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Old 19-02-2010, 19:03
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

^ swim still thinks these are useless, when it comes to anything. They dont relieve any pain and really dont do much when it comes to heroin wd, but this is all in swims experience. Swim is cutting down on these from 4000mg a day to 1200mg a day now, since sudden stopping after long term use can cause major problems. Hopefuly in 2 weeks he will completelly stop.

What is the point of putting something of such large quantities into swims system if it isnt going to work?
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Old 22-02-2010, 23:15
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

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^ swim still thinks these are useless, when it comes to anything. They dont relieve any pain and really dont do much when it comes to heroin wd, but this is all in swims experience. Swim is cutting down on these from 4000mg a day to 1200mg a day now, since sudden stopping after long term use can cause major problems. Hopefuly in 2 weeks he will completelly stop.

What is the point of putting something of such large quantities into swims system if it isnt going to work?
There is no point. These seem to have very different reactions for each individual. They saved swim during wd's and are helping him greatly with anxiety and depression. SWIM wishes Lyrica was approved in the US for anxiety like it is across the pond.

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Old 23-02-2010, 01:24
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

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There is no point. These seem to have very different reactions for each individual. They saved swim during wd's and are helping him greatly with anxiety and depression. SWIM wishes Lyrica was approved in the US for anxiety like it is across the pond.

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really? Everything eventually stops working for swim like swiy said everybody is different.

Has swiy been using them for a long period of time? Any plans to stop? Know how to stop? swim cut down to 2100mg a day then tried cutting to 1200 but had some major problems the next day
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Old 23-02-2010, 04:23
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

They are useless for heroin WD but SWIM says they can help benzo and alcohol kicks.
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Old 23-02-2010, 07:19
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

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really? Everything eventually stops working for swim like swiy said everybody is different.

Has swiy been using them for a long period of time? Any plans to stop? Know how to stop? swim cut down to 2100mg a day then tried cutting to 1200 but had some major problems the next day
About 2 years SWIM has been on them. Usually takes at least 4000mgs. SWIM usually takes them for a couple weeks then is without for a couple weeks. He takes more than he is prescribed. He doesn't get a nice feeling from them like he did when he first started taking them,they make a noticeable difference in his anxiety and depression that he has had since quitting opiates though.
SWIY might want to try cutting the dose by less. try just cutting down 3 or 400mgs at a time. Hope all goes well for SWIY!

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Old 23-02-2010, 07:33
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM keeps reading about how this is helping for anxiety/depression! He is resistant to SSRIs/many different "augmentation" drugs and he's going to push his physician for a script. The "good reports" on depression relief is out there, all over. Hopefully in time it will actually be approved for depression and not "off label".

As for recreational use (which SWIM is not interested in)... there seems to be a lot of experience reports indicating this potential.

Take this SWIY for instance...

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To classify this pharm is a near impossible task. It is everything and anything in one pill. The only downside to gabapentin so far as I can tell, is the onset. These little guys take upwards of an hour to really start to kick in, but luckily, they last for 4-8 hours it seems. After the waiting and the waiting, I’ll suddenly stand up, expecting nothing to happen, but suddenly all the gaba-tainted blood just rushes to my head and BAM, I is fucked.

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While on gabapentin, it’s always good to be around others, listening to music and just doing something creative. I’ve walked for almost 8 hours straight around my campus just because I could and it was the middle of the night. I love to play bass guitar or play a solid video game to see how my skills are greatly increased while “rocking” the gaba, as me and my friends have come to call this wonderful euphoria.

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Old 23-02-2010, 16:58
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

^^

Tolerance builds quickly for recreational doses. SWIM still feels when it kicks in though,and has much better days with it. Where are you from? It is approved for either anxiety or depression in the US otherwise my Psysch would never prescribe it to me. Very commonly given out. If you're over seas try for Lyrica. To SWIM it feels the same except a little more intense,and much less of a tolerance gained. SWIM is waiting for approval for anxiety in the US! Also works on the gabba receptors from what SWIM has read.

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Old 23-02-2010, 18:26
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

yeah swim is going to cut down 300mg a week perhaps. he gets the 300mg caps. Swim has never felt anything from these, maybe once when he increased doses in the first 2 weeks but it was mild, even taking a large dose at a time he wouldnt feel a thing. Just like valium, things just stop working for swim, hes going to try to get a prescription for something better. As for depression, swim still gets down a lot, so dunno how it really helps depression.
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Old 23-02-2010, 19:06
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

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yeah swim is going to cut down 300mg a week perhaps. he gets the 300mg caps. Swim has never felt anything from these, maybe once when he increased doses in the first 2 weeks but it was mild, even taking a large dose at a time he wouldnt feel a thing. Just like valium, things just stop working for swim, hes going to try to get a prescription for something better. As for depression, swim still gets down a lot, so dunno how it really helps depression.
Cutting down that way seems like a good idea to SWIM. SWIM also grows a fast tolerance to things. And it defenitly works well for SWIM's depression and anxiety as mentioned before. Like SWIM said,seems to work on each individual in various ways. Why has SWIM been on them so long if they aren't helping?

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Old 23-02-2010, 22:00
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

well they were prescribed for Heroin w/d for swim. and doc said swim needs to continue use because they are designed for longterm use and should not be discontinued suddenly but decrease in dosage over a period of time. He said swim needs to take them untill June but if they have done their job and yes swim has been H free for 60ish days then no need to take them anymore as they dont help pain. Apparently they can be used to relieve some nerve pain swim has been having but they dont work anymore even at high dosages.
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Old 01-03-2010, 19:02
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well they were prescribed for Heroin w/d for swim. and doc said swim needs to continue use because they are designed for longterm use and should not be discontinued suddenly but decrease in dosage over a period of time. He said swim needs to take them untill June but if they have done their job and yes swim has been H free for 60ish days then no need to take them anymore as they dont help pain. Apparently they can be used to relieve some nerve pain swim has been having but they dont work anymore even at high dosages.
It is a wacky drug - I've seen a lot of monkeys prescribed it for nerve pain - one fellow for frostbite injuries, one for arthritis, another for a nasty fracture. The 2 who experienced acute trauma started with the standard narcotics for pain but then the docs transitioned it over to gaba for more long-term pain management.

SWIM can't speak to the health risks, but a certain dingo I know has fun with around 3000-4000mg plus some tasty rye. Not enough to get drunk, just to intensify the body effect of the gaba.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:28
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

^ swim did that with around 2700 + valium + alcohol ... not a good idea but he never slept better in his life, last thing he remembers was being at the computer and then waking up on the sofa in another room. Swim knows its bad to mix but sometimes desperate times call for dumbass measures
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Old 28-04-2010, 21:35
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

swim thinks they are good for both opiate w/d as well as moderate recreational potential.

not really much of a high or buzz associated with them, but at around 900mg with no tolerance they can make you feel relaxed, social, and pretty damn happy, with a bit of wobbly legs to boot.

2-3 grams will have you very relaxed, almost benzo-like sedation w/o memory loss and maybe a bit warmer sensation...

definitely recommended for opiate w/d, help you get to sleep and helps with physical symptoms as well as mental, preferred over benzo's in swim's opinion as they seem to make the RLS and such worse, and finds them actually agitating, probably as he expects them to work better than they do which is hardly at all in opiate W/D... it's amazing what quantity of powerful mind disrupting substances you can throw at a person in w/d's with little to no effect!
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Old 03-05-2010, 19:07
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

My roommate (Girlie) says that she was taking 900mg occasionally for a while and got great effects from it, including relief of anxiety and, as polidelaiko said, she'd sometimes lay "in bed and [feel] very cozy, rubbing [her] feet with the sheets and the pillows."

However, since discontinuing Risperdal (risperidone), she says she's lost these effects, at a time when her anxiety is worse and she could really use them! She's gone up to doses as high as 2100mg, with no effects except, maybe, better sleep.

Any thoughts? Any ideas of something else she could do to regain that magic? She's also on Celexa & methadone, has access to clonidine, and does NOT have access to Lyrica (or she'd have tried that already).

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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Swim was recently hospitalized in a behavioral place for suicide watch/detox following strange behavior that came from a bad mix of klonopin, a car accident and concussion , soma and hydrocodone. While detoxing he was put on 300 mg of neurontin(gabapentin). It definitely sedated him and stabilized his mood, but kind of had that weird autopilot feel to it that antidepressants often have. It did help his pain, which was 2 black eyes that he could barely open and a swollen head. The pain was about a 7/10 and the gabapentin def worked at relieving pain, especially when combined with tylenol.

Swim now has a bottle of 50 600 mg pills and is going to experiment with some recreational doses, which he will post about later
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Old 21-05-2010, 21:44
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Swim has been trying different recreational doses from 1200-6000 mg, staggered and all in one doses, with no avail. He is a 155 pound male who eats healthy and doesnt do many other psychoactive drugs anymore, and therefore shouldnt have his old high tolerances to any drugs that could affect this one. He feels nothing but a little more anxious and more difficulty sleeping. He would write a more detailed trip report but theres just nothing to say. It's frustarating because he reads good reports and has over 100 pills of 600 mg gabapentin and has no use for them personally so far.

Swim has heard of rapid tolerance to it, but the past few days before he started recreational use he was only taking it as directed by his doc.

It also no longer even helps his pain which is still disabilitating, but with swims history and young age all he gets is non narcotic shit like gabapentin and gets to tough it out.

Curiously Kailey_elise swim is also prescribed risperdal (and celexa, though swim doesnt think thats whats affecting the effects) like swiys roommate. He takes the risperdal spottily because it also doesnt do much for him, and starting tonight is not taking it anymore, screw what the psych says lol. He will see if discontinuing risperdal has any effect on the gabapentin, though theres not much effect to lose it seems.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM got hold of some Gabapentin back in the day and recreationally, he found it to be a great high in large doses.

SWIM then fell in love with Pregabalin which to him was like enhanced Gabapentin, and he had some truly magical experiences with low doses. A very welcome plus for him was some pain relief.

However, SWIM would strongly recommend against them for long term usage. He had the worst withdrawal experience of his life when he couldn't get any more of it and trust SWIM, it was hellish. He wouldn't wish that on his worst enemy.

In therapeutical doses, SWIM thinks these are both great drugs though.

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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Swim feels that Gabapentin has a recreational value to it, but one must be patient and try not to expect anything so Swiy will be able to feel the effects much better.

When Swim takes Gabapentin for recreation, he usually takes a dosage of 2,500+mg, and will chill at Swim's house so that the relaxing effects feel better. Sometimes Swim will go overboard and take dosages of 7,000+mg - which makes swim feel absolutely fantastic.

Swim really doesn't understand why people don't respect Gabapentin... It definitely has some amazing, and very unique, effects to it that Swim has never felt from any other drug Swim has taken.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM was prescribed 900mg of gabapentin a day. One night SWIM took 11 or 12 capsules (3300-3600mg's) and SWIM got a very euphoric high. It was a opiate type feeling for SWIM not a benzo like feeling at all! For SWIM it was alot better than ANY benzo he tried. SWIM can describe the high as potently anxiolytic, warm, relaxed but stimulated..it feels like the same kind of stimulation as hydromorphone or Oxycodone gives SWIM...full of energy but not anxious or jittery kind of up feeling. It was a very memorable experience for SWIM and he's off the gabapentin now but SWIM would love to try a high dose of this stuff again.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

How funny that so many have overall negative reviews for Gabapentin.

My pet ferret's drug of choice is normally tramadol, but she got prescribed this for nerve pain in the elbow and now adds Gabapentin to one of her favorite drugs. She agrees it seems to take an incredibly long time to reach its full effects, lke 3-4 hours. But then she feels light, slightly euphoric and happily relaxed. It's a very mellow high that allows her to still move about normally and be productive. She finds higher dosages ( above 1000 ) don't seem to add much, as the body can only absorb so much of this drug. She can still feel good on 300-600 mg and tolerance does not seem to build quickly at all.

However, my pet ferret agrees this high is very subtle compared to most opiate or narcotic drugs, especially oxycontin and hydrocodone. This may explain why so many find it of limited recreational value. But to each his own. She prefers the more mellow highs, compared to the stronger ones.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

My pet ferret was just prescribed this drug for nerve pain due to arthritis. It's comparable to being slightly drunk- the same social inhibition and- overall - mild high. In this respect, she much prefers Gabapentin to real alcohol. It's a clean high with no 'hangover' at all.

However, as mentioned by others, taking mega-doses over 2000 mg really doesn't increase its' recreational value. You'll probably just go to sleep. She noticed people who claim visuals and other major psychoactive effects were combining Gabapentin with other drugs. By itself, Gabapentin does not have much psychedelic effect. Of course there may be exceptions for some people.

The biggest advice my pet ferret can give is to be patient with Gabapentin. It's notorious for 'creeping up on you' so to speak. It can take a full 2-3 hours to feel its' full effect. Often, it will hit you like a ton of bricks, all at once. Just when you thought it wasn't working.

People always wait a half hour, feel nothing, then pop another 10 pills. Big mistake. While it's not likely to kill you in high dosages, my ferret advises people may be passing up a good, mild high while gobbling pills unnecessarily -and end up just really tired or agitated instead.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

The first time I took it, it felt like a couple of beers but since then nothing. Increasing the dose simply leads to nausea & lethargy.

SWIM thinks the only use for this stuff is in making a GHB analog (replace the -NH2 with an -OH).
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

It is not my intention to bumb an old Neurontin post, but my cat did want to share his knowledge and method of taking gabapentin.

As it has been mention by other users, the body has a difficult time absorbing the gabapentin. It requires the right stomach conditions for oral use, in order to make it more bio-available. my cat recommends eating a meal 30 minutes before dosing, and drinking acidic cola (like coke or pepsi) during the onset period.

As for the dose itself, its tricky too. as other users have stated there is an inverse relationship between the dose of gabapentin and its bioavailability. The more you take at once, the less will be absorbed overall. To help avoid this problem, my cat recommends staggering your dose.

For example, you could start with about 600mg. 30 minutes to 1 hour later, take another 300mg. then wait another 30 minutes to 1 hour to take yet another 300mg. and continue this pattern until you reach your preferred state, or your preferred dose. Seeing as gabapentin is safe in large amounts (as far as overdose goes), my cat usually stops when he's reached 2400-3000mg.

This will help avoid the decrease in bioavailability when more is taken.

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Onset period usually takes about 1 to 2 hours. Sometimes longer. So, if you follow my cat's method above, dont worry if your not feeling it yet, keep following the pattern until about the three or four hour mark. By then you should know if its working.

In addition to eating a meal before dosing, my cat recommends eating a small snack every time you take more, or every other time. This will increase bioavailability
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Also regarding the inverse relationship of bioavailablity to dose taken, the exact figures are: Bioavailability of gabapentin is approximately 60%, 47%,
34%, 33%, and 27% following 900, 1200, 2400, 3600, and 4800 mg/day
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Also regarding the inverse relationship of bioavailablity to dose taken, the exact figures are: Bioavailability of gabapentin is approximately 60%, 47%,
34%, 33%, and 27% following 900, 1200, 2400, 3600, and 4800 mg/day
Look my Hamster is a bit of a thicky, what does this mean in thicky-Hamster terms exactly?

Sorry guys

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