why I was asking.
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Old 29-03-2010, 15:05
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

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Valium will indeed show up as positive for two to three weeks after last use, SWIM can say this from experience. Not so sure about clonazepam, that is why I was asking.
Well, the half-life of clonazepam is 18-50 hours, with diazepam at 20-100. To compare, Alprazolam is 6-12. So.... I could guess (from that little info) that clonazepam is not one of the drugs you'd want to hope has washed out of your system. But someone may know more than me.
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Old 29-03-2010, 17:23
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

I found the following link on the internet.... it seems the metabolite for clonazepam is all that can be detected, so would this metabolite then be what triggers the positive benzo screen on initial testing?

http://www.springerlink.com/content/tgtnlvu7ff76m75l/
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Old 30-03-2010, 20:44
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

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I found the following link on the internet.... it seems the metabolite for clonazepam is all that can be detected, so would this metabolite then be what triggers the positive benzo screen on initial testing?

http://www.springerlink.com/content/tgtnlvu7ff76m75l/

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"A highly sensitive NCI–GC–MS method for the simultaneous quantitation of CLO and its major metabolite 7-ACLO in urine was developed and validated."

I've already stated this in this very thread. Clonazepam can be detected by immunoassay screens. It will trigger a positive for benzodiazepines on an immunoassay screen. It can also be quantified by GC/MS. The same goes for it's metabolite, 7-aminoclonazepam. I've seen and worked with the machines that do these tests. I've seen the chromatograms. I've written the drug detection reports stating that some specific quantity of the drug was found.
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

SWIM passed a home test for benzos less than one week after use of clonazepam, so personally found that it was not detectable on a routine benzo screen, fyi, for future reference.
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

The detection time for clonazepam is 3-8 days. The longer time probably being for heavy, chronic use. So it makes sense that the screen was negative after a week.
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

if its any use swim took about 80mg of valium over the course of the weekend and swim doesnt usually take it was a one off

and swim tested positive for benzos for exactly 3 weeks before he passed his home drug urine test kits

also swims friend regularley takes clonazapam evry day and he got a clean test and passed his home drug test after 6 days

valium or diazapam is definetly the worst benzo to take due to its long half life and takes forever to leave ur system

swim understands no matter wat benzo u take it can and will show up on standard urine tests

kevsatim added 3 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

also swim took some Alprazolam for a few days and had a clean test after 3 days
so that should be the benzo of choice for anyone that has to do regular urine tests lol well in swims opinion

kevsatim added 6 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

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Will clonazepam show up as positive for benzos on a urine screen? SWIM heard that this drug (klonopin) would not show up so took one and has a urine about 9 days later. Will it show up positive?
u will be fine you will pass with flyin colours especially if u only took 1 klonopin

swims friend loves it and takes klonopin very often but stops 3 days before his urine test and has never had a problem just stay clear of valium if u have up comin test as takin 10mg will be detectable for about 15 days in swims experiance

hope this helps

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Yes. Clonazepam will show up on an immunoassay screen. Most places will also do GC/MS confirmation for clonazepam.
My experience with clonazepam differs. In the past, when I entered a methadone program I used clonazepam repeatedly on more than 10 occasions (terrible insomnia). It never once was detected, even when I was testing the very next day. Moreover I used it without any fear of it being detected. Below are the reasons why.

One of my friends took it regularly, and has recently tapered off methadone while taking them, having full 6 caries until his last day. Evidently his tests were just like mine, - negative for benzodiazepines or, he would have been penalized and had some or all of his carries taken away.

2 Things . First - it all depends on where the test is done and what kind of test is used. Physicians in Ontario for example, use a standard 12-bar, 6 window test (Methadone, morphine/heroin/codein metabolites, oxycodone, cocaine, methamphetamines, benzodiazepines and (optional) barbiturates (window 7). (Barbiturates are no longer tested in many clinics due to rarity of abuse and false positives from Gravol which a lot of methadone patients use). This info came from my physician who told me how the process works in much detail (to my surprise). I also know a methadone doctor who prescribes it for his methadone patients, for anxiety, and it happens to be the ONLY benzodiazepine he prescribes (hmm I wonder why )

The standard quick 12-bar/6-window "dipstick" test used in Ontario methadone treatment clinics has a rather high cut-off point. It is not able to detect benzodiazepine saturation lower than certain amount of parts-per-million. Because clonazepam is effective in such small quantities, these kinds of tests routinely fail to detect it. As for the actual number of ppm I don't recall it now but I am 100% sure I read it online in a Pharmacology Journal, and clearly recall seeing detection graphs for clonazepam, specifically.

Secondly, - whether or not it's detected by these quick and less accurate tests, - may depend on the actual amount of clonazepam consumed. I was always a very light user, and only took it when I needed it to treat infrequent insomnia. I don't feel any pleasure from benzos either, luckily, they just make me fall asleep. There is a very good chance that if you one is a light user and, one's circumstances match mine, - one may slip by.

Jasim, there is a good chance the lab you worked in used more accurate drug tests than ones still used in many methadone clinics, or by certain employers, as another example. I have no idea what tests Law Enforcement uses (because I have never been in trouble with the law in regards to drugs). But I would frankly be surprised if they are the same 6/7 window tests. So I don't deny your experience in any way.

What they do here is, in case one gets a false positive or an "unclear result" - one of the 2 bars on one of the 6 windows fails to fade out fully, for example, (but the client denies use), - in this case they send it to the lab to run a more accurate test. As an anecdotal example of how this works - I once had a false positive result for cocaine. When it was sent to the lab, however, - it came back negative, to mine and my doctor's relief - because I know it shouldn't be there, and as for him - he has never once found any of the 6 groups of metabolites they test for in my urine including opiates. (I only used ethnobotanicals and LSD for most part, and came to the program many days after last opiate use, - so it isn't very surprising.)

I know the tests are still the same now as they were years ago when I was on the program. In one of the clinics I go to see my regular physician there are 2 doctors who prescribe methadone and the lab is right behind the glass near the entrance so I can look in and see them being used.

If one decides to somehow sneak in his clean urine, -I would suppose it has to correspond to one's probable body temperature because there is a measuring strip on the bottle. They don't use a camera in the bathrooms because this is a public clinic setting and they have no right to place one there. But these these nitty details are of course - different from place to place, and from country to country...

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Old 21-10-2013, 11:31
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Moribund...chances are the tests used 3 years ago are all redundant by today's standards, I say "chances are" simply because I know virtually nothing about the tests that labs do to detect drugs in any bodily fluids. I do know that due to the amount of money connected with every level of addiction treatment, that drug companies are coming up with newer and more accurate methods of drug detection each year. So back in 2010, when this thread was last replied to (before your own response) ways of detecting benzodiazepines may well have been totally different to the way they're tested for today. That's one of the reasons it's best to start a new thread, as opposed to resurrecting an old one. Although I'm sure that someone will find the info contained in your post educational.

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Moribund...chances are the tests used 3 years ago are all redundant by today's standards, I say "chances are" simply because I know virtually nothing about the tests that labs do to detect drugs in any bodily fluids......................Although I'm sure that someone will find the info contained in your post educational.

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Nope. Not for us. Still the same thing here, dear. The only thing that changed is they don't test for barbiturates in many places. There is little need for the test to change, - most methadone patients are tested once a month here which leaves them with a huge window to do drugs sparingly if they wanted to. Hence - no justification to spend any more on accuracy of tests than is absolutely necessary. The idea here is to prevent the forms of addiction that are viewed as "most dysfunctional". Like not being able to stop using cocaine use for 7-10 days. When I was on the program my doctor back then told me that it's perfectly okay to tell him if I used drugs and what drugs I used, as long as they don't show up in my urine - he will have no problem with it, but he would rather have me be honest with him.

That other friend of mine whom I mentioned in the above post) only RECENTLY tapered off methadone while taking clonazepam daily or every couple of days as needed. By recently I meant less than 60 days ago (!). I saw him take those very often and I even knew when he is going to see his methadone doctor next.In fact I feel so confident about, having very recently chatted with my doc about it, that I will take a clonazepam and either ask him to test me with that test or order it online myself just to make a point .

I think the former may work, he is somewhat a "scientist at heart". He even ate a bunch of poppy seeds to see for himself if they would really show up as morphine metabolites in urine. The doc who prescribes me morphine is a little wary when I take benzodiazepines, but as long as I tell him exactly what I use, and don't go overboard - he is fine with it. He knows about this oddity with clonazepam I am sure he can arrange to test me "on the house" so to speak

I don't think you would have found the information personally useful or even timely. All of which is perfectly understandable because of your personal circumstances; you are not Canadian, and you don't use illicit substances, or aren't on a program.
Yet I am quite confident that those who live in Ontario, and are affected, - would. If I didn't think it is still relevant - I wouldn't have posted it.

This post is very info-specific, as opposed to "more general". It is a difference in information and experience that is location and situation-relevant, just like the posts in the Become an Opiate Addict to Treat Alcoholism Thread, about whether or not a methadone treatment for alcoholism exists in a particular country (like Australia). It made no personal relevance, but I spent nearly an hour trying to locate that information for others to whom it is relevant. This is why I believe it makes little sense to start a new thread just to say. - hey, it's different where I live.

Another thing is - I really don't know what made you think the government would completely change all their standard tests every 3 years Methadone programs just aren't a priority to them. They can't even upgrade their PCs from older operating systems, or start subsidizing a significant portion of funding for the Transit Commission like they do in majority of Western countries. Does the word "conservative" ring a bell? To me the tolling of that bell just never ceases alas....
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

OK, here I go, first off I took a drug test for a casino about a year ago, had been taking clonazepam therapeutically, anywhere form 1mg to 2 mg a day, they did a 10 panel, result was negative. I have been taking about 1 MG a day and purchased a 40 dollar 12 panel drug tests and once again the result is negative. They are looking for abuse levels, if they checked for therapeutic levels they would be calling half of the people that test. Its cumulative, concentrations have to be very high. So who ever keeps posting that if you take a benzo and its will definitely show up is full of S--T!
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Re: clonazepam and urine test for benzos

Seems to be a lot of info in this thread. Too much for me to read on my phone right now. So all I will add ATM is that once, 4 years back I was taking up to 6-7 mg klonopin a day as well as copious amounts of phenazepam(wish I could still find that stuff, seems to have left the market) and I passed a test while intoxicated from both. This helped me not get an OUI. It was an instant cup test. Issued by a police officer

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