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Old 22-09-2008, 14:40
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Found Atropine Ampoules...

Swim has just endeavored a large amount of Atropine in IV/IM Inject able Ampoules...

Does anyone have any information on how much "PURE" atropine should be taken to expereince unusual effects?

Swim is guessing that there is little chance of OD since they are medically measured ammounts of Atropine in each ampoule.


Can anyone give Swim some pointers or advice? Even tell swim if you think its a bad idea, because Swim still isn't sure he will try it.
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Old 22-09-2008, 15:49
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

Unless you are suffering from insecticide-poisoning with a cholinesterase-inhibitor, one would not find any beneficial effects in the administration of atropine. Unless having one's mouth feel as dry as the Sahara Desert, eyes unable to focus and pupils widely dilated, and feeling jangled and sick like too much coffee causes is SWIM's idea of high-times, atropine is best left alone.
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Old 22-09-2008, 15:56
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

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Unless you are suffering from insecticide-poisoning with a cholinesterase-inhibitor, one would not find any beneficial effects in the administration of atropine. Unless having one's mouth feel as dry as the Sahara Desert, eyes unable to focus and pupils widely dilated, and feeling jangled and sick like too much coffee causes is SWIM's idea of high-times, atropine is best left alone.
Fair point, thank you for the input.

Anyone else got an opnion?
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Old 22-09-2008, 22:18
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

He's right, it's not worth touching, unless you happen to be a sado drug user.
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Old 23-09-2008, 00:58
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

swim has heard not worth taking to not a pleasent exsperiance by all acounts afoaf injested some by acident and was hospitalised for a week.
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Old 23-09-2008, 01:42
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

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Fair point, thank you for the input.

Anyone else got an opnion?
I second Panthers opinion, though there are more serious side effects than the ones panthers lists. This forum is full of examples...
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

Gotta be one of the most unpleasant ideas nobody's heard this week that doesnt concern Sarah Palin.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:03
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

Swim really wanted to get high tonight.

But after reading the above. Swim thinks he might pass

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SWIM likes SWIY's ability to avoid a foolish mistake. Other people ask and do it anyway even after they read the dangers. Deliriants are NOT to be taken lightly.
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

Atropine is one of the least desirable chemicals produced by plants of the nightshade family. There is absolutely ZERO recreational value to it. For as unpleasant as scopalomine is, it has at least been able to produce disturbing visuals and pseudo-euphoric effects (along with all of the other nasty effects).

Atropine is occasionally used by professional doctors to cure poison - paradoxically, it is used frequently by non-professionals to poison themselves.

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Dead-bang correct. Pure atropine has zero recreational effect and is very likely to cause death above a certain threshold.
this is not only wrong, it promotes dangerous behaviour
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

This is perhaps a little misleading. It's available in other threads round here but I feel compelled to mention it again under this;
Pure scopolamine will not cause visuals at any dose that's not exceedingly dangerous!

Even were some individual to take a suitably high dose the memory impairment would be so significant as to pretty well discount any possibility of having an experience to think back upon. Assuming, of course, said person made it through mentally and physically intact (neither of which would be a given!).

SWIM has no experience of pure atropine, so is clueless as to what it would be like, subjectively. She assumed that higher atropine levels in belladonna were responsible for the slightly stimulant bent to the experience she had with seeds, but that was pure guesswork. She couldn't even guarantee belladonna has relatively higher atropine content in the first place.
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:48
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

Atropine and hyoscyamine have less detrimental effects on the mind. They are mentally safer. They are considered stimulants in most text books, while scopolamine is a sedative. Scopolamine is notorious for causing short term memory loss. It can be so bad that you cannot even remember who you are, where you are, what you're doing, etc. Scopolamine causes delirium at lower doses than the other two.

From what I've heard, hyoscyamine is actually preferred over scopolamine. It's said to cause hallucinations without as much mind fuck as scopolamine. But I don't know how true that is.

SWIM uses both Datura inoxia (contains mostly scopolamine) and Datura stramonium seeds (contains mostly hyoscyamine) and can tell you that hyoscyamine is clearly a stimulant and scopolamine is clearly a sedative. Hyoscyamine seems to have more effects on the body, and doesn't hit the mind so hard as scopolamine can.

SWIM has never used hallucinogenic doses of either though, and never wants to. That's extremely dangerous, requiring a near fatal dose. SWIM uses them in doses of less than 10 seeds (usually 3-5 seeds) in a day as potentiaters of other psychoactives and as anti-nausea medicines.

Scopolamine is great for treating motions sickness. SWIM found 5 seeds could eliminate the nausea caused by vertigo (but doesn't stop the vertigo). It's a great medicine for that. Better than anything else. It's so effective that NASA uses it for motion sickness.

These alkaloids are very useful in small doses. Small non-hallucinogenic safe doses of hyoscyamine can greatly potentiate the effects of cannabis, LSD, mescaline, and many others, and can also prevent the nausea caused by some psychedelics.

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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

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Hyoscyamine seems to have more effects on the body, and doesn't hit the mind so hard as scopolamine can.
SWIM can attest to, at least, the latter part of this. Scopolamine causes a phenomenal degree of anterograde amnesia, aswell as making one feel "stupid" or "slow". That is to say, aswell as suffering obvious mental/intellectual impairment, one is less able to commit memories while under the effect of the toxin.

On the whole, SWIM would reiterate, pure scopolamine lacks almost all the "desirable" effects of the solanaceous plants, while still comprising all the body-load.

As to the theory that Hyoscyamine has a heavier body-load, SWIM could not attest for or against, having only experienced the more interesting tropane alkaloids through imbibing, or smoking, plant matter.
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Re: Found Atropine Ampoules...

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If you had read my post a little more closely, you'd notice that I promoted neither the use of atropine nor scopalomine. I described both of them as disturbing and nasty. If you were somehow taking my description of atropine as being a specific example of a substance that poisons people to mean that I think scopalomine is therefore NOT a poison nor as equally dangerous as any other tropane, then let me re-word my original point:

Tropane alkaloids are occasionally used by professional doctors to cure poison - paradoxically, they are used frequently by non-professionals to poison themselves. They are all dangerous and shouldn't be used by anyone!!

I hope that clears up any confusion. To think I was somehow promoting the use of scopalomine or any other substance found in datura (or any of the other nightshade plants), well that's just silly!

They are not fun. They are deadly. Don't do it!

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