Extraction - 1 hour simple LSA extraction = Pleasing Results!

[kritikal]

Swim very recently decided to do a rough extraction on some slightly aged HBWR. Results are excellent and the method is extremely easy. It was rather quick because only about twenty seeds were used but I'm sure only the preparation time would be changed if more were used. Swim cant see why Morning Glory cant be used for this method either.

Virtually only two chemicals are needed to obtain (Not including extraction material), and extremely easy to obtain. Firstly a miscible solvent. Swim used acetone because they had immediate access but also felt it could be used with the volatile nature as an advantage over others. Methanol or Ethanol also fall into the category so could also be used.
Next an acidic compound, Hydrochloric Acid was used for this. Any acid will do. You don't need much and could even use a few drops of lemon juice. Only other chemical needed is some good old H20.

Swim does not have a coffee grinder so pliers were used, not the best but did the job.
Got it to as fine as they could and it was then placed into a small (ashtray size) glass collection bowl.

A small amount of acetone was used to cover the fine chunks liberally. The seed was stirred and smashed, etc.. for about 15 minutes. This was poured into a coffee filter wet with acetone before the acetone was filtered through. Small amounts of acetone were poured into the glass bowl then through the filter twice after the immediate filtration. Swim kept the seed because there would still be some left in it because it was not as fine as one would tend to like, so if you have a good method of grinding the seed, Swim recommends just throwing it.

From here the Alkaloid containing Acetone was evaporated. Swim then poured a roughly .5 M HCl solution of about 10ml directly into the dish. This was mixed well and then placed in the freezer as fats were obviously present in the solution. When the fats had become more solid and not likely to go with the solution, Swim poured this into 10ml vial. 5ml was taken orally.

And that was that. 1&1/2hrs have has passed for swim and there has been absolutely no stomach pain, nausea or any irritation what so ever. Swim can move and do tasks. So good, Swim does not need to lay there holding onto his stomach to get all he can before vomiting. Come up is very smooth unlike raw seed or water extraction. There is certainly a quicker onset being about +40min from ingestion from Swims recording. Gradual from here but always is. From this procedure Swim would say he has taken about 8 seeds worth of alkaloids from 5ml.

There is no anxiety and Swim is ready to enjoy and not fear. It is like all that is terrible about these seeds is gone. When Swim usually has HBWR they feel like they are somewhat poisoned throughout the trip. Probably because Swim is.

Well Swim no longer wants to give me information because Swim wants to go and enjoy themselves but felt like they had to share this because they want people to enjoy the full and true experience with ease so more can enjoy so please, Enjoy!

[Sobercolober]

If SWIM gets this right you suggest putting Hydrochloric acid in the dish?

This was mixed well and then placed in the freezer as fats were obviously present in the solution. When the fats had become more solid and not likely to go with the solution, Swim poured this into 10ml vial. 5ml was taken orally.

SWIM don't want to detract from your good experience but this step is unclear
and whilst SWIM is not foolish enough to use Hydrochloric acid, SWIY might be.
(in absence of a step/clarification of this point, removal?, evaporation ???????) If you plan following this method..You should definitely use Lemon juice, until this has been cleared up IMO.

SWIY obviously DID NOT drink Hydrochloric acid so what happens or what do you do to it?

thanks

[kritikal]

Originally Posted by Sobercolober

If SWIM gets this right you suggest putting Hydrochloric acid in the dish?



SWIM don't want to detract from your good experience but this step is unclear
and whilst SWIM is not foolish enough to use Hydrochloric acid, SWIY might be.
(in absence of a step/clarification of this point, removal?, evaporation ???????) If you plan following this method..You should definitely use Lemon juice, until this has been cleared up IMO.

SWIY obviously DID NOT drink Hydrochloric acid so what happens or what do you do to it?

thanks

Thanks for bringing this up. I believe safety is the up most priority with any substance and why such forums have there place. As I'm sure you can appreciate Swim was not the most easiest to get exact information from and thus i should have posted this when they were more coherent.

Firstly if you are not comfortable with using Hydrochloric Acid, DO NOT use it. There are plenty of other acids available that are just as usable and pose much less of a threat, and as such you should only use what you feel safe with.

HCl (Hydrochloric Acid), was used but it was at a large dilution so did not pose a threat. I managed to get a pH reading and it was around 6 this is less acidic than a lemon.

HCl can be extremely dangerous, in concentrated form it is highly acidic and thus will cause corrosive burns. If you don't know how much you should use then you should not use it.

I hope this clarifies the situation.

[Dr. Saren]

Did swim to anything to the husk prior to crushing?

Hydro acid is fine just as long as one has it diluted enough. Personally SWIY wouldn't.

[Not Evan]

Evan has had good luck with a simple 30 minute water + lime juice extraction with no nausea or other side effects. He is interested in knowing what the exact purpose of the acetone is, and how much (if any) LSA is lost due to the use of it.