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Old 22-02-2010, 14:09
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Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Alcohol, benzodiazepines and crack. The alcohol makes you act like a psycho, the benzos blunt your affect and the crack makes you think you are god.

Got anything worse?
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Old 22-02-2010, 14:32
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

DXM and meth. For days. The DXM will make you see things and the meth will give you enough paranoia to think those things are after you and the energy to chase them with a shotgun. SWIM doesn't know this from personal experience, however this just doesn't sound safe at all.

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Old 22-02-2010, 14:53
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Gotta admit AFOAF a bit chicken of DXM and meth. Did some OTC DXM and it did nothing, then chickened out after reading trip reports. The only meth AFOAF came across is what is contained within UK MDMA pills (it's a common, but minor, presence). AFOAF would try it once but is not a friend of stims and won't be experimenting with them much further in future. AFOAF don't know how you guys handle the paranoia
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Old 22-02-2010, 15:31
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

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Gotta admit AFOAF a bit chicken of DXM and meth. Did some OTC DXM and it did nothing, then chickened out after reading trip reports. The only meth AFOAF came across is what is contained within UK MDMA pills (it's a common, but minor, presence). AFOAF would try it once but is not a friend of stims and won't be experimenting with them much further in future. AFOAF don't know how you guys handle the paranoia

SWIM has never done meth or DXM, she just thinks that would be the most dangerous combination ever. SWIM remembers it because she had a friend who wanted to actually try making meth and putting DXM in it. That friend thought it would be a really, really good seller and make him rich. SWIM thinks he's an idiot. SWIM also knows he's never made either meth or DXM and he had only read how to make both on the internet. Luckily that friend is a bit too lazy to actually try to make either. No telling how that would turn out.

OOTC; SWIM also thinks that any kind of drug that causes hallucinations along with any kind of drug that causes paranoia might be pretty dangerous for others to be around. Not just the two she mentioned.

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Alcohol, benzodiazepines and crack. The alcohol makes you act like a psycho, the benzos blunt your affect and the crack makes you think you are god.

Got anything worse?
Alcohol and benzos together normally make a person pretty drunk/sleepy/wasted etc pretty fast. SWIM thinks the crack might keep one awake for a while, but depending on the amount of booze and benzos it would be hard pressed to keep one up too long.

Side note; alcohol and benzos is a very dangerous combination in and of themselves, and a quick way to OD. SWIM has mixed them before, but only small amounts. A pharmacist once told SWIM "You can take a bucket load of valium and not die, but if you take a few valium and drink a lot with it, there's a good chance you won't see tomorrow. It's like that with most benzos. They are hard to OD on by themselves, but when you add booze into the mix, it becomes very easy and very dangerous".

SWIM can't say that what the pharmacist said is gospel, but she tries to be careful.

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Old 22-02-2010, 15:53
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

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DXM and meth. For days. The DXM will make you see things and the meth will give you enough paranoia to think those things are after you and the energy to chase them with a shotgun.
I feel it prudent to point out that this would very likely be a fatal combination. DXM should never combined with amphetamines due to the likelihood of hypertensive crises and/or serotonin syndrome.

So not only a danger to society but to individual users too!
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Old 22-02-2010, 16:04
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Kids* + 'Insert drug here' = Dangerous Combination

There are reasons that there are age restrictions on most drugs (legal or otherwise) and that is because when mixed with rampant hormones and a youthful disregard for pretty much everything you end up with a lethal combination.

Swim is also very cautious around anyone who has taken hallucinogenic drugs after consuming a lot of Alcohol.


*Kids can be substituted with 'The Village Idiot'
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Old 22-02-2010, 23:26
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

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DXM and meth. For days. The DXM will make you see things and the meth will give you enough paranoia to think those things are after you and the energy to chase them with a shotgun.
DXM doesn't normally cause very realistic hallucinations. SWIY might be thinking of Diphenhydramine, an antihistamine present in Benadryl which, at high doses acts as a deliriant, and creates powerfully realistic hallucinations (Open-eye hallucinations of people in SWIY's house, spiders/insects, voices) that SWIMmers are unable to differentiate from reality. In many SWIMmers it can also cause paranoia, making it twice as horrifying.

DXM, however, can create CEV's at moderate/high doses, and OEV's at very high doses. (900mg-1200mg+). These visuals are usually while the SWIMmer is inert, however. During hardcore DXM trips most people are unable/have no willingness to move. Don't know how it would be on meth though... SWIM doesn't intend to find out.

SWIM doesn't recommend either of the above mentioned unless SWIMmers have nothing to lose or are already clinically insane.

As for the question, I think Alcohol + nearly any drug can be hazardous if precautions aren't made. SWIM has never tried MDMA, but as he has heard it can cause dehydration, he is assuming it would not be wise to take it with a lot of alcohol, which can also dehydrate SWIMmers. This is probably even more dangerous at raves/clubs where SWIMmers are constantly dancing and active.



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Kids* + 'Insert drug here' = Dangerous Combination
I'll second that, even though SWIM is but a child himself.
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Old 22-02-2010, 23:34
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

MDMA. It brings out the good in people: empathy, honesty, love, compassion and altruism, which are the anti-thesis of everything that all human societies have stood for.

The typical psychedelics are also somewhat dangerous to established order for similar reasons.

I am aware that other drugs such as alcohol and opiates are dangerous to others, but I do not believe they pose a risk to society.
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Old 24-02-2010, 19:31
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Alcohol and benzos don't make AFOAF drowsy, at least not until they pass out... on the contrary, they make AFOAF a very strange character who will roam tens of miles on foot without any purpose and do pretty much anything that comes into their head, with zero regard to the consequences, sanity of, or moral issues surrounding those thoughts. AFOAF is very lucky to have come away from those experiences a free person, for which they have the discretion of more than one police officer to thank, albeit with a few sanctioned beatings (they can remember those "he will remember this in the morning" comments, you were right, and the injuries still hurt), and wouldn't do again unless bribed with 5 figure sums of money, and even then quite possibly not.

Apart from being dangerous, and possibly lethal to whoever took them, that combination has got a lot of people AFOAF know into very serious trouble. In that FOAF's opinion, it's roughly equal in danger to a crackhead.

And adding crack... it's a real bad idea. No further comment on that.

Oh and if some drug policy maker for some reason reads this, benzo's on their own are generally not bad for behaviour, except with sociopaths, who suddenly think they can get away with more than usual, and in AFOAF experience, often won't take them again when they sober up and realise how much of their character showed. It's just that they loosen the dangerous alcohol mindset further by basically deleting anxiety (which alcohol relaxed already), or even second guessing.

And for the record, those beatings were exactly the right thing to do, and AFOAF can't remember what you looked like anyway.

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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

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MDMA. It brings out the good in people: empathy, honesty, love, compassion and altruism, which are the anti-thesis of everything that all human societies have stood for.

The typical psychedelics are also somewhat dangerous to established order for similar reasons.

I am aware that other drugs such as alcohol and opiates are dangerous to others, but I do not believe they pose a risk to society.
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Old 24-02-2010, 22:13
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Alcohol blatantly does pose a risk to society. If that risk should be controlled by banning it? No. If people loved their society, there'd be a lot less alcohol problems.

Why don't they love society? That's a question for bigger fish to answer, AFOAF doesn't think they will recognise how important it is though.

Agree with psychedelics comment, but the order is either sensible and therefore can easily withstand affronts from the crazies, or it is broken and those who see it should be courted not ostracised, because they have the answer.

Opiates agree with, there's nothing violent about how you feel with opiates, in fact there is no change in mind because it makes you happy with the status quo. Surprised they didn't jump on it.

Gotta say though alcohol really is dangerous to society. I don't think it should be banned, but there are lessons to be learned from the loosened minds as well as situations to be controlled.

And MDMA should be legalized immediately, the fact it's illegal is an affront to logic as well as personal freedom.

I remember some clever historical figure said it's better to be feared than loved. Better to be feared AND loved. Someone missed the boat there.

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Old 25-02-2010, 00:12
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

SWIM can be a real butt on opiates when something aggrivates her, but usually she's nice and happy. She just thought she should point out that they do sometimes have that effect.

On a side note about legality of drugs; SWIM never understood how taking completely legal substances and combining them or extracting them, or any of that kind of thing could make a substance that is illegal. Methamphetamine springs to mind for one. How in the world do they logically decide that taking all those legal items and cooking it up in such a way as to make it produce another effect should be illegal? SWIM would think that the logical thing to do would be to make the Sudafed (pseudoephedrine) a prescription only drug, not that she's advocating that. She also doesn't understand how DXM is illegal when that is simply extracting the same existing substance from cough medicine.
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Old 25-02-2010, 00:13
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Benzos and alcohol always seem to get people into lots of trouble. SWIM once came around after a night on bromazepam, alcohol and cocaine to find a half kilo of weed under his bed with no idea who he got it from, whether it was paid for and even whether it was his.

Turns out the weed was his but not paid for. It was given on two week tick. Now, SWIM hates owing money to these people so owing for the weed and a half ounce of coke was not fun! SWIM tends to get very generous with coke too, so he probably gave away a few hundred Euros worth. Stupid stupid SWIM!

Bromazepam seems to even worse than the other benzos to mix with ethanol, maybe because of its more stimulating and less sedating properties. Beware!

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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Abrad is probably telling the truth. I don't know a thing about him, and he's probably telling the truth. Enough said.
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Re: Most dangerous (to society) combination?

Alcohol makes swim just want to "fuck with shit", he considers himself a smart guy, but when drunk he just likes to steal and break. After a new years party involving one fight(although nothing serious came of it, it was with his singer and they're totally fine friends), two stolen lighters, a stolen civic(again one of swim's forgiving friends he was messing with) and an odd sleeping arrangement he decided to stop drinking.

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