Opinions - Vaping with e-cigarette

[acer0169]

Would it be possible to make a liquid which only contained JWH-018 but was safe to vapourise? SWIM wouldn't want to breathe a load of acetone vapour in for example.. there must be a safe solution that can be made?

Does anyone know what the base ingredients are for the 'normal' e-liquid? Like what goes into it? Then we could mix up the same ingredients only add 018 instead of nicotine.

SWIM is also not interested in smoking / vapourising any nicotine as he doesn't smoke normally.

[The.KK]

Originally Posted by acer0169

Would it be possible to make a liquid which only contained JWH-018 but was safe to vapourise? SWIM wouldn't want to breathe a load of acetone vapour in for example.. there must be a safe solution that can be made?

Does anyone know what the base ingredients are for the 'normal' e-liquid? Like what goes into it? Then we could mix up the same ingredients only add 018 instead of nicotine.

SWIM is also not interested in smoking / vapourising any nicotine as he doesn't smoke normally.

e-liquid = liquid used for the e-cigs

SWIM believes it is possible to put one dose into a little bit of the pre-made e-liquid and that it will work, regardless if it's soluble or not. But it doesn't answer the question whether it can be stored and controlled (dosage) that way.

SWIY dooes not need to mix his own e-liquid... he can but people only do it to have a better flavor, otherwise they're all basically the same or almost. There are non-nicotine e-liquids available, SWIY could simply add JWH to it. The question is still if it's soluble in the e-liquid, if it is then it's great! If not then someone could possibly dilute the JWH into something that it is soluble in and then mix it with the e-liquid. This might work.

For the composition of the liquid, SWIY should go on wikipedia, search for electronic cigarette and click on the nicotine solution link in the table of contents (SWIM cannot post links lol).

SWIM really wonders if it's soluble in the glycol.

Here's an example why SWIM is wondering about this:

Say someone puts 20mg of the JWH into the cartridge. If it is not soluble in the glycol then the solution will not be homogenous. Therefore while vaping it SWIY might get a 0.5 chuck or suddenly get a 3-5mg chunk... not a very safe method. This is why it would only be possible to mix a single dose if that's the case.

If, however, it is soluble, then for every mL there will be the same amount of JWH. Thus a very controlled and consistent substance, and more than a single dose would be safe to put into a cartridge.

[Tamis]

The solvent for the solution of those e-cigarettes is : Propylene glycol

Propylene glycol is used:

* As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water (same for jwh-018 as far as swim knows), uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.So it seems it could actually work

ps : Propylene Glycol isn't the only substrate it seems...
ps2 : no people.... don't vape diazepam...

[twoiko]

Okay, after reading through some of the e-cig forums I've learned they use mostly Propylene glycol or Vegetable Glycerine. Any (more) info whether any useful substances are soluble in those?

2 has also noticed it's probably going to be difficult to import to Canada as Wiki mentions. 2 is finding it difficult to find reliable cheap e-cigs within Canada unfortunately; most likely because of this.

[The.KK]

Originally Posted by twoiko

Okay, after reading through some of the e-cig forums I've learned they use mostly Propylene glycol or Vegetable Glycerine. Any (more) info whether any useful substances are soluble in those?

2 has also noticed it's probably going to be difficult to import to Canada as Wiki mentions. 2 is finding it difficult to find reliable cheap e-cigs within Canada unfortunately; most likely because of this.

Yea SWIM as warned the guy on the phone now how make it pass through customs better. SWIM knows someone who sell them in canada, so if it doesn't work than SWIMS knows from who to order it again, and faster

[Tamis]

Beware of source discussion

[twoiko]

So 2 has some updates. :3

2 has received 2 e-cigs (Joye 510, 2 heard a lot of good things and cheap prices.) with 5 cartridges that have vanilla flavour originally. He got the package in 5 business days (within country shipping) and has been using it for a couple of days so far. He is very impressed with these little devices.

So 2 did more research and found all the ingredients in any liquid are usually just PG, VG as I said before, but also usually an alcohol like ethanol and flavourings, natural or artificial. There is quite a bit of information on the e-cig forums about this so I won't go into great detail.

2 has bought 99% USP grade Glycerin at the local pharmacy and concentrated food flavourings with the same ingredients as the ones SWIyou would buy online (the ones I listed) from the local grocers (came in 4mL bottles in different flavours including almond, mint, banana, licorice, etc.) these are used as flavouring obviously and the Glycerin is the base, you could also mix in some water if the liquid is too thick for you, and alcohol could be added to give the vapour a bit of kick.

Here's where the fun starts. People add Vodka to their liquids fairy often. Green Dragon, anyone? 2 will also be getting JWH-018 soon and will try to dissolve that into the VG he has. 2 is trying a few more things, firstly he is making an isopropyl extract from stems and shake, he thinks he will put some of that in the mix first. 2 is also trying to dissolve some kief from his herb grinder into the VG or maybe a bit of alcohol?

2 is trying some of them out this weekend and will report back.

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Nice post, look forward to hearing the results