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Exclamation (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

UK ban on GBL, Cannabanoids and other Legal Highs to go in effect December 23rd 2009

Draft Order laid before Parliament under section 2(5) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, for approval by resolution of each House of Parliament.

DRAFT STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS

2009 No.

DANGEROUS DRUGS

The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (Amendment) Order 2009

Made***
Coming into force 23rd December 2009

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the *** day of ***
Present,
The Queen’s Most Excellent Majesty in Council

In accordance with section 2(5) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971(1) a draft of this Order has been laid before Parliament after consultation with the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs and approved by a resolution of each House of Parliament.

Accordingly, Her Majesty, in exercise of the powers conferred upon Her by section 2(2) of that Act, is pleased, by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, to order as follows:

Citation and commencement
1. This Order may be cited as the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (Amendment) Order 2009 and shall come into force on 23rd December 2009.
Amendments to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971

2.—(1) Schedule 2 to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (which specifies the drugs which are subject to control under that Act) is amended as follows.
(2) In Part 2 (Class B drugs)—
(a)after paragraph 1(b), insert—
“(c)
  • [2,3–Dihydro–5–methyl–3–(4–morpholinylmethyl)pyrrol o[1, 2, 3–de]–1,4–benzoxazin–6–yl]–1–naphthalenylmethanone.3–Dimethylheptyl–11–hydro xyhexahydrocannabinol.
  • [9–Hydroxy–6–methyl–3–[5–phenylpentan–2–yl] oxy–5, 6, 6a, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10a–octahydrophenanthridin–1–yl] acetate.
  • 9-(Hydroxymethyl)–6, 6–dimethyl–3–(2–methyloctan–2–yl)–6a, 7, 10, 10a–tetrahydrobenzo[c]chromen–1–ol.Nabilone.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 3–(1–naphthoyl)indole or 1H–indol–3–yl–(1–naphthyl)methane by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.Any compound structurally derived from 3–(1–naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 1–(1–naphthylmethyl)indene by substitution at the 3–position of the indene ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 3–phenylacetylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring with alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the phenyl ring to any extent.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 2–(3–hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol by substitution at the 5–position of the phenolic ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.”;

(b)in paragraph 2A, after “derivative” insert “or of a substance for the time being specified in paragraph 1(c) of this Part of this Schedule.”.

(3) In Part 3 (Class C drugs)—

(a)in paragraph 1(a), after “Flurazepam”, insert “Gamma–butyrolactone”;

(b)in paragraph 1(b)—

(i)before “4–Androstene–3,17–dione”, insert—“5α–Androstane–3,17–diol.Androst-4-ene-3,17-diol.1–Androstenediol.1–Androstenedione”;
(ii)after “4–Androstene–3,17–dione”, insert “5–Androstenedione.”;
(iii)after “Boldenone.”, insert “Boldione.”;
(iv)after “Bolmantalate.”, insert “1,4–Butanediol.”;
(v)after “Clostebol.”, insert—“Danazol.Desoxymethyltestosterone”;
(vi)after “Furazabol.”, insert—“Gestrinone.3–Hydroxy–5α–androstan–17–one.” ;
(vii)after “Nandrolone.”, insert “19–Norandrostenedione.”;
(viii)after “19–Nor–5–Androstene–3,17–diol”, insert “19–Norandrosterone.”;
(ix)after “Norethandrolone.”, insert—“19–Noretiocholanolone.Oripavine.”;
(x)after “Propetandrol.”, insert “Prostanozol.”;
(xi)after “Testosterone.”, insert “Tetrahydrogestrinone.”;
(c)after paragraph 1(c), insert—
“(ca)1–benzylpiperazine or any compound structurally derived from 1–benzylpiperazine or 1–phenylpiperazine by modification in any of the following ways—
(i)by substitution at the second nitrogen atom of the piperazine ring with alkyl, benzyl, haloalkyl or phenyl groups;
(ii)by substitution in the aromatic ring to any extent with alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy, halide or haloalkyl groups.”;
(d)in paragraph 1(e), after “Somatropin.”, insert “Zeranol.” and “Zilpaterol.”.

Judith SimpsonClerk of the Privy Council
(1)1971 (c. 38). Schedule 2 has been amended by section 21 of the Drugs Act 2005 (c. 17) and S.I. 1973/771, 1975/421, 1977/1243, 1979/299, 1983/765, 1984/859, 1985/1995, 1986/2230, 1989/1340, 1990/2589, 1995/1966, 1996/1300, 1998/750, 2001/3932, 2003/1243, 2003/3201, 2005/3178, 2006/3331 and 2008/3130. Back [1]

EXPLANATORY NOTE
(This note is not part of the Order)

This Order adds synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists to Part 2 of Schedule 2 to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (“the Act”) which specifies drugs which are subject to control as Class B drugs under the Act.

In addition, the Order adds Gamma-butyrolactone (GBL), 1,4–butanediol (1,4–BD), 15 anabolic steroids, two non-steroidal agents, Oripavine, 1–benzylpiperazine (BZP) and a group of substituted piperazines to Part 3 of Schedule 2 to the Act which specifies drugs which are subject to control as Class C drugs under the Act.


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I will get the original document added to the archives

I will try and get this cleaned up in a bit- original formatting is a pain and am in a hurry atm- wanted to get this posted though...

Edit #1 added pdf docment to Document archive

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Re: DEC 23rd- UK Ban on GBL, Cannabanoids,other legal highs

at least it looks like there leaving the bk's alone for the moment. swim could not care about the piperazines as they just seam hiddious from what swim has read, who wants to take cattle worming agents. also maybe the mdma situwation in europe may now improve. as there now better off making the real thing if both are illegal, rather than passing of a load of bunk piperazines.
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Re: DEC 23rd- UK Ban on GBL, Cannabanoids,other legal highs

Thanks a lot for giving us all a heads up , properly wouldn't have found this out otherwise. I dont think any of these substances listed are going to affect SWIM but he still printed out a copy for use elsewhere. Having a quick look through the list just now and couldn't see any mention of pure salvinorin A or any compounds from ethnobotanicals.
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Re: DEC 23rd- UK Ban on GBL, Cannabanoids,other legal highs

Thats most cannabinoids currently about, SWIY know of anything missed?

bad news indeed, time to stockup before xmas!!
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They forgot one GHB precursors, no?
2(3H)-Furanone di-hydro, less popular. For the moment.
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Could any resident chemists/general drug geeks simplify or summarise this for simpletons like my pet ghost, please?
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Isn't butan-1,4-diol a useful solvent? Will this be unavailable completely?
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Could any resident chemists/general drug geeks simplify or summarise this for simpletons like my pet ghost, please?
Win55212-2; am4056; Levonantradol (CP 50,556-1); HU 210; All the JWH compound and some other cannabinoïd.

GBL.

Some steroid/precursor of testosterone (5–Androstenedione, boldione, Danazol, Desoxymethyltestosterone, gestrinone, 19–Norandrostenedione, Oripavine, Oripavine, Tetrahydrogestrinone etc...)

1,4BDO

BZP and analog.

Oestrogens anabolic zeranol.

β2-adrenergic agonist Zilpaterol.

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Re: DEC 23rd- UK Ban on GBL, Cannabanoids,other legal highs

Swim thinks that this highlights the stupidity of our drug laws. Something becomes illegal, or in some cases (GBL) restricted to registered companies and so those wishing to stay on the right side of the law switch to something else untill that is inevitably banned as well!
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Isn't butan-1,4-diol a useful solvent? Will this be unavailable completely?
Some sites are already asking to show you are not buying for personal by proving you are part of a business, and ask for appropriate proof
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What about pFPP and TMFPP?

Presumably MBZP is included in that.
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Re: DEC 23rd- UK Ban on GBL, Cannabanoids,other legal highs

According to the home office it is banning BZP (Benzylpiperazine) and related piperazines. The ACMD report with recommendations that was submitted to home office in 2008 mentions pFPP and TMFPP. You can obtain the report at the home offices website in publications section..

It is possible to get the same reports for cannabinoids and GBL.

Here is the info off the home offices news and events page:

Government to ban harmful ‘legal highs’

25 August 2009
Man-made chemicals which are sprayed on herbal smoking products such as 'Spice' and the chemical solvent GBL are two of the so called 'legal highs' to be banned by the end of the year, Home Secretary Alan Johnson announced today.
As part of the government’s commitment to tackle the emerging threat of so called 'legal highs', a new information campaign to educate young people on the dangers of a range of these substances was also announced today. The campaign, which will launch during the traditional student Freshers’ week in September, will highlight their dangers, particularly when they are mixed with alcohol.
Following public consultation on the options for the control of GBL under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 and advice from the ACMD, the following substances will be banned, subject to parliamentary approval:
  • Chemical solvent - GBL (Gamma-Butyrolactone) and a like chemical – which are converted in to the Class C drug GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyrate) in the body and often used as 'club drugs'. They will be controlled as Class C drugs and banned when intended for human consumption
  • Synthetic cannabinoids - man-made chemicals sprayed on herbal smoking products such as 'Spice', which act on the body in a similar way to cannabis but can be far more potent, will be controlled as a Class B drug alongside cannabis
  • BZP (Benzylpiperazine) and related piperazines, which are stimulants taken as an alternative to amphetamine, will be controlled as Class C drugs.
Home Secretary Alan Johnson said, 'There is a perception that many of the so called 'legal highs' are harmless, however in some cases people can be ingesting dangerous industrial fluids or smoking chemicals that can be even more harmful than cannabis.
'Legal highs are an emerging threat, particularly to young people, and we have a duty to educate them about the dangers. That’s why we are also launching a campaign in September to highlight the risks.'
The Chair of the ACMD, Professor David Nutt said, 'We welcome the government’s decision to accept our advice and bring GBL; BZP; 1,4-butanediol; synthetic cannabinoids and 24 anabolic steroids within the Misuse of Drugs Act.
'We made these recommendations as it is important to highlight that these are in fact dangerous drugs, especially when mixed with alcohol.
'The ACMD are continuing work on other 'legal highs' and will provide recommendations on separate drugs throughout the year, based on prevalence and harms.'
In addition, a further 24 anabolic steroids, testosterone-like products often used by sports people and increasingly being used by the general public to enhance physique and strength, and two growth promoters will be added to the list of steroids already controlled as Class C drugs. Finally, although there is no evidence of misuse in the UK but in accordance with our obligations under the UN Conventions, we will also seek to control the precursor Oripvaine as a Class C drug

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  • [2,3–Dihydro–5–methyl–3–(4–morpholinylmethyl)pyrrol o[1, 2, 3–de]–1,4–benzoxazin–6–yl]–1–naphthalenylmethanone.3–Dimethylheptyl–11–hydro xyhexahydrocannabinol.
  • [9–Hydroxy–6–methyl–3–[5–phenylpentan–2–yl] oxy–5, 6, 6a, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10a–octahydrophenanthridin–1–yl] acetate.
  • 9-(Hydroxymethyl)–6, 6–dimethyl–3–(2–methyloctan–2–yl)–6a, 7, 10, 10a–tetrahydrobenzo[c]chromen–1–ol.Nabilone.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 3–(1–naphthoyl)indole or 1H–indol–3–yl–(1–naphthyl)methane by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.Any compound structurally derived from 3–(1–naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 1–(1–naphthylmethyl)indene by substitution at the 3–position of the indene ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 3–phenylacetylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring with alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the phenyl ring to any extent.
  • Any compound structurally derived from 2–(3–hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol by substitution at the 5–position of the phenolic ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.”;
This covers practically any cannabinoid possible.
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

That'll be because Dr. Les King knows his stuff. At least that's the impression I've had from Prof. Nutt over the last few days it was basically Dr. King who largely dealt with the cannabinoid side of this stuff.
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The campaign, which will launch during the traditional student Freshers’ week in September, will highlight their dangers, particularly when they are mixed with alcohol.

That's ironic and ignorant if they are referring to marijuana/cannabinoids, as alcohol's toxicity has been shown to be mitigated when used in conjunction with marijuana (cannabinoids). Maybe they should be going on a campaign suggesting that if people insist on drinking alcohol, that they use cannabinoids simultaneously so as to prevent brain cell death from the alcohol.


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The researchers wrote that brain white matter tracts were "more coherent in adolescents who binge drink and use marijuana than in adolescents who report only binge drinking." They said it's "possible that marijuana may have some neuroprotective properties in mitigating alcohol-related oxidative stress or excitotoxic cell death."

The study appears in the current issue of the journal Neurotoxicology and Teratology.

"This study suggests that not only is marijuana safer than alcohol, it may actually protect against some of the damage that booze causes," Steve Fox, director of state campaigns for the Marijuana Policy Project, said in a news release from the project.

"It's far better for teens not to drink or smoke marijuana, but our nation's leaders send a dangerous message by defending laws that encourage the use of alcohol over marijuana," he added.
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

Its madness all this hysteria,surely now more people will take these drugs before they are banned and also try the ones that arnt banned,then more idiots will try and one up their mate and take a bunch of something and die all because they had heard about how "bad" the drugs are and wanted to see for themselves.Swim wouldnt have ever taken any "legal highs" if it wasnt for the fact he found out about them in the media (he lives in the country).Now he has taken Mephedrone,Butylone,Methylone and salvia,none of which he had heard of before.Thankfully swim has some sense and knows his limits.There needs to be a different way of thinking,at least if they are legal the govt could impose some sort of conditions and monitering system or something similar, instead they ban them and drive them underground and we all know what goes on there.
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The UK needs a Class D, similar to what New Zealand has. Drugs that can be sold under various restrictions, like age, advertising, labelling, dose, etc.
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The UK needs a Class D, similar to what New Zealand has. Drugs that can be sold under various restrictions, like age, advertising, labelling, dose, etc.
Anyone know if this is the same in Australia? It was my understanding the two had a trade agreement- basically anything legal for sale in one was legal in the other.
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

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Anyone know if this is the same in Australia? It was my understanding the two had a trade agreement- basically anything legal for sale in one was legal in the other.
No, only NZ has a Class D. Australia are generally pretty quick to just ban.
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Re: DEC 23rd- UK Ban on GBL, Cannabanoids,other legal highs

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They forgot one GHB precursors, no?
2(3H)-Furanone di-hydro, less popular. For the moment.
What's the CAS number of the chemical you are refering to? I think that's a synonym for GBL, right?
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

Yes you're right it is.
The CAS number is 96-48-0.
Molecular formula C4H6O2. => GBL

Mea culpa.

I know a guy who know a guy who buy some stuff with "2(3H)-Furanone-dihydro salt" on the package...and i'm thiking to 2(3H)-Furanone di-hydro because of google's first entry. Next time i will go to the library...
Like an asshole i spread some misinformation.

Check the CAS number, always...

Sorry again.

To avoid this kind of post on the futur, i will copy 200 times all the GBL terms/synonyms:

1,2-Butanolide, 1,4-Butanolide, 1,4-Butyrolactone, 1,4-Lactone, 187997-16-6, 1-Oxacyclopentane-2-one, 2(3H)-Furanone, dihydro-, 2-Oxolanone, 2-Oxotetrahydrofuran, 3-Hydroxybutyric acid lactone, 4-Butanolide, 4-Butyrolactone, 4-Deoxytetronic acid, 4-Hydroxybutanoic acid, .gamma.-lactone, 4-Hydroxybutanoic acid lactone, 4-Hydroxybutyric acid, .gamma.-lactone, 4-Hydroxybutyric acid, gamma-lactone, 4-Hydroxybutyric acid lactone, 96-48-0, Agrisynth BLO, AI3-28121, .alpha.-Butyrolactone, alpha-Butyrolactone, B103608_ALDRICH, BLO, BLON, Butanoic acid, 4-hydroxy-, .gamma.-lactone, Butanoic acid, 4-hydroxy-, gamma-lactone, BUTANOIC ACID,4-HYDROXY,LACTONE GAMMA-BUTYROLACTONE, Butyric acid, 4-hydroxy-, .gamma.-lactone, Butyric acid, 4-hydroxy-, gamma-lactone, Butyric acid lactone, butyrl lactone, BUTYROLACTONE, Butyrylactone, Butyryl lactone, c0033, C01770, C-1070, C4H6O2, Caswell No. 132B, CCRIS 2924, CHEBI:42639, DB04699, Dihydro-2(3H)-furanone, Dihydro-2-furanone, dihydrofuran-2(3H)-one, Dihyro-2-furanone, EINECS 202-509-5, EPA Pesticide Chemical Code 122303, FEMA No. 3291, .gamma.-6480, gamma-6480, .gamma.-BL, gamma BL, gamma-BL, gamma-Butanolactone, .gamma.-Butyrolactone, gamma-Butyrolactone, gamma-Butyrolactone (natural), gamm a-hydroxybutyric acid cyclic ester, .gamma.-Hydroxybutyric acid cyclic ester, gamma-Hydroxybutyric Acid cyclic ester, .gamma.-Hydroxybutyric acid lactone, gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid lactone, .gamma.-Hydroxybutyrolactone, gamma-Hydroxybutyrolactone, Gamma-Lactone 4-hydroxy-butanoic acid, Gamma-Lactone 4-hydroxybutanoic acid, Gamma-Lactone 4-hydroxy-butyric acid, Gamma-Lactone 4-hydroxybutyric acid, GBL, HSDB 4290, Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone, LS-2010, NCI-C55878, No Go, NSC4592, NSC 4592, oxolan-2-one, sigma-Butyrolactone, Tetrahydro-2-furanone, Tetrahydro-2-Furanone Dihydro-2(3H)-Furanone, tetrahydrofuran-2-one, W329118_ALDRICH, WLN: T5OVTJ, ZINC04658567

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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

it seemed that all the banning too quite a long time...
how long (fastest way possible) could it take to ban another group of chems (e.g.ketons)? is it a question of months or weeks? I mean if there is some legal limit - could they for example impose another ban till the end of the year if they are in rush to "save poor people from eveil drug meph"? or is there some legal procedure that lasts for exact time which they have to follow?
swim loves meph and m1 very very much and is very afraid of the ban. So the question is how long it takes from first official information about decision to ban them before they actually ban them?
with glb and bzp it took very long time, which gave people enough time to stock up. swim hopers it will be the same case with ketons. swim is not from the UK, so she does know anything about local law. thanks for any info.
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

it takes no additional legislation to add things to the list of substances on the misuse of drugs act, so in theory they could tag mepehdrone on to the current additions if they felt like it. but it would only ban the particular substance. they are supposedly waiting on a report from the ACMD on cathinone based substances so there won't be anything done until then. also they would probably want to draw up a wording that takes into account the most possible things so it would take a while for that to be worked out. also there's going to be an election in the UK next year, at the latest may, so that could have a delaying effect on things too.
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

Yes SWIM agrees shadowchaser. SWIM believes it is very likely they will try and look at the cathinones rather than just mephedrone, similiar what they've done to the cannabinoids. The EMCDDA has been looking at theses kind of substances from at least NOV 2008 according to their early warning system reports. SWIM feels that timescale will probably be 6 moths to a year for the reasons that Shadowchaser mentions. The government are just not getting it though eh? Are they learning nothing from GHB/GBL trends? Apparently not...
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Re: (Analog) ban on GBL, Cannabinoids, Piperazines, other legal highs

can some swiy please explain what this is and it's use please as they have utfse and only mention is this thread swim would of thought if it was a wide used precursor it would be mentioned on hear.
"seek to control the precursor Oripvaine as a Class C drug"
also motion to amend the the miss use of drugs act 1971, will have to go before parliament both commons and the lord's but it will pass quickly as it is unlikely any one would vote against it, we have all seen how the government hear treat there drug advisor. if they did listen to the guy they maybe would cotton onto other things a lot quicker and ban them too. like the bk's which for the time being we will still have. or write catch all legislation like they did with tryptamines' and Phenethylamines' swim thinks the main problem with these chemicals is all the media attention they have been given in a very short space of time and the deaths related to gbl plus the realization that spice is not just a herbal high but full of chemicals. also swim feels if it had not been for the channel islands being rife with these products as they where being abused more than illegal drugs there but with phone delivery service like ordering a take away but to get high. that the mainland gov would not of been so quick of the mark as they don't cause so many apparent problems in the larger population of the mainland but in the small population of channel islands lots of the population where using them so abuse and problems showed up quicker. also we all no that legislation and laws are ignored all the time which worry's swim that piperazines' will become more popular because of there illegality when swim feels these are horrid chemicals. also the other chemicals will still be available to savie people who know what there looking for and how to get them. the only good thing that may come out of them being controlled is that maybe some genuine research maybe done into effects both good and bad and any benefit's any of them may have to medical or scientific community's may be found. at least swim hopes this will happen.

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