Are Drugs part of the "New World Order"?

[Kamuix]

When it comes to the NWO all i can do it hope for the best and hope that people will wake up. Possibly open there minds but who does that nowadays?

There was one forum I posted poll on "Global warming: Real or Fraud?" Since there was a big exposure of emails recently (Climate-Gate) And from my point of view more then enough information to get people convinced that it's a fraud, I decided i'd try and convince people on the forum. I know i got somewhere. But only so far.. people are SOOO ignorant and what appears to be narrow minded but.. i don't know

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Kamuix

When it comes to the NWO all i can do it hope for the best and hope that people will wake up. Possibly open there minds but who does that nowadays?

There was one forum I posted poll on "Global warming: Real or Fraud?" Since there was a big exposure of emails recently (Climate-Gate) And from my point of view more then enough information to get people convinced that it's a fraud, I decided i'd try and convince people on the forum. I know i got somewhere. But only so far.. people are SOOO ignorant and what appears to be narrow minded but.. i don't know

Ha, you changed your post since last night!

All I'm saying is that I think it's very naive to imagine that war, poverty and oppression would all cease if only people took enough acid. I mean, look at the Aztecs - they had a huge empire ruled by a totalitarian monarchy/theocracy, they warred with their neighbours all the time and they practised human sacrifice, often killing thousands of prisoners in a single day. And they used mushrooms, peyote, Morning Glory, all kinds of crazy shit.

In fact several civilisations in ancient America are thought to have used psychedelics to indoctrinate and brainwash the populace in religious ceremonies as a way of reinforcing and maintaining the power of the priestly elite - and these are the very drugs that 'free the mind'! Context is everything, so it's not so totally unbelievable that the guy who posted above^^ maybe did start to get more politically active or aware after switching from psychedelics to heroin.

[Coconut]

Context is everything. Say, for example, you have a soldier in the United States army who has killed a few people as part of an occupation. Deep down, he knows it's wrong, but he keeps doing it for various reasons, including money, education and so on. Now imagine that this soldier is given a 300 to 400 microgramme dose of LSD, and he experiences a trip during which his his cognitive dissonance and brainwashing break down, and he realises the horrors of what he has done. In my opinion, this is a likely outcome.

This might not be the outcome for others, depending on what's actually buried in their unconscious mind. Some people without suppressed remorse may develop it during the trip (as a result of seeing things from different angles), but it may not affect others at all.

I'm waffling. I'm exhausted.

[Fujo]

SWIM thinks its interesting how when people hear the word drug[s] that the automatic assumption is that it refers to illegal substances. One of [if not THE] biggest industries in the world is the pharmaceutical industry. The amount of money involved is astronomical. There are million of legal drugs that are consumed daily by the masses. SWIM doesn't know if it has occured to anyone else but is this not the form of control that was asked about.

SWIM don't know the number of people in the world who are qualified to examine and determine the properties of a pill [for example] and how it effects people but SWIM is pretty sure that it doesn't even come close to a few percent when compared to the amount of people who swallow pills that they dont actually know what is in them or what they do. They just take them because they were told to by their doctor. Now SWIM is not saying that doctors are out to harm their patients but do they test every single tablet they prescribe? No they don't even test one.

It is not a huge leap to consider the possibility of something being put into a pill that could alter a person's perception or perhaps dumb them down - the possibilities are endless. SWIM firmly believes that medical technology is far more advanced than what is reported i.e. that cures have been invented but left on the shelf till that company had made enough profit from it's existing product. SWIM knows that this is entering the realm of conspiracy theory but SWIM thinks that people have a negative attitude towards "conspiracy theorists" because they have been influenced by the powers that be.

Logically speaking, if someone threatens your power are you not going to try and stop them? An example would be the christen church when they put Galileo under house arrested for opposing their opinions. Surely if they believed that he was wrong then it didn't matter what he said? But this is a common tool of the powers that be in suppressing the opposition. Perception is reality and if they can convince the sheep that black is white then black is white.

Another theory that SWIM believes is not outside the realms of possibility is nanotechnology could be used to place something like an RFID chip into our bodies without our knowledge or consent. What is something that every child in the "first" world has done soon after they are born? A heel prick. if a chip were inserted when doing this [and the nurse/person who is doing it wouldn't necessarily know] then it wouldn't take long before they have the new genration chipped.

This could then be turned on at a later stage and used to control the masses. SWIM believes it is a goal of NWO to eliminate money in it current form and introduce a system of credits that are stored, for example, on a chip in your body. So combine this with the drugs they'll used to control people's minds and bodies and they have created a world of slaves that dont even know they are slaves.

Lets say someone decides they dont want to be part of this regime. Click. That was the button pressed to turn off their credit account. How do you buy food or any of life's necessities with no credits?

SWIM thinks that illegal drugs are also part of this because SWIM has a theory. Bear with SWIM. There are [loosely] three classes. The upper, middle and lower. SWIM believes that the middle class are there to support the upper class and the lower class are there to scare the middle class and make sure they continue to support the upper class. SWIM know this is simplified but SWIM would end up talking for days otherwise. With this in mind SWIM believes that NWO wants a small percentage of population to take illegal drugs and be freethinkers etc because then the create propaganda to descredit these people and then use them to scare the rest of population into doing what they want.

SWIM guesses that this has been a long way of saying yes its completely possible and likely that drugs, both legal and illegal, are and will be a main tool in the NWO's quest for the domination of the world.

SWIM knows that SWIM hasn't presented anything unique here but maybe it will make SWIY think about something they weren't aware of. SWIM hopes that they are wrong about this but fears they are not and this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks for reading and SWIM would love to hear SWIY's opinions!

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Fujo

SWIM thinks its interesting how when people hear the word drug[s] that the automatic assumption is that it refers to illegal substances. One of [if not THE] biggest industries in the world is the pharmaceutical industry. The amount of money involved is astronomical. There are million of legal drugs that are consumed daily by the masses. SWIM doesn't know if it has occured to anyone else but is this not the form of control that was asked about.

Surely is has 'occured to' anyone who isn't a complete idiot?

Sorry, I'll read the rest of your post in the morning. Just wanted to point out that yes, a lot of people are very concerned about the power of the pharma industry.

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There seem to be two main themes running through this thread: 1) the NWO wants us to take Bad Drugs (alcohol, Prozac, Xanax, hydrocodone, heroin, cocaine, meth) because they stop us thinking and make us into zombies; and it wants us NOT to take Good Drugs (weed, MDMA (on a good day), acid, mushrooms, salvia) because these open our minds and free us.

The fact that many of the Good Drugs are still legal, and that many of the Bad Drugs are either illegal or otherwise difficult to get hold of, doesn't really seem to be explained here.

Edit:

Now SWIM is not saying that doctors are out to harm their patients but do they test every single tablet they prescribe? No they don't even test one.

What the hell is this about? Do you think a doctor would ever have time to test every single pill he dished out? This is ludicrious. If a pill from Pfizer says it contains 5mg of Valium, then it contains 5mg of Valium. Valium is not ecstasy.

Edit edit: oh god I've just glanced over the rest of your post, it's the usualy Matrix-level conspiracy stuff. Fuck this, I'm going to bed.

[El Calico Loco]

Cally has seen psychedelic and dissociative drugs cure PTSD, BPD, and social anxiety. She has no doubt that they can improve people. She's not sure what they could do for that degenerate percentage of the population that preys on others, so widespread use will not make the world perfect...but perfect is the enemy of good, and she believes they could do a great deal of good in the hands of competent psychologists. She thinks many would awaken from the illusions that surround them every day.

But one has to have reason first. Imagination ungrounded by logic leads some to come down from trips believing some strange things. It would help many to have a sensible guide.


ECL

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Really, really love that last line - in fact I plan to steal it! :)

[Fujo]

Originally Posted by Routemaster Flash

Surely is has 'occured to' anyone who isn't a complete idiot?

It was a rhetorical question

Originally Posted by Routemaster Flash

The fact that many of the Good Drugs are still legal, and that many of the Bad Drugs are either illegal or otherwise difficult to get hold of, doesn't really seem to be explained here.

Elaborate your angle? SWIM is not sure exactly where SWIY coming from.

Originally Posted by Routemaster Flash

What the hell is this about? Do you think a doctor would ever have time to test every single pill he dished out? This is ludicrious. If a pill from Pfizer says it contains 5mg of Valium, then it contains 5mg of Valium. Valium is not ecstasy.

SWIM's point was that its impossible for all or any pills to be tested by doctors so they are taking someone else's word that they contain whatever ingredients they contain. Therefore its second hand information so its plausible that what they say is contained in the pill is not accurate. SWIY seem to have missed the point SWIM was trying to make.

If SWIY had read and not glanced SWIY would realise SWIM was offering a point of view for discussion. Obviously SWIY is so wise that SWIY can dismiss everyone's views but SWIY's own because SWIY knows best. SWIM is sorry for having presented an alternative viewpoint

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Fujo

SWIM's point was that its impossible for all or any pills to be tested by doctors so they are taking someone else's word that they contain whatever ingredients they contain. Therefore its second hand information so its plausible that what they say is contained in the pill is not accurate. SWIY seem to have missed the point SWIM was trying to make.

This POV, taken to an extreme, can lead nowhere but to crippling paranoia. I mean, I have to take the shop's word for it every time I buy a pint of milk that it contains only milk and not some cocktail of poisons and mind-control agents. The only alternative is not to buy milk - or, indeed, any food or drink whatsoever, and live only off what I can grow myself. Which is not really practical.

Drugs and medicines of all kinds are made to a very high standard of purity and there would be massive legal repercussions for any company producing medicines that contained stuff other that what they're meant to. That's not to say that it's necessarily a good idea for doctors to be dishing out sedatives, antidepressants, lithium, Ritalin or whatever willy-nilly, just that there is good reason to assume that those pills contain pretty much what they say they contain.

Originally Posted by Fujo

If SWIY had read and not glanced SWIY would realise SWIM was offering a point of view for discussion. Obviously SWIY is so wise that SWIY can dismiss everyone's views but SWIY's own because SWIY knows best. SWIM is sorry for having presented an alternative viewpoint

On the contrary, your 'alternative' viewpoint is all but gospel truth in many corners of the internet. In fact by the standards of this thread, I'm the dissenting voice.

[usedagain]

You are correct, Route, it is scarey. And I hate to break it to you, but you're not just buying milk. There is a documentary about how Fox news killed a big story about Bovine Growth Hormone in miilk (The World According to Monsanto) It can be found on YouTube:

"The Monsanto Company (NYSE: MON) is an American-based multinational agricultural biotechnology corporation. Their leading products are the Roundup herbicide, DEKALB and Agrow seed products, and biotechnology traits. Products have also included Agent Orange, the now ubiquitous PCBs, DDT, recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone and Aspartame. The company's profits for fiscal year 2007 are $1.06 billion. Monsanto has 17,500 employees [sourcewatch]. They are the world's largest prodcer of genetically modified seeds.

Monsanto sparked controversy nationwide with the introduction of Bovine somatotropin, abbreviated as rBST and commonly known as rBGH. It is a synthetic hormone that is injected into cows to increase milk production. IGF-1 is a hormone stimulated by rBGH in the cow's blood stream, which is directly responsible for the increase in milk production. IGF-1 is a natural hormone found in the milk of both humans and cows causing the quick growth of infants.

Though this IGF-1 occurs naturally in mothers' milk to be fed to their infants it produces adverse effects in non-infants, behaving as a cancer accelerator in adults and non-infants; this biologically active hormone is associated with breast cancer (correlation shown in premenopausal women),[25] prostate cancer,[26], lung cancer[27] and colon cancers[27][28]" - Wiki

I wasn't paranoid until I started learning about these things. It's one thing to be informed and paranoid but yet another to be uninformed and feel safe.

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BTW, has anyone seen Alex Jones new movie "The Fall of the Republic?" It's a good one. Let's see if I can find a link....

http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/mo...arack_h_obama/

I'm not against Obama, in fact, he is a relief, but I do not think he is in charge...

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Also, if you look up most of the new antidepressants, the descriptions say something like "mode of action not known." Docs get kick-backs for prescribing. The percentage of people taking these drugs is way too high, and, in my opinion, they are just a way to cover the real problem. After a while, many of the anti-depressants reverse on you, and you're back where you started. They also can cause suicidal tendencies and the medical industry does not know why this happens. They might know the ingredients, but they do not understand exactly how they work. I've taken Welbutrin on and off, but won't anymore.

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Fujo, I think you're dead on target.