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Old 12-12-2009, 22:40
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

Wait. SWIM just took an entire swab of 250mg...is that too much?
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Old 13-12-2009, 22:22
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

SWIM takes 500mg at a time with a high tolerance, without tolerance a 250mg dose should be a nice strong high. Its a high does for someone who is senitive to stimulants.

Even without a tolerance 250 is just about right for SWIV.
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

I read about propylhexedrine online and decided to give it a shot. I bought 2 inhalers, but only decided to do one. (250mg) i cut the cotton into 4 pieces and put them into empty capsules and swallowed. An hour later... holy crap I was so high.! extremely talkitive, euphoric, loving the world. high lasted around 6 full hours, but i could not go to sleep. Nexy day i decided to do my other one...made it the same way, swallowed, and waited...and waited...nothing after 3 hours, only slight stimulation. 2 hours late my heart was pounding and beating funny i had horrible anxiety and i had to beg my room mate for 2 ativan(lorazepam) and even that only calmed me down a little. moral of the story is, don't redose the next day without doubling up(500mg or 2 inhalers) but it does rock!!! i felt like 60mg of adderal to me..i was SOOOOO high....careful out there!

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Old 11-01-2010, 23:39
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

ABOUT THIS... SWIM is curious too. But she lives in the uk and is concerned about paying loads of money/getting into trouble if one was to be sent? Anyone know of the uk customs stance on this?
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Old 15-03-2010, 14:56
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

Well SWIM tried this yesterday and is not sure he got everything out of it using an extraction method. SWIM was not about to eat cotton with menthol and lavender on it.

SWIM started with 6 inhalers and wound up about 500mg of final product in a crystalline form. SWIM was not happy but he hurried the extraction and may have lost a lot of final product doing this. A link could be posted to the method SWIM used but I am not sure if it is allowed.

Here is the method just for background so maybe someone can tell me why SWIM wound up with a very salty substance. Basically muriatic acid/water was used to extract the product from the cottons. It was then filtered to remove menthol. Then lye was added (he discovered the lye also had some other things in it!) until cloudy. Diethyl Ether was then added, agitated and good layer removed. Water and a few drops of muriatic acid was added, agitated and good layer removed. The good layer was then evaporated to get final product.

SWIM's final product tasted like salt so he was very nervous about exactly what he had made. The question is, why does it taste like salt since the final product is supposed to be more of a chemical taste?

He did decide to ingest about 25mg orally to test and hasn't had any adverse reaction. The substance did leave slight numb tongue and felt like drinking about 2 monster energy drink very quickly. The good part is there was no taste or smell of menthol or lavender.

Forgive SWIM for being a nub about chemistry and if the answer is obvious.
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Old 15-03-2010, 15:54
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

it tastes salty due to the muriatic acid (HCl). this reacts vigorously with any sodium containing compound and precipitates NaCl rapidly.
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Old 16-03-2010, 21:13
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

OK, SWIM has an update.

In SWIMS quest to prove if Propylhexedrine is an adequate stimulant, he did another extraction from Benzedrex Inhalers. SWIM did not like the idea of eating the cotton which contains lavender and menthol. It seemed like doing less than a full cotton at one time would be difficult for SWIM since the Propyl may not be evenly distributed throughout the entire cotton rod.

This time SWIM told me he combined a little bit of a few different extraction methods. SWIM claims no credit for any of this since he borrowed info from other sources. It requires the least amount chemicals since things like lye and diethyl ether or Toluene are not available in any of SWIMS local stores.

According to SWIM you will need the following prior to starting:

Benzedrex Inhalers (3-6)
Muriatic Acid - hardware or pool supply stores
Distilled Water
Glass Eyedropper (used for measuring but can be substituted)
2 small Pyrex (heat safe) glass bowls
Small Funnel
Coffee Filters
Disposable Gloves and goggles (we are using Hydrochloric Acid)

Here is the procedure SWIM used to extract the Propylhexedrine:

  1. Put on your gloves and goggles.
  2. Add 20ml water and 10ml Muriatic Acid in to one of the bowls.
  3. Remove the inside cotton from the Inhalers.
  4. Cut each cotton up in to small sections using scissors and drop them in the bowl.
  5. Let them soak for a few minutes while working them with your fingers to remove as much drug as possible. If you don't have gloves you may want to use a spoon instead of your fingers.
  6. Squeeze each piece of cotton to get all the liquid out and place them in the empty bowl. You should now have 1 bowl with liquid and 1 bowl with cotton pieces.
  7. In the bowl with cotton pieces, add 15ml water and 5ml Muriatic Acid.
  8. Again let them soak for a few minutes and squeeze out any excess liquid from the cottons.
  9. Combine the two bowls of liquid in to one bowl.
  10. Now using the coffee filters and funnel, filter the solution at least three times discarding the filters and keeping the liquid.
  11. Once the solution is filtered, heat it over a low flame. You want it to evap without boiling. This step actually takes the longest and seems the most important. SWIM has boiled his in an attempt to rush and lost most of the Propyl it seemed.
  12. Once the solution evaps it will leave white crystal film, tan crystal film and brown thick goo. Use a razor blade to scrape the white and tan crystals out. You can them smear the goo out in a thin layer to dry it quicker. All of this contains Propyl and SWIM mixed it all together while chopping up the crystals. He ended up with something resembling brown sugar.
Again, SWIM said the final step seems to be the most critical and cannot be rushed - DO NOT BOIL it. As it evap'd it left a white "ring" or "layer", a tan ring and a brown goo. Smearing the goo out on a mirror or glass dish will allow the goo to dry quicker. DO NOT USE a hair dryer to dry the goo, it will just melt and liquefy.

The extraction does not remove all the impurities and that is why there are tan and brown crystals. SWIM just chopped it all together to even out pure and non pure Propyl.

SWIM tasted the substance and it tasted like a normal chopped up med or chemical. It was not real salty and a little bitter. SWIM used a scale and wound up with 756mg of the substance. Since SWIM started with 750mg of Propyl he assumed he did not wind up with all 750mg and had some impurities accounting for additional weight. SWIM assumes there may be as much as 20% loss but he is not sure.

Most of the process took about an hour but the goo took a while longer to solidify and dry enough to be scraped and chopped. SWIM seems to believe this is definitely worth doing and it is a nice OTC drug. SWIM also didn't have any lavender or menthol burps and didn't have to eat cotton so taking the substance orally was simple.
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Old 16-03-2010, 21:27
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

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ABOUT THIS... SWIM is curious too. But she lives in the uk and is concerned about paying loads of money/getting into trouble if one was to be sent? Anyone know of the uk customs stance on this?

Its a Class C drug here Fishy believes. It was abused to death during the 1960's and early 70's. Which is why our nasal inhalers no longer contain this stuff. Fishy cautions against attempting importation, as it could get Swiy into big trouble. In fact Fishy dad was addicted to using the inhalers for a number of years. He would sleep with one stuck up his nose all through the night. Until of course they changed the formulation.
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Old 16-03-2010, 23:51
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

In response to the last poster:
Swim reckons she will stick with her trusty supply of illegal amphetamine. Ironically this seems the safer option - legally she means of course, not in health terms!
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Old 17-03-2010, 00:00
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

swim did a full cotton got puking sick with a pounding heart--careful out there--peace
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Old 17-03-2010, 13:08
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

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swim did a full cotton got puking sick with a pounding heart--careful out there--peace
SWIM says this is why SWIY should do the extraction if SWIY doesn't want nausea. It will then also be possible to control the amount ingested. Starting with 125mg (half the amount in 1 inhaler) is a good idea according to SWIM.
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

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swim did a full cotton got puking sick with a pounding heart--careful out there--peace
The problem is starting with the whole cotton.

If SWIY were to take the cotton and hold it over a light source he should notice that part of the cotton is a dark shade of brown compared to the rest. If you cut out the non-discolored portions on either side that brown section has very little of the lavendar/menthol but contains all of the propylhexedrine.

Doing this should take care of the nausea problem.

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Nice tip. Never heard of this before.
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Old 19-03-2010, 20:40
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

IN SWIM's opinion, propylhexedrine is largely under-rated. It's a great amphetamine substitute, and is totally legal (in the US anyways). SWIM favors PPA over methcathinone
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Old 19-03-2010, 22:05
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

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  1. Add 20ml water and 10ml Muriatic Acid in to one of the bowls.
  2. ...
  3. In the bowl with cotton pieces, add 15ml water and 5ml Muriatic Acid.
As SWIM has mentioned in similar threads, that is WAY, WAY too much acid for this process (specifically here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ion#post772190)

Working with the theory that a proper extraction would only require a quantity of HCl acid that is equimolar to the propylhexedrine, one 250mg inhaler would require a minimum of only 218.3 mg of HCl acid to extract the full amount. The standard 37% HCl concentration is about 1.18 g/ml, so that would be less that 1/5 ml of acid.

Again, here are the molar values:

Propylhexedrine: 155.29 g/mol
Hydrochloric acid: 136.46 g/mol

So, theoretically, only 1mL of HCl acid is needed in order to extract ALL the propylhexedrine from 5 Benzedrex inhalers. SWIY could double the amount to 2, just to make sure there's enough, but that's nowhere NEAR the 25 mL mentioned above.

ALSO, the menthol and lavender can be easily extracted from the water/HCl/propylhexedrine mixture with a small quantity of petroleum ether or similar water immiscible solvent.

Important notes:

Cut the cotton into very small pieces to increase surface area.
Soaking the cotton in a little isopropyl alcohol before adding the water is helpful.
Using boiling HOT water greatly facilitates the extraction.
Repeat the petroleum ether separation a couple times to remove adulterants.
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Old 22-03-2010, 02:47
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

One more thing to clarify about the above process notes:

When separating the menthol and lavender with petroleum ether, SWIY would hypothetically add it to the water/acid/propylhexedrine solution (AFTER the cotton is removed) in a volume of about 1.5 to 2 times the amount of the water solution.

After thoroughly stirring, shaking and mixing the solution, let it sit. The petroleum ether (having dissolved the unwated oils) will rise to the top. The propylhexedrine solution can be removed with a separator funnel (or eye dropper, actually).

Repeat until no more menthol/lavender odor is detected (or it's at least diminished to a point that's tolerable. SWIM personally finds the odor repulsive.
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Old 22-03-2010, 15:39
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

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One more thing to clarify about the above process notes:

When separating the menthol and lavender with petroleum ether, SWIY would hypothetically add it to the water/acid/propylhexedrine solution (AFTER the cotton is removed) in a volume of about 1.5 to 2 times the amount of the water solution.

After thoroughly stirring, shaking and mixing the solution, let it sit. The petroleum ether (having dissolved the unwated oils) will rise to the top. The propylhexedrine solution can be removed with a separator funnel (or eye dropper, actually).

Repeat until no more menthol/lavender odor is detected (or it's at least diminished to a point that's tolerable. SWIM personally finds the odor repulsive.
Thanks for the additional info! Maybe SWIM should try using less HCI to help keep the total volume of liquid required down. This would help speed up the EVAP process.

SWIM did try using en extraction method very similar to the one you mentioned with Diethyl Ether (very flammable) to remove the oils. His final product was a little more pure but he seemed to lose some of the propyl along the way and the yield was pretty low.

SWIM's final product tends to be a light brown with some oil remaining. It has a very bitter taste but when ingested orally it doesn't give any lavender or menthol burps. SWIM doesn't recommend snorting it using the method he mentioned since it tends to burn rather sharply.
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

SWIM was recently posed with the prospect of working a double shift and was out of dexedrine; and so walked to his nearest pharmacy for an inhaler. swim noticed that it was in a different box and contained no camphor. that night after a relatively expected experience (very little fun, but fully the energy boost he was looking for) that some small lumps had formed on the roof of his mouth that were painful to the touch. these are only now beginning to retreat into the surrounding tissue (6 days later). SWIM doesnt think he will be using inhalers ever again, and would advise others against doing so as well.
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

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This is what I dug up from goggle groups:


<A name=msg_c27d05dade9661d4></A>Several times, I've heard of manufacture of speed via VICKS, when the inhaler
to use is Benzadrex, now that Dristan inhalers are not marketed.



1 cup water )warm)
8 cottons from inside of Benzadrex (manually shredded)
1-1/3 tsp Muratic acid
let sit 20 minutes
strain and keep excess liquid from inhalers in jar
pour 1/2 in Pyrex (clear) pan
low heat, NEVER let boil
swish liquid to cool
liquid will turn to syrup
ESPECIALLY NOW do not overheat (low-mid on oven)
try to evenly distribute the syrup by allowing pools to flow around pan
when syrup flows no more, stop
let pan cool 10 minutes
scrape bottom of pan with razor
you'll get a slightly off-white substance if you did not mess up
powder is now 'kitchen crank'
repeat with remaining 1/2... Is this common knowledge? This is pretty much it I guess to get the crank from these things, if this si even accurate.
What concentration of acid should be used? This is a bit of a vague measurement.
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Old 02-04-2010, 21:20
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

Commercially available "muriatic acid" is sold in several different concentrations (with any number of impurities and adulterants, depending on the source), but reagent grade hydrochloric acid is usually used at a concentration of 37%.

Also, just a word of warning– any chemistry process found online measuring concentrated acids in "teaspoons" should probably be avoided.

(Of course, if the title "Kitchen Crank" wasn't warning enough, the more technical nuances of chemistry aren't really going to be red flags... )
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

So SWIM used a Benzedrex inhaler today by route of it's recommended intended usage. Nasal. SWIM was surprised at the lack of detail about instruction of use on the product.

SWIM got out of the fine print: sniff twice up each nostril, and don't go doin that more than every three hours. Oh and don't go using it longer than three days, either. Wow. Well, nowhere does it address the problem SWIM has. How big is an "inhalation" as it is stated on the product?

Trial 1: SWIM tried a little whiff as soon as he bought it. He knows now that was not a dose at all, as he barely got a hint of it's . . . unique taste.

Trial 2: SWIM just shoved it up his right nostril and snorted like life itself hung in the balance. That cotton object inside that detergent-tube rocketed straight up to the top hole, tickled his nose hairs, and a feeling in his passageways not unlike being internally pissed on occurred. Tragically, this nearly sent SWIM flailing and flying off his chair.

Based on side-effect profile, I'd say this SWIM got more than a normal recommended dosage. In just one inhalation, not two in each nostril. Note SWIM's inhaler has an EXP date of just about two years from current date, to define possible potency.

Have any SWIY's had any pronounced inhalation experience with propylhexedrine similar to SWIM?
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

Zig hopes he did this right.... here's Zig's experience post about Benzedrex. Zig is planning to impersonate a chemist this week, so he'll update as needed!
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...68&postcount=8
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

an easy step by step extraction method with pictures would improve the recreational value hugely!
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

SWIM just took one cotton rod today and less than a half our later SWIM is feeling fairly pleasant. SWIM is an avid user of adderall(prescription, though admittedly a bit recklessly) and until SWIM switches doctors to one more convenient to the city she goes to school in, she has to drive a few hours home to go pick her's up. It's been a couple of days since cessation and SWIM has a few days to go before she has the time to pick up her script. SWIM cut the cotton rod up into pieces and swallowed with water, but is going to try an extraction next time. So far she isn't experience any negative side effects except a slightly faster heart rate. It feels very similar to about 20-30mg of Adderall(250 mg propxylhexedrine, that is) and SWIM's fairly low tolerance to drugs(if she isn't being stupid and binging on it, which happens sometimes) makes this feel quite potent. SWIM has tried a couple of "alternatives" to amphetamines such as ephedrine from OTC products, and by far this is the best.
She agrees that when this "catches on" a little more, it will be illegal or at least placed under more control. SWIM was able to get it in the Cold/Flu aisle and wasn't even asked for ID, which is required for products like Primatene.
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Re: Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Inhalers)

Alright an update for SWIM -
SWIM did not sleep the night she posted this - but that was to be expected because she took it pretty late at night. She redosed twice the next day(one in the morning, one in the afternoon) and felt the same sort of high. She does notice that it raises her body temperature and heart rate, perhaps a little more than adderall. SWIM took one today, and doesn't feel like she's gained much tolerance, if any at all, and slept very well(very unusual for SWIM), but that may be because of how hectic the day was. She's going to give her body a little rest for Friday and the weekend. She noticed that the come-down is not as harsh as adderall, which makes SWIM cranky, depressed, and an absolute cow to be around.
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SWIM took half a rod (150mg) and felt very pleasant for about 5 hours. The mental clarity was amazing. He took it around 6:30 and fell asleep at 12:30, about an hour after the effects subsided. He also had a very restful sleep. Delicious!

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